Universal Healthcare?

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    The debate about universal healthcare and so forth, as we all know, has been raging for several years now. To be quite frank, I'm still undecided and conflicted about where I stand on the issue. My question to the members of this forum is this: Is healthcare a right? And by "right," I don't mean the unalienable kind endowed by the creator, as articulated in the Declaration of Independence, but rather the kind defined by the laws of man. What do you think?
     
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    To believe in universal healthcare, you have to believe that someone else has a moral right to the money that I earn. They do not.
     
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    Every person has a universal right to take care of their own health--brush your teeth, eat balanced meals, get plenty of exercise, take a daily shower, get eight hours of sleep each night--nobody has a universal right to have others take care of them, any more than any stranger has a universal right to take money out of your back pocket. If plumbers don't work for free, then what makes anyone believe a medical doctor should work for free.

    Now if a medical doctor, out of Christian compassion or any other type of compassion, wants to help the poor by opening a free clinic--God Bless him or her--but no government should force doctors to work for the government and then ration out health care.
     
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    Perfectly said MC (Shipmate!)!

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    You'd also have to believe that with the way government and the medical-industrial complex are in bed with each other, that somehow there would actually be a workable social healthcare system.

    Sorry, but I can't possibly see that as being the case.
     
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    Is the money that you earn not at least partly enabled by the infrastructure and laws of civilization? Is it not just a little bit disingenuous to view the issue through such a narrow lense, almost in a vacuum even?
     
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    So in other words, you would not only tolerate, but actually champion a world in which a severly wounded accident victim could be denied emergency care simply because he is poor. According to the philosophy you've laid out, I guess you must think the poor already have it too good since this would likely never happen. Duly noted.
     
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    Not the question, but thanks for your participation.
     
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    Most of that infrastructure and "laws of civilization" are not paid for with federal income taxes to begin with, and don't need income taxes at all.

    You're either a socialist, who believe they have a moral right to the money that I earn, or you're a classical liberal, who believe that only I have a moral right to the money I earn.

    To suggest that a moral, just, fair and civilized society could not be achieved without an income tax is ignorant of both history and economics.
     
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    What if you can’t afford a toothbrush or toothpaste? What if you can’t afford food or water? What if you are struggling with 2 jobs and don’t have time to sleep 8 hours each night?

    What if you are severely mentally restarted and physically handicapped and don’t know what it means to take care of yourself?
     

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