Unbelievable-The high cost of health care

Did you ever notice that the markets which experience the highest inflation rates are those most controlled by government? Education, healthcare...costs through the roof compared to other industries. I thought government got involved in these businesses to keep costs down for the little guy. Guess not.

No! That is not true. Traditionally government control is LESS costs because they dont operate at a profit. Employees get paid better to.

Totally wrong. In almost every case, government costs far more than the private sector. Government is a monopoly that gets paid whether the customer is satisfied or not. When have monopolies ever produced a product at a lower price?

Now when you take government money, and give it to private industry you can expect nothing then this sort of thing. Just like Halliburton charging 80$ to wash a duffel bag of laundry on cost plus contracts.

Only the government gives cost-plus contracts. Your example of the private sector is a government contract?

The American people are being sold down the river for crony capitalism. Now were mortgaging our children to continue to pay for it. Where does the insanity end??

It begins at the Whitehouse.
 
Shamass...you've long been on my ignore list. Stop trying...you're embarrassing yourself, I'm sure, because you always do.
 
Did you ever notice that the markets which experience the highest inflation rates are those most controlled by government? Education, healthcare...costs through the roof compared to other industries. I thought government got involved in these businesses to keep costs down for the little guy. Guess not.
Removing government from healthcare would stop the rising costs because the bottom 20% would not be able to afford it. Less demand would mean lower prices but that also would mean less incentive to develop new technologies and a less healthy nation.
 
Removing government from healthcare would stop the rising costs because the bottom 20% would not be able to afford it. Less demand would mean lower prices but that also would mean less incentive to develop new technologies and a less healthy nation.


The history of the electronics industry certainly proves that contention . . . . . . . . . oh, wait . . . no it doesn't.
 
Corporate Liberals cant keep there hands to themselves. Always looking to the government for a handout. This time its in the form of a penis pump. Touted as erectile dysfunction treatment and running on fox tv late night commercials. No price is given, but I bet it costs a hell of a lot more then the one you can get at your porn store for 14.99.

Hey, and guess what folks! Its covered by medicare and 'requires no cost to you', also covered by most insurances.

While this is exceptionally blatant this sort of thing is very common in our economy. I bet the guy that owns this company says he deserves his money cause he 'earned it'.

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My business helps Legitimate Medicare providers 18,000 times a day find out if their patients are eligible for Medicare and as a result I have a very good awareness of Medicare and would like to share some FACTS people don't know regarding Medicare and finances.

1) I have access to a database of any hospital you might be interested in as to what Medicare PAYS for outpatient claims.
(Medicare Provider Analysis and Review (MEDPAR))
For example a Florida hospital Bay Medical
sent 1,557 claims each @ $2,821 marked up of 3,716% from $78!
WHY because of EMTALA... Look it up and see what "good intentions" by Congress in 1986 CAUSED this in some cases 6,000% mark up!

2) Medicare does NOT process ONE of the 1 billion yearly claims!
9 "for profit companies--most Blue Cross companies process the claims!

3) Medicare/private Insurance PAY for the $600 billion in defensive medicine
and therefore WE all pay for it!

4) Insurance companies pays out of premiums over 80% just in claims!
Absolutely LIES about lavish executive pays and HIGH (4%???)
greedy profits by health insurance companies!


These and other totally inaccurate assumptions made by general public are atrocious and sadly the basis for BAD decisions.. i.e. OBAMACARE!
Too late.

Wendell Potter
has (already) blown your scam outta-the-water!!!

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBFKkXDSKWw]Wendell Potter - Former Communications VP for CIGNA - YouTube[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf7OaeOg1Jc]Wendell Potter in VA Beach: Health care law "already saving the lives of millions" - YouTube[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJegh9G_xk0]Sen. Max Baucus on Health care Keith Olbermann - YouTube[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHK_OYjUvjA]Wendell Potter on Health care Bill Keith Olbermann - YouTube[/ame]​

TWO POINTS!
Potter evidently doesn't know as much as I do about Medicare i.e.
1) Medicare DOES NOT process one Claim!
That 2% figure is WHAT the 4,500 Medicare employees share of the total budget! BUT here are the NINE contractors that Process All the claims and they contracted with Medicare for lowest bid!


Cahaba Government Benefit Administrators
First Coast Service Options, Inc.
Highmark Medicare Services
National Government Services, Inc.
National Heritage Insurance Corporation
Noridian Administrative Services
Palmetto GBA
TrailBlazer Health Enterprises
Wisconsin Physicians Health Insurance Corp.

Medicare Spent $523 billion in 2010
of which paid out $516 billion in benefits
leaving administration costs of:$ 7 billion.
BUT total income was ONLY $486 billion meaning MEDICARE borrowed
$37 billion to meet expenditures!
NO BUSINESS much less health insurance companies would stay in business!

EXCEPT Medicare doesn't CARE!!!

NOW Medicare as I said didn't pay a single CLAIM.. the above companies did!



https://www.cms.gov/ReportsTrustFunds/downloads/tr2011.pdf
 
Did you ever notice that the markets which experience the highest inflation rates are those most controlled by government? Education, healthcare...costs through the roof compared to other industries. I thought government got involved in these businesses to keep costs down for the little guy. Guess not.
Removing government from healthcare would stop the rising costs because the bottom 20% would not be able to afford it. Less demand would mean lower prices but that also would mean less incentive to develop new technologies and a less healthy nation.

I disagree. Removing government from healthcare would attract massive amounts of capital into the market, capital that finds its way elsewhere today, where less meddling is involved. The only investment in healthcare today comes to those giant crony corporations that already have politicians in their back pocket. I deal with investment bankers and other investors every day. Burdensome regulations and ever increasing government control is one reason why capital is sitting on the sidelines. Further, the bottom 20% are not creating demand, not when the money to pay for them comes from regular paying customers, who now have less to spend. You can't take money out of a market, run it through a government bureaucracy, redistribute it and then call it 'increased demand' or 'stimulus'. Capital doesn't work that way.

The fact remains that those markets where government is most present see prices rising far more than the average rate of inflation. The opposite is also true. Where there is little government meddling and cronyism, competition keeps prices in check. Do you deny that education and healthcare have seen massive price increases? Do you believe it is a coincidence that those are the two markets where government is most involved? I don't believe in coincidences.
 
Man,

I thought the whole penis pump thing would get real funny real fast.

But, as usual, the thread reverts to the old standbys.

Proabably better that way.
 
Did you ever notice that the markets which experience the highest inflation rates are those most controlled by government? Education, healthcare...costs through the roof compared to other industries. I thought government got involved in these businesses to keep costs down for the little guy. Guess not.

No! That is not true. Traditionally government control is LESS costs because they dont operate at a profit. Employees get paid better to.

Now when you take government money, and give it to private industry you can expect nothing then this sort of thing. Just like Halliburton charging 80$ to wash a duffel bag of laundry on cost plus contracts.

The American people are being sold down the river for crony capitalism. Now were mortgaging our children to continue to pay for it. Where does the insanity end??

The fact remains, where government meddles, prices skyrocket. Whether that is due to government waste and corruption or that of their crony partners matters little to those of us watching our tax dollars go down the drain. You cannot separate the cronyism/fascism from government meddling unless you're advocating COMPLETE government control...and we know how well that has worked in the past. The point is, when government meddles in business, we see the exact opposite effect from what the central planners claim to be their motivation for meddling. Unless you have magic beans in your pocket, your not going to force businesses to not take advantage of government handouts. Where does the insanity end? It ends when we limit government involvement in markets...just like the Constitution demands.

It always makes me happy when I find another person that understands the solutions are simple and right in front of our faces. Its to bad alot of people are making huge profits with the current status quo.

But people are waking up. This is a country by the people and for the people, not by the people and for corporate power.
 
No! That is not true. Traditionally government control is LESS costs because they dont operate at a profit. Employees get paid better to.

Now when you take government money, and give it to private industry you can expect nothing then this sort of thing. Just like Halliburton charging 80$ to wash a duffel bag of laundry on cost plus contracts.

The American people are being sold down the river for crony capitalism. Now were mortgaging our children to continue to pay for it. Where does the insanity end??

The fact remains, where government meddles, prices skyrocket.
Yeah.....that's the problem.....


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If that is not the problem then what is? Normally I either agree with you, or atleast agree on the problem if not the solution.

Please explain yourself.
 
It always makes me happy when I find another person that understands the solutions are simple and right in front of our faces. Its to bad alot of people are making huge profits with the current status quo.

But people are waking up. This is a country by the people and for the people, not by the people and for corporate power.

Not only did you hit the nail on the head, you drove it right through the 2X4 !

I keep asking how the rich got so rich when the free market says, in effect, they can't exist (and certainly not like they do today). The only answer is that they have protected markets with huge barriers to entry thrown up by......the government.

A doctor friend of mine said that he and about 10 others thought about starting their own little insurance firm. He said the financials didn't look all that great, but they felt it could be grown. But the cost of getting into the business was stupidly huge due to all the red tape and you really could not figure out what was important and what wasn't.

Why do you think so many legislators and government workers become lobbyists ? Because they know the system.

But the left whines about NEEDING more regulation and yet complains about lobbyists and large corporations. I keep wondering when they will extract their heads from unatural places and figure out they are helping to keep the wealthy just that way.

Thier answer...tax them....only we (the middle class get ripped in the process).
 
Corporate Liberals cant keep there hands to themselves. Always looking to the government for a handout. This time its in the form of a penis pump. Touted as erectile dysfunction treatment and running on fox tv late night commercials. No price is given, but I bet it costs a hell of a lot more then the one you can get at your porn store for 14.99.

Hey, and guess what folks! Its covered by medicare and 'requires no cost to you', also covered by most insurances.

While this is exceptionally blatant this sort of thing is very common in our economy. I bet the guy that owns this company says he deserves his money cause he 'earned it'.

Erectile Dysfunction & Male Impotence - Vacuum Therapy Treatment & Solutions

Amazon.com: Precision Penis Pump with Enhancer Ring Tinted Cylinder: Health & Personal Care


My business helps Legitimate Medicare providers 18,000 times a day find out if their patients are eligible for Medicare and as a result I have a very good awareness of Medicare and would like to share some FACTS people don't know regarding Medicare and finances.

1) I have access to a database of any hospital you might be interested in as to what Medicare PAYS for outpatient claims.
(Medicare Provider Analysis and Review (MEDPAR))
For example a Florida hospital Bay Medical
sent 1,557 claims each @ $2,821 marked up of 3,716% from $78!
WHY because of EMTALA... Look it up and see what "good intentions" by Congress in 1986 CAUSED this in some cases 6,000% mark up!

2) Medicare does NOT process ONE of the 1 billion yearly claims!
9 "for profit companies--most Blue Cross companies process the claims!

3) Medicare/private Insurance PAY for the $600 billion in defensive medicine
and therefore WE all pay for it!

4) Insurance companies pays out of premiums over 80% just in claims!
Absolutely LIES about lavish executive pays and HIGH (4%???)
greedy profits by health insurance companies!


These and other totally inaccurate assumptions made by general public are atrocious and sadly the basis for BAD decisions.. i.e. OBAMACARE!

Thank you for your input. I agree that it is not all insurance companies faults. SO MANY corporations have fingers in the pie.

What gripes me the most is the whole 'personnel responsibility' mantra from the corporate liberals. While I agree that there are degenerates who refuse to strive for success, I find it appalling the choices that we as a country make.

We think its okay to spend trillions of dollars on useless wars to expand the empire and secure resources for the profits of our corporations, but we cant abolish taxes on small/micro business.

We think its okay to spend billions on a prison economy, but we dont want to spend a dime addressing the issues causing the crime.

This list goes on and on.
 
It always makes me happy when I find another person that understands the solutions are simple and right in front of our faces. Its to bad alot of people are making huge profits with the current status quo.

But people are waking up. This is a country by the people and for the people, not by the people and for corporate power.

Not only did you hit the nail on the head, you drove it right through the 2X4 !

I keep asking how the rich got so rich when the free market says, in effect, they can't exist (and certainly not like they do today). The only answer is that they have protected markets with huge barriers to entry thrown up by......the government.

A doctor friend of mine said that he and about 10 others thought about starting their own little insurance firm. He said the financials didn't look all that great, but they felt it could be grown. But the cost of getting into the business was stupidly huge due to all the red tape and you really could not figure out what was important and what wasn't.

Why do you think so many legislators and government workers become lobbyists ? Because they know the system.

But the left whines about NEEDING more regulation and yet complains about lobbyists and large corporations. I keep wondering when they will extract their heads from unatural places and figure out they are helping to keep the wealthy just that way.

Thier answer...tax them....only we (the middle class get ripped in the process).

There is good regulation, and there is bad regulation. As a guy who opened a small business, and the promptly closed it a year later I can attest to that. I can also attest to regulations destroying small/micro business. Most regulation I have come across in business I have researched before entering serve 2 purposes. 1) is to increase the barriers of entry and limit competition 2) is to make sure the state/feds get every dime from the owner they can.

I dont think anyone wants to do away with regulation that keeps say a paper mill from dumping pollutants in a river, or a manufacturer of kids toys to use lead paint, but this is insane. The barriers to entry need to GO. Mandates from government needlessly jacking up the costs of doing business must GO.

Tax codes for business is stupid to. When I was shopping for a location I was told three times to kick rocks when I tried to negotiate down the obscene high prices for commercial real estate. The response was always the same 'why should I negotiate on the price when if it sits empty its a tax write off?' In a free market the landlords would want every unit rented, and they would be willing to negotiate/lower the rent as more become vacant. Look around your city, they have no reason to follow market demands!
 
TWO POINTS!
Potter evidently doesn't know as much as I do about Medicare i.e.
1) Medicare DOES NOT process one Claim!
That 2% figure is WHAT the 4,500 Medicare employees share of the total budget! BUT here are the NINE contractors that Process All the claims and they contracted with Medicare for lowest bid!


Cahaba Government Benefit Administrators
First Coast Service Options, Inc.
Highmark Medicare Services
National Government Services, Inc.
National Heritage Insurance Corporation
Noridian Administrative Services
Palmetto GBA
TrailBlazer Health Enterprises
Wisconsin Physicians Health Insurance Corp.

Medicare Spent $523 billion in 2010
of which paid out $516 billion in benefits
leaving administration costs of:$ 7 billion.
BUT total income was ONLY $486 billion meaning MEDICARE borrowed
$37 billion to meet expenditures!
NO BUSINESS much less health insurance companies would stay in business!

EXCEPT Medicare doesn't CARE!!!

NOW Medicare as I said didn't pay a single CLAIM.. the above companies did!



https://www.cms.gov/ReportsTrustFunds/downloads/tr2011.pdf

Medicare goes into the red because unlike the private sector, Medicare can not raise premiums just because the cost of paying benefits increased. 2012 is the first year since the recession began that part b premiums increased even thou medical costs have risen and the number of people covered under Medicare has increased. Medicare payroll tax have been 2.9% since 1986 while health care cost have increased more 300%. For Medicare to be fiscally sound it must increase revenues to meet expenses or cut benefits. There is no other option.
 
Now when you take government money, and give it to private industry you can expect nothing then this sort of thing. Just like Halliburton charging 80$ to wash a duffel bag of laundry on cost plus contracts.

Are we to understand you're suggesting Medicare overpays for goods and services?
 
For Medicare to be fiscally sound it must increase revenues to meet expenses or cut benefits. There is no other option.[/B]

So let's start cutting benefits.

Show me the way.
We could start providing much better healthcare at a much lower cost as is done in most developed countries. The United States spends more on medical care per person than any country, yet life expectancy is shorter than in most other developed nations and many developing ones. The U.S. has a fee-for-service system—paying medical providers piecemeal for appointments, surgery, and the like. That can lead to unneeded treatment that doesn’t reliably improve a patient’s health.
 
For Medicare to be fiscally sound it must increase revenues to meet expenses or cut benefits. There is no other option.[/B]

So let's start cutting benefits.

Show me the way.

They should be abolished entirely for everyone except for the disabled is what I say. If this was a free market then private enterprise would be able to provide services to consumers at a cost that they could afford. There would actually be competition for customers instead of a hand always being held out to government, or to the insurance companies.
 

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