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Christian armies, but not the Christian Church. The Pope protested the attacks fervently, but nobody was listening. Many atrocities committed by Christians similarly lacked endorsement by the Catholic Church. Ultimately we paid the price when Constantinople fell to Islam.The funny thing is, the more we deal with Muslims, the more sense the Crusades make. Soon it will be abundantly clear the time has arrived to BRING OUT THE HOLY HAND GRENADE.Here we go!Frankly.... Islamic barbarians are even worse than Middle ages savages!
In the Dark Ages, bad as they were back then, they used to put a chastity belt on the women.... they didn't mutilate those poor souls.
What a scourge in the world these monsters are!
Are you really this ignorant about Western History?
Good 'Christians' did all sorts of mutilations on people in the Middle Ages and beyond.
Tongues being ripped out, hands and feet chopped off, eyes gouged out. People burned to death.
So much more 'civilized'........
BUT THE CRUSADES!!!!!
Yep- the Crusaders sacking Constantinople sure made sense........Christians killing Christians.........that showed those Muslims!
Piss on you and your shitty religion, Achmed. When Christians finally have had enough, there won't be anywhere in the world where a Muslim man can hide, much less abuse his women.#1) It's not mutilation. It's circumcision. The jews have been performing it on males for thousands of year.
#2) It's none of the UN's business what people in other countries do within their own culture and borders.
#3) The globalist's controlled western nation's need to get a life and quit bothering people. .....
Lip service is not helping anything.No...Because the effort is futile.I once talked to a Somali woman about female circumcision. (99.9% of Somali girls have the procedure performed on them)
She said her father didn't want her and her sister to have the surgery. So her mother waited until he was at work one day, and took the daughter's to the doctor and had it done.
Like I said, it's the women who insist their daughters have the surgery. In fact, mother's who live in western countries, will schedule a vacation with their children and go back to their country of origin to visit relatives. And while there have the surgery performed.
Happens all of the time. ......
Isn't it worthwhile to try and change such an awful practice? Maybe the UN can make a big difference, and shouldn't they at least try?
Now, if people of a culture that decide to immigrate to a nation where said practice is illegal, that is another story.
The UN has no business trying to "save people from themselves".
It's better than ignoring the problem.
Your point?.....At the end of the day anything can be outlawed. The issue then is enforcement.You do realize that many women in those countries believe any woman who doesn't have that clitorectomy is unclean, a whore? Including themselves if they haven't had one.
It's never had any purpose except to keep a woman from straying--(Jesus, these Muslims are so paranoid about their women jumping the fence!) and it's truly sad, but when you make it illegal, as it is in the U.S., women will take their daughters to practitioners in third world countries to perform them or take them to do-it-yourself butchers who make it more dangerous.
My heart goes out to women in such societies, but the U.N. had best change the women's minds first, before outlawing the practice.
Who from the UN is going to enforce any such resolution? Do you see the possibility of anything but remote of such enforcement?
The people subject here are not of civilized modern societies
Who knows what the world will look like in 2030?
Start of WHAT?"The UN Calls for".....That carries as much weight as Thoroughbred race horse under a 10 pound bug Boy
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Yea probably, but it's a start.
No...I am merely pointing out the inaccuracy of the OP....That female circumcision is a religious practice limited to Muslims. It is not.Does that make it better you think it's not a religious rite?The majority of Muslim domonated nations practice this. However. it is not religious rite. It is a cultural practice.The United Nations in February 2016 has taken swift and firm action, asking Muslims to stop sexually mutilating women by 2030. No doubt Muslims will not add to the 200 million women alive today who have been mutilated now.
Aloha Snackbar!
International Day of Zero Tolerance for Female Genital Mutilation, 6 February
Why do you only care when Muslims sexually mutilate women?
In each individual nation. yes. The UN as some mistakenly believe, has no such enforcement powers, Nor does the UN have legislative powers within a sovereign nation.At the end of the day anything can be outlawed. The issue then is enforcement.You do realize that many women in those countries believe any woman who doesn't have that clitorectomy is unclean, a whore? Including themselves if they haven't had one.
It's never had any purpose except to keep a woman from straying--(Jesus, these Muslims are so paranoid about their women jumping the fence!) and it's truly sad, but when you make it illegal, as it is in the U.S., women will take their daughters to practitioners in third world countries to perform them or take them to do-it-yourself butchers who make it more dangerous.
My heart goes out to women in such societies, but the U.N. had best change the women's minds first, before outlawing the practice.
Who from the UN is going to enforce any such resolution? Do you see the possibility of anything but remote of such enforcement?
The people subject here are not of civilized modern societies
Countries have outlawed the practice. And with the outlawing of the practice comes a reduction of the practice.
Frankly it depends on the effort that the government puts into preventing it from happening.
You and I are on opposite sides of the political aisle. However, on this point I find myself in complete agreement with your above assessment.Islamic practice.To my knowledge female circumcision is not religious ritual. It is a cultural practice.The United Nations in February 2016 has taken swift and firm action, asking Muslims to stop sexually mutilating women by 2030. No doubt Muslims will not add to the 200 million women alive today who have been mutilated now.
Aloha Snackbar!
International Day of Zero Tolerance for Female Genital Mutilation, 6 February
The theory is that a woman who is circumsized will not feel pleasure during sex and thus will be less likely to cheat on her husband.
In some middle Eastern and South Asian Cultures, a woman is is viewed as "promiscuous" ( their perception on this is archaic) can and does bring shame to her family.
Western cultures view this as barbaric.
I still wonder why it is that you only object to female circumcision when it is an 'Islamic practice'.
UNICEF reported in 2013 that, for example, 55 percent of Christian women and girls in Niger had experienced FGM, compared with two percent of their Muslim counterparts.[102] The only Jewish group known to have practised it are the Beta Israel of Ethiopia. Judaism requires male circumcision, but does not allow FGM.[103] FGM is also practised by animist groups, particularly in Guinea and Mali.[2]:175
Ok....I once saw this issue discussed in of all arenas an episode of Law and Order.So why would you remove a clitoris?
Your point?.....At the end of the day anything can be outlawed. The issue then is enforcement.You do realize that many women in those countries believe any woman who doesn't have that clitorectomy is unclean, a whore? Including themselves if they haven't had one.
It's never had any purpose except to keep a woman from straying--(Jesus, these Muslims are so paranoid about their women jumping the fence!) and it's truly sad, but when you make it illegal, as it is in the U.S., women will take their daughters to practitioners in third world countries to perform them or take them to do-it-yourself butchers who make it more dangerous.
My heart goes out to women in such societies, but the U.N. had best change the women's minds first, before outlawing the practice.
Who from the UN is going to enforce any such resolution? Do you see the possibility of anything but remote of such enforcement?
The people subject here are not of civilized modern societies
Who knows what the world will look like in 2030?
"Who's to say" is NOT an acceptable response to anything.
Start of WHAT?"The UN Calls for".....That carries as much weight as Thoroughbred race horse under a 10 pound bug Boy
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Yea probably, but it's a start.
Lip service is not helping anything.It's better than ignoring the problem.
At the end of the day all we can do in our civilized nations is to make sure the practice is outlawed and close monitoring of immigrants who do have a cultural propensity to practice this. THAT is doing something to stop it...HERE. where it IS our business.
If you think some UN bureaucrat blowing sunshine up everyone's ass is going to put a stop to thousands of years of cultural practice, you're nuts.
Do you think muslims care about the UN and what they want? .....Would you prefer the UN does nothing?
It is such a glaring abuse and atrocity, putting a spotlight on it is welcome.
In each individual nation. yes. The UN as some mistakenly believe, has no such enforcement powers, Nor does the UN have legislative powers within a sovereign nation.Countries have outlawed the practice. And with the outlawing of the practice comes a reduction of the practice.
Frankly it depends on the effort that the government puts into preventing it from happening.
And again, even if a third world nation outlaws the practice, the point is moot if there is no education and no change in cultural mores.
Do you think muslims care about the UN and what they want? .....Would you prefer the UN does nothing?
It is such a glaring abuse and atrocity, putting a spotlight on it is welcome.
UN has no pressure to change anything. .....Pressure and caring aren't exactly the same.
UN has no pressure to change anything. .....Pressure and caring aren't exactly the same.
nothingUN has no pressure to change anything. .....Pressure and caring aren't exactly the same.
The pressure has been applied and is what it is.
nothingThe pressure has been applied and is what it is.
