UK Power grid given just a 5% chance of not failing in January.

[Billy_Bob]

UK Power grid given just a 5% chance of not failing in January. As they scramble from the ECO Nutters cuts in Coal fired Generation the power grids in the UK are so close to totall failure that the managers are scared to death of the death toll should it fail.

Emergency measures to prevent blackouts this winter have been unveiled by National Grid after Britain’s spare power capacity fell to just 4 per cent.

A series of power plant breakdowns and closures have left the safety buffer between maximum supply and peak demand in a typical cold spell at the tightest level for seven years, National Grid said.

It is now finalising deals with three energy companies to pay them to each keep a power station in reserve – guaranteeing the plants are available to fire up if needed.

Things across the pond are now becoming life and death and all due to the alarmist crowd and their unrealistic crap policies. IF Obama and his cronies in the EPA keep getting their way we will soon face these same challenges from liberal stupidity.

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[Billy_Bob]

They have now taken two coal fired plants and returned them to service this week.... They are scared shitless all the while the eco nutters are crying! Its really funny when reality hit s home and your policies are shown STUPID!

 

[TheOldSchool]

Well this is the stupidest thread ever.

Get back to us in February

 

[Billy_Bob]

The capacity crunch has been predicted for about seven years. Everyone seems to have seen this coming – except the people in charge.
–Andrew Orlowski, The Register, 10 June 2014

National Grid has warned that there has been a significant increase in the risk of electricity shortages and brownouts this winter after fires and faults knocked out a large chunk of Britain’s shrinking power station coverage. The grid operator admitted that in the event of Britain experiencing the coldest snap in 20 years – a 5 per cent chance – then electricity supplies would not be able to meet demand during two weeks in January.
–Tim Webb, The Times, 27 October 2014

The UK government will set out Second World War-style measures to keep the lights on and avert power cuts as a “last resort”. The price to Britons will be high. Factories will be asked to “voluntarily” shut down to save energy at peak times for homes, while others will be paid to provide their own backup power should they have a spare generator or two lying around.
–Andrew Orlowski, The Register, 10 June 2014

 

[Billy_Bob]

Well this is the stupidest thread ever.

Get back to us in February

 

[Old Rocks]

Well now, winter is the windy time in Britain. Should have put up a lot more offshore windmills.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Well this is the stupidest thread ever.

Get back to us in February

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When February comes around and your bullshit has been disproven... what will you do?

 

[Billy_Bob]

And its not just the UK, Germany is in trouble too....
Rudd Istvan writes:

It may not take a harsh winter.

Two older baseload nucs are out of commission at least through year end due to discover of cracking. If they come back on line , likely below full power. Fires in exhaust scrubbers shut down one fossil fuel unit indefinitely, and an adjacent unit for some months. Fire in a forced air cooling tower has partly crippled another. Apparently available dispatchable generation is now 60GW versus average winter peak demand of 58. Wind cannot be counted on here because intermittent so not dispatchable.
The hidden problem is that average peak is not peak peak given statistical variation in things like daily low temps, snowstorms,… Running a national grid without sufficient dispatchable peak reserves (5-6% is the normal absolute minimum) is beyond high risk foolishness. UK is scrambling to cobble up a series of emergency measures including industrial load shedding (shutting factories to keep consumer/voter lights on), bringing standby generators in grid (tricky and requiring retrofit frequency syncing equipment), since most are expressly off grid, intended to back up locally in ‘islanded’ mode (e.g. Key hospital functions) if the grid goes down, and bringing shuttered (coal) plants onto standby status which is very costly- (restaffing, maintenance,… ) And not very dispatchable unless these plants are also placed into spinning reserve status.

Getting less attention is a new set of this winters scenarios for Germany from their national transmission authority. At equal risk of blackouts, due to lack of north south transmission capacity rather than dispatchable generation capacity. There is exactly one major high voltage line. Normally there should be two or three. Nimby has prevented the redundancy from being built, despite growing imbalance in the location of generation capacity between north and south. They built non-dispatchable wind turbines instead.

Politically self inflicted green wounds in both countries. Should make for an educational winter.

 

[TheOldSchool]

And its not just the UK, Germany is in trouble too....
Rudd Istvan writes:

It may not take a harsh winter.

Two older baseload nucs are out of commission at least through year end due to discover of cracking. If they come back on line , likely below full power. Fires in exhaust scrubbers shut down one fossil fuel unit indefinitely, and an adjacent unit for some months. Fire in a forced air cooling tower has partly crippled another. Apparently available dispatchable generation is now 60GW versus average winter peak demand of 58. Wind cannot be counted on here because intermittent so not dispatchable.
The hidden problem is that average peak is not peak peak given statistical variation in things like daily low temps, snowstorms,… Running a national grid without sufficient dispatchable peak reserves (5-6% is the normal absolute minimum) is beyond high risk foolishness. UK is scrambling to cobble up a series of emergency measures including industrial load shedding (shutting factories to keep consumer/voter lights on), bringing standby generators in grid (tricky and requiring retrofit frequency syncing equipment), since most are expressly off grid, intended to back up locally in ‘islanded’ mode (e.g. Key hospital functions) if the grid goes down, and bringing shuttered (coal) plants onto standby status which is very costly- (restaffing, maintenance,… ) And not very dispatchable unless these plants are also placed into spinning reserve status.

Getting less attention is a new set of this winters scenarios for Germany from their national transmission authority. At equal risk of blackouts, due to lack of north south transmission capacity rather than dispatchable generation capacity. There is exactly one major high voltage line. Normally there should be two or three. Nimby has prevented the redundancy from being built, despite growing imbalance in the location of generation capacity between north and south. They built non-dispatchable wind turbines instead.

Politically self inflicted green wounds in both countries. Should make for an educational winter.

^ More bullshit from a moron.

 

[Old Rocks]

OK. Billy Boob, we have your predictions, and in six months we can look back on them and see how they panned out.

 

[Old Rocks]

And its not just the UK, Germany is in trouble too....
Rudd Istvan writes:

It may not take a harsh winter.

Two older baseload nucs are out of commission at least through year end due to discover of cracking. If they come back on line , likely below full power. Fires in exhaust scrubbers shut down one fossil fuel unit indefinitely, and an adjacent unit for some months. Fire in a forced air cooling tower has partly crippled another. Apparently available dispatchable generation is now 60GW versus average winter peak demand of 58. Wind cannot be counted on here because intermittent so not dispatchable.
The hidden problem is that average peak is not peak peak given statistical variation in things like daily low temps, snowstorms,… Running a national grid without sufficient dispatchable peak reserves (5-6% is the normal absolute minimum) is beyond high risk foolishness. UK is scrambling to cobble up a series of emergency measures including industrial load shedding (shutting factories to keep consumer/voter lights on), bringing standby generators in grid (tricky and requiring retrofit frequency syncing equipment), since most are expressly off grid, intended to back up locally in ‘islanded’ mode (e.g. Key hospital functions) if the grid goes down, and bringing shuttered (coal) plants onto standby status which is very costly- (restaffing, maintenance,… ) And not very dispatchable unless these plants are also placed into spinning reserve status.

Getting less attention is a new set of this winters scenarios for Germany from their national transmission authority. At equal risk of blackouts, due to lack of north south transmission capacity rather than dispatchable generation capacity. There is exactly one major high voltage line. Normally there should be two or three. Nimby has prevented the redundancy from being built, despite growing imbalance in the location of generation capacity between north and south. They built non-dispatchable wind turbines instead.

Politically self inflicted green wounds in both countries. Should make for an educational winter.

^ More bullshit from a moron.

You compliment him. He is working hard to upgrade to moron from an imbecile.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Well now, winter is the windy time in Britain. Should have put up a lot more offshore windmills.

They are not reliable nor can they be counted as dispatchable power due to their unreliable status... more metal wasting in the wind...

 

[Billy_Bob]

And its not just the UK, Germany is in trouble too....
Rudd Istvan writes:

It may not take a harsh winter.

Two older baseload nucs are out of commission at least through year end due to discover of cracking. If they come back on line , likely below full power. Fires in exhaust scrubbers shut down one fossil fuel unit indefinitely, and an adjacent unit for some months. Fire in a forced air cooling tower has partly crippled another. Apparently available dispatchable generation is now 60GW versus average winter peak demand of 58. Wind cannot be counted on here because intermittent so not dispatchable.
The hidden problem is that average peak is not peak peak given statistical variation in things like daily low temps, snowstorms,… Running a national grid without sufficient dispatchable peak reserves (5-6% is the normal absolute minimum) is beyond high risk foolishness. UK is scrambling to cobble up a series of emergency measures including industrial load shedding (shutting factories to keep consumer/voter lights on), bringing standby generators in grid (tricky and requiring retrofit frequency syncing equipment), since most are expressly off grid, intended to back up locally in ‘islanded’ mode (e.g. Key hospital functions) if the grid goes down, and bringing shuttered (coal) plants onto standby status which is very costly- (restaffing, maintenance,… ) And not very dispatchable unless these plants are also placed into spinning reserve status.

Getting less attention is a new set of this winters scenarios for Germany from their national transmission authority. At equal risk of blackouts, due to lack of north south transmission capacity rather than dispatchable generation capacity. There is exactly one major high voltage line. Normally there should be two or three. Nimby has prevented the redundancy from being built, despite growing imbalance in the location of generation capacity between north and south. They built non-dispatchable wind turbines instead.

Politically self inflicted green wounds in both countries. Should make for an educational winter.

^ More bullshit from a moron.

You compliment him. He is working hard to upgrade to moron from an imbecile.

OH look an idiot and his brother....

 

[TheOldSchool]

Eh you know what? So maybe the UK's power grid fails in January

I can't express how little I'll care if that happens. Good luck UK. I hope you've stocked up on beans and mash

 

[MisterBeale]

And its not just the UK, Germany is in trouble too....
Rudd Istvan writes:

It may not take a harsh winter.

Two older baseload nucs are out of commission at least through year end due to discover of cracking. If they come back on line , likely below full power. Fires in exhaust scrubbers shut down one fossil fuel unit indefinitely, and an adjacent unit for some months. Fire in a forced air cooling tower has partly crippled another. Apparently available dispatchable generation is now 60GW versus average winter peak demand of 58. Wind cannot be counted on here because intermittent so not dispatchable.
The hidden problem is that average peak is not peak peak given statistical variation in things like daily low temps, snowstorms,… Running a national grid without sufficient dispatchable peak reserves (5-6% is the normal absolute minimum) is beyond high risk foolishness. UK is scrambling to cobble up a series of emergency measures including industrial load shedding (shutting factories to keep consumer/voter lights on), bringing standby generators in grid (tricky and requiring retrofit frequency syncing equipment), since most are expressly off grid, intended to back up locally in ‘islanded’ mode (e.g. Key hospital functions) if the grid goes down, and bringing shuttered (coal) plants onto standby status which is very costly- (restaffing, maintenance,… ) And not very dispatchable unless these plants are also placed into spinning reserve status.

Getting less attention is a new set of this winters scenarios for Germany from their national transmission authority. At equal risk of blackouts, due to lack of north south transmission capacity rather than dispatchable generation capacity. There is exactly one major high voltage line. Normally there should be two or three. Nimby has prevented the redundancy from being built, despite growing imbalance in the location of generation capacity between north and south. They built non-dispatchable wind turbines instead.

Politically self inflicted green wounds in both countries. Should make for an educational winter.

^ More bullshit from a moron.

You compliment him. He is working hard to upgrade to moron from an imbecile.

Don't mind the OLD farts, they're just nasty trolls.