U.S. Gas Exports Force Drivers Into Bidding War With Mexico At Pump

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U.S. Gas Exports Force Drivers Into Bidding War With Mexico At Pump



WASHINGTON -- Conservation, high prices, and hard times have led American motorists to dramatically decrease the amount of gasoline they buy.


But how are they rewarded? With even higher prices, in part because American refiners have started exporting enormous amounts of American gasoline to Mexico and other countries.


Exports of petroleum products -- mostly diesel and gasoline -- have increased sharply in the last two years, to about a billion barrels in 2011. For the first time, the U.S. is exporting considerably more finished products (though not crude) than it's importing.


Around 3 million barrels of petroleum products are sent abroad each day. For some perspective, consider that all U.S. motorists combined use around 8 million barrels of gasoline a day.


The top countries receiving the exports are Mexico, Canada, the Netherlands, Brazil, Singapore, Chile, Panama, Japan and China.


Most of the ongoing increases in gas prices can be traced to geopolitical concerns and rampant financial speculation that have run up the cost of crude oil. And yet, if U.S. refiners limited themselves to domestic sales, there would be a glut on the market, and diesel and gasoline prices would inevitably drop.


"The other countries are willing to pay more than we would," said James Hamilton, an economics professor and blogger at the University of California, San Diego. "And that's the price we pay, too, what they're willing to pay."


Hamilton said that's how things work in a global market. "If you are a refiner and you've got gasoline to sell, you want to sell it where you can get the highest price," he said. "If Mexico is willing to pay a higher price to Americans, you're going to want to sell it to them instead of Americans."
So what can be done to help out American motorists?


"I do not support an outright ban of exports," said Tyson Slocum, director of the energy program for the consumer watchdog group Public Citizen. "And I don't want to see the government regulating retail prices. But I don't think that it is in our best interests to be exporting at the rate at which we are."
 
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So, this is fine with everyone?
 
US refiners produce product, their workers are employed.


the price of a product is determined by worldwide demand and world wide supplies. All that is different is US refiners are part of the Mexican supply chain.

being upset about how the workings of the supply demand equation works is like being upset at the law of gravity or grumbling about the limit on the speed of light. Trying to alter it for your own advantage only leads to problems, and when the interference is severe, disaster.
 
US refiners produce product, their workers are employed.


the price of a product is determined by worldwide demand and world wide supplies. All that is different is US refiners are part of the Mexican supply chain.

being upset about how the workings of the supply demand equation works is like being upset at the law of gravity or grumbling about the limit on the speed of light. Trying to alter it for your own advantage only leads to problems, and when the interference is severe, disaster.
Then please admit that building the Keystone pipeline will not reduce costs for fuel in the U.S.
 
It's not fine but no one has the guts to screw with the petrodollar for any reason. We are at the mercy of the petrochemical industry and that is all there is to it. Kind of puts the lie to "drill baby, drill" as the answer to our energy needs, even with a rare surplus they still manage to create price spikes.
 
US refiners produce product, their workers are employed.


the price of a product is determined by worldwide demand and world wide supplies. All that is different is US refiners are part of the Mexican supply chain.

being upset about how the workings of the supply demand equation works is like being upset at the law of gravity or grumbling about the limit on the speed of light. Trying to alter it for your own advantage only leads to problems, and when the interference is severe, disaster.
Then please admit that building the Keystone pipeline will not reduce costs for fuel in the U.S.

This was a no-brainer. Anyone who thinks otherwise, should think again.
 
Where are the posters who keep saying that Keystone will lower our fuel prices?
 
I for one never stated that Keystone XL would reduce gasoline prices.
What it would do is alleviate bloated inventories at various locations, resulting in more efficient distribution. It would also reduce imports from countries that we probably should not be patronizing.

And exactly what is "wrong" with exporting refined products?
Why are we exporting millions of metric tons of grains each year while our grocery bills skyrocket?
I haven't seen any screws put to the Ag industry in this regard.

We export ethanol, so why not refined crude products?

Even doubling the size of inventories of refined products in this country would not bring down the price of gasoline. If you flood the market with $4.00 gasoline, all you get is more $4.00 gasoline.

Socialist countries such as Venezuela control their industries in a fashion that you would suggest. So, why stop at petroleum? Let's ban exports of corn, beans, and wheat. Let's stop exporting automobiles to make them cheaper.

You see what I'm getting at? Your concerns are nonsensical.

Refined products are in high demand overseas, and selling at a premium. If we have excess, then by all means export that excess and bring hard currency back into this country.

If you go back even 20 years, there has consistently been around 200,000 barrels of gasoline and other refined liquids held in inventory in this country. That is adequate to meet demand. Why build more massive tank farms to store more expensive product?

Honestly folks, grow some eyes and ears and knock off the bullshit.
 
I for one never stated that Keystone XL would reduce gasoline prices.
What it would do is alleviate bloated inventories at various locations, resulting in more efficient distribution. It would also reduce imports from countries that we probably should not be patronizing.

And exactly what is "wrong" with exporting refined products?
Why are we exporting millions of metric tons of grains each year while our grocery bills skyrocket?
I haven't seen any screws put to the Ag industry in this regard.

We export ethanol, so why not refined crude products?

Even doubling the size of inventories of refined products in this country would not bring down the price of gasoline. If you flood the market with $4.00 gasoline, all you get is more $4.00 gasoline.

Socialist countries such as Venezuela control their industries in a fashion that you would suggest. So, why stop at petroleum? Let's ban exports of corn, beans, and wheat. Let's stop exporting automobiles to make them cheaper.

You see what I'm getting at? Your concerns are nonsensical.

Refined products are in high demand overseas, and selling at a premium. If we have excess, then by all means export that excess and bring hard currency back into this country.

If you go back even 20 years, there has consistently been around 200,000 barrels of gasoline and other refined liquids held in inventory in this country. That is adequate to meet demand. Why build more massive tank farms to store more expensive product?

Honestly folks, grow some eyes and ears and knock off the bullshit.

Are you denying that it's a Rightwing talking point that Keystone would reduce U.S. fuel prices?
 
I for one never stated that Keystone XL would reduce gasoline prices.
What it would do is alleviate bloated inventories at various locations, resulting in more efficient distribution. It would also reduce imports from countries that we probably should not be patronizing.

And exactly what is "wrong" with exporting refined products?
Why are we exporting millions of metric tons of grains each year while our grocery bills skyrocket?
I haven't seen any screws put to the Ag industry in this regard.

We export ethanol, so why not refined crude products?

Even doubling the size of inventories of refined products in this country would not bring down the price of gasoline. If you flood the market with $4.00 gasoline, all you get is more $4.00 gasoline.

Socialist countries such as Venezuela control their industries in a fashion that you would suggest. So, why stop at petroleum? Let's ban exports of corn, beans, and wheat. Let's stop exporting automobiles to make them cheaper.

You see what I'm getting at? Your concerns are nonsensical.

Refined products are in high demand overseas, and selling at a premium. If we have excess, then by all means export that excess and bring hard currency back into this country.

If you go back even 20 years, there has consistently been around 200,000 barrels of gasoline and other refined liquids held in inventory in this country. That is adequate to meet demand. Why build more massive tank farms to store more expensive product?

Honestly folks, grow some eyes and ears and knock off the bullshit.


Does this mean that President Obama cannot be blamed by the Right for $4.00 gas?
 
The products go where they garner the best value. If we have local consumption, then great. But if there is demand elsewhere...that is where we go. Stop refiners from exporting and many refineries will shut down. Where wil we be then ?

If you taxed the imports, you might see more stay at home. But prices won't change.

I am not sure what the Keystone pipeline has to do with this. This pipeline is being proposed to deliver a specific type of crude to refineries that have been reconfigured to run that crude. Even if it cheaper to get the crude, the refiners won't give away the product. They'll sell it for the highest value.

What is the question ?
 
I for one never stated that Keystone XL would reduce gasoline prices.
What it would do is alleviate bloated inventories at various locations, resulting in more efficient distribution. It would also reduce imports from countries that we probably should not be patronizing.

And exactly what is "wrong" with exporting refined products?
Why are we exporting millions of metric tons of grains each year while our grocery bills skyrocket?
I haven't seen any screws put to the Ag industry in this regard.

We export ethanol, so why not refined crude products?

Even doubling the size of inventories of refined products in this country would not bring down the price of gasoline. If you flood the market with $4.00 gasoline, all you get is more $4.00 gasoline.

Socialist countries such as Venezuela control their industries in a fashion that you would suggest. So, why stop at petroleum? Let's ban exports of corn, beans, and wheat. Let's stop exporting automobiles to make them cheaper.

You see what I'm getting at? Your concerns are nonsensical.

Refined products are in high demand overseas, and selling at a premium. If we have excess, then by all means export that excess and bring hard currency back into this country.

If you go back even 20 years, there has consistently been around 200,000 barrels of gasoline and other refined liquids held in inventory in this country. That is adequate to meet demand. Why build more massive tank farms to store more expensive product?

Honestly folks, grow some eyes and ears and knock off the bullshit.


Does this mean that President Obama cannot be blamed by the Right for $4.00 gas?

Nope, he gets the BLAME..just like Bush did..
waaa
 
Hey here is an idea! Lets ridicule all the electric cars, solar and wind power or any other effort to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.
 
Does this mean that President Obama cannot be blamed by the Right for $4.00 gas?

Oh, he's gonna get blamed. Right or Wrong.

He ought to worried though because his policies have helped get us here. Why would refiners look to build locally when they see a president who essentially wants to phase them out ?

And this kind of price is going to hurt consumer confidence and slow down his so-called recovery. All of which could hit in Oct/Nov and cost him a second term as the Screw Up In Cheif.
 

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