U.S. criticizes new China zone, vows to defend Japan

[Vikrant]

I'm informed, South Korea has just extended its zone.
Will posters be condemning them as well?

The purpose of ADIZ is to give the country more time to respond to foreign and possibly hostile aircraft; it is vital for small countries like S Korea. The important thing to note about S Korea's ADIZ is that: a) it does not violate the airspace of any country or any existing ADIZ in deep contrast to that of China's which overlaps S Korea's ADIZ b) S Korea unlike China has consulted its neighbors and they are OK with it.

 

[Unkotare]

Japan and South Korea hold joint exercise in China?s air defence zone | South China Morning Post


"Japan and South Korea have conducted a joint naval exercise in an area covered by China's air defence identification zone - a move that is seen as sending a firm message to Beijing."

 

[Vikrant]

Glory to China for it is bringing Japan and S Korea together.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

When China makes her move for Taiwan I believe that America will go to war. I think that is coming.

Very foolish post.
Any war may well turn nuclear and that, for the simple minded, means massive destruction in China and America.

Many major Chinese cities would be destroyed but you can wave bye bye to Washington and New York as well.

There won't be any nuclear exchange. The Russians will strike America so hard there will be no response - because unlike us they are not flying blind here - the plan has been there for decades. As you are in Indonesia perhaps you are not aware of what is happening inside Mexico and the USA right now.. it is all like chess....and we are in the end game here. It is foolishness to you because you do not understand what is going on, Indo.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

When China makes her move for Taiwan I believe that America will go to war. I think that is coming.

Very foolish post.
Any war may well turn nuclear and that, for the simple minded, means massive destruction in China and America.

Many major Chinese cities would be destroyed but you can wave bye bye to Washington and New York as well.

In this article printed by Reuters several months ago the president of Taiwan made a statement that he believes that China will try to invade Taiwan and take it no later than 2020. I believe it will be alot sooner than that.

Taiwan says China could launch successful invasion by 2020 | Reuters

Taiwan says China could launch successful invasion by 2020
TAIPEI Wed Oct 9, 2013 5:10am EDT
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Taiwan's President Ma Ying-jeou speaks during a meeting with journalists in a hotel in Asuncion August 14, 2013.

Credit: Reuters/Jorge Adorno
TAIPEI (Reuters) - China will be able to fend off U.S. forces and successfully invade Taiwan by 2020, the island's Defense Ministry said on Wednesday, the first time Taipei has given such a precise timetable for the threat it says it faces.

China and Taiwan have been ruled separately since Nationalist forces, defeated by the Communists, fled to the island at the end of the Chinese civil war in 1949. China considers Taiwan a renegade province and has never ruled out the use of force to bring it under its control.

 

[Indeependent]

Ooh! We're criticizing China!
Of course when we sell them large chunks of America we do so with a loving smile.

Bad China...Now, can I have my iPhone and my Food Processor?

 

[Unkotare]

When China makes her move for Taiwan I believe that America will go to war. I think that is coming.

Very foolish post.
Any war may well turn nuclear and that, for the simple minded, means massive destruction in China and America.

Many major Chinese cities would be destroyed but you can wave bye bye to Washington and New York as well.

There won't be any nuclear exchange. The Russians will strike America so hard there will be no response - because unlike us they are not flying blind here - the plan has been there for decades. As you are in Indonesia perhaps you are not aware of what is happening inside Mexico and the USA right now.. it is all like chess....and we are in the end game here. It is foolishness to you because you do not understand what is going on, Indo.

You need to take your little show to the Conspiracy Forum.

 

[Unkotare]

Japan to boost defense spending, shift troops to south amid concerns about China's rise | Fox News

 

[SalaamAkir]

No, there is not. We use allies as we police the world. Japan isn't our ally for no reason-we're their ally because we use their country to establish a military presence in Asia (so who's the real aggressor?).

There are no U.S. bases on Senkaku, and even if the U.S. were to close down all its Pacific bases, the sea disputes between China and its neighbours would still continue and intensify, they've been going on for quite some while now. Japan and America are allies because their mutual national interests usually converge, and that's been true since the Cold War, and even more so to this day. Japan needs the U.S. as much as the U.S. needs it.

Finally, I am aware that you have snapped like this before, so you should know that rudeness does not elevate you. You may gain some support by aggressively suppressing disagreement, but anyone can be rude-only a few cannot restrain themselves. Stop showing off your crudeness and idiocy. I notice that you and Unkotare both are good at avoiding actual debate by stalling the discussion with inappropriate distractions. At best, this shows that you simply do not know how to argue.

Maybe because they are genuinely tired of arguing with you, and see little point to such debate

Calling this newspaper "pro-government", although true, is misleading. While the civilian press in China is controlled, this is only performed against dissident publications. China generally does not use resources for controlling the pro-government press.

Is there an exact source for these bold assertions? To my knowledge, China has an entire department devoted weekly to circulating pro-CCP propaganda through its state-controlled outlets to sway public opinion and promote the interests of the Communist regime

http://www.scmp.com/topics/central-propaganda-department-chinese-communist-party

You quoted these civilians because you wanted to give the erroneous impression that China is the aggressor, which makes American military presence in Asia seem justified, even though you do not even know if the Chinese government is actually making these aggressive statements-and they probably weren't. Anyone who uses common sense would probably conclude that this far-fetched and extremely dangerous fantasy was probably conjured by an unthinking, overpatriotic person. You basically tried to tricked us, Vikrant. What does this prove about the Chinese government's agenda?

'Erroneous impression', honestly? You seem very adamant on that. Most Vietnamese people I know, for example, think China is a far greater threat to them, not the West. Are you Chinese, by any chance?

True, certain instances of American aggression and controversial FP is well-known, and should be properly criticized, but personally, I feel it ludicrous to try defending China is much better nation. The basis for cited article is not necessarily invalid, the Chinese have had very serious boundary and land disputes with nearly all its neighbours (even North Korea and Pakistan) either in past or future

Maybe you should ask most Asians, other than the Chinese and North Koreans, whether they think China or U.S. is bigger threat to them in Asia's region

 

[SalaamAkir]

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[Indofred]

When China makes her move for Taiwan I believe that America will go to war. I think that is coming.

Very foolish post.
Any war may well turn nuclear and that, for the simple minded, means massive destruction in China and America.

Many major Chinese cities would be destroyed but you can wave bye bye to Washington and New York as well.

There won't be any nuclear exchange. The Russians will strike America so hard there will be no response - because unlike us they are not flying blind here - the plan has been there for decades. As you are in Indonesia perhaps you are not aware of what is happening inside Mexico and the USA right now.. it is all like chess....and we are in the end game here. It is foolishness to you because you do not understand what is going on, Indo.

I read several news outlets every day.
I've extended my reading material from the BBC, English papers, local publications and a couple of American outlets to several other world news portals, including Israeli, Chinese and Russian sites.
That way I can see what all sides are thinking so I'm getting a pretty good idea of what's going on.
Add to this, every time I read something on political forums I'm less than familiar with, I research the subject until I have enough information to form a reasonable opinion.
Unlike many, I do not restrict myself to stories that fit my religious or political opinions; rather, I consider all sides and decide who is guilty or how blame should be apportions on the facts, not because I want it to be true.

This is where the Korean story of politicians being fed to dogs or Obama being Kenyan goes wrong.
Either these stories are made up or are buggered by facts available at the time.
My dislike of socialism doesn't require me to believe any old bull someone makes up because they're too stupid to argue on Obama's record so they have to resort to racist slurs or fiction in a bootless attempt to remove an elected president.
This applies to the Korean dog story: the NK lot are disliked, fair enough, but why believe any old shit?
That's stupid.

That brings us to these stories regarding America's new evil enemy.
China has done next to nothing when you compare their record to that of the United States, they have very few military bases outside China and have invaded just the one country, plus border pea flicking with India.
America has massive military all over the world and has invaded lots of countries, none were claimed by America or were any threat to America, but you killed millions of people anyway.

One has to look at all sides, the history of the conflict and what sparked events we see today and, most important, are these reported events true?
How many news stories do we find were fabrications or turn out to be propaganda?
This applies to these Chinese stories.
America is out to defend these tiny Islands, thousands of miles away from America and absolutely nothing to do with America.

The question is, why?
When you ask that question, you have to clear the fog of bullshit around all the stories and find out the truth.
Have a clue - follow the cash.

 

[Indofred]

Japan to boost defense spending, shift troops to south amid concerns about China's rise | Fox News

Guess what, they aren't buying from Russia or China, the American arms industry is getting the cash.
That's what this island shit is really about - cold, hard cash but so many people are foolish enough to think America is defending freedom.

 

[Unkotare]

Add to this, every time I read something on political forums I'm less than familiar with, I research the subject until I have enough information to form a reasonable opinion.
Unlike many, I do not restrict myself to stories that fit my religious or political opinions; .

You?!

 

[Unkotare]

America is out to defend these tiny Islands, thousands of miles away from America and absolutely nothing to do with America...

They DO absolutely have to do with America, you ignorant, bitter, myopic buffoon.

 

[Indofred]

America is out to defend these tiny Islands, thousands of miles away from America and absolutely nothing to do with America...

They DO absolutely have to do with America, you ignorant, bitter, myopic buffoon.

Please inform us as to what.

 

[Unkotare]

America is out to defend these tiny Islands, thousands of miles away from America and absolutely nothing to do with America...

They DO absolutely have to do with America, you ignorant, bitter, myopic buffoon.

Please inform us as to what.

I've already informed you several times now. Your pathological anti-Americanism seems to prevent you from retaining information.

 

[Indofred]

They DO absolutely have to do with America, you ignorant, bitter, myopic buffoon.

Please inform us as to what.

I've already informed you several times now. Your pathological anti-Americanism seems to prevent you from retaining information.

See, no argument and no valid points to consider, just insults.
Pointless.

 

[Unkotare]

Please inform us as to what.

I've already informed you several times now. Your pathological anti-Americanism seems to prevent you from retaining information.

See, no argument and no valid points to consider, just insults.
Pointless.

^^ Confirms my previous post.