U.S. criticizes new China zone, vows to defend Japan

[Unkotare]

Allies? the ones who attacked Pearl harbour .

Yes, allies. Some of our closest and most important allies.





Btw, WWII ended almost 70 years ago, fool.

 

[Unkotare]

China's ambitions?.

Yes, China's ambitions. Pull your head out of your ass and look around once in a while, you ignorant douche. Your impotent anti-Americanism has completely blinded you.

 

[Unkotare]

The U.S. economy is correct. You have a massive thirst for oil, .

There is far more than oil involved, you ignorant douche.

 

[Unkotare]

Peace and security - What like you brought to Iran, Afghanistan, Palestine and so on?.

Like we have ensured for much of the world for the last 50 years or so, you ignorant douche.

 

[Unkotare]

If America should start yet another war, I'd rather like to you lose in a massive way.
The burning of the white house would be nice, as we did when you attacked us in Canada.

You'd like to, because you are a spiteful, impotent little anti-American insect. You won't get to.


And the War of 1812 was not against Canada, you ignorant douche.

 

[Vikrant]

It is about time the world started confronting Chinese hegemony. Chinese expansionism is a threat to world peace. They are engaged in confrontation with pretty much all of their neighbors. People are getting tired of Chinese pulling out these ancient maps from their rear and claiming anything they want as theirs. The next defining point in the history will be when the good countries of the world will come together to deliver justice to Tibetans.

 

[Unkotare]

China scrambles jets after US, Japan enter air zone?Xinhua | Inquirer Global Nation

"But Beijing is facing considerable internal pressure to assert itself. China’s state media called Friday for “timely countermeasures without hesitation” if Japan violates the zone.
Washington has security alliances with both Tokyo and Seoul, and analysts say that neither China nor Japan—the world’s second- and third-biggest economies, and major trading partners of each other—want to engage in armed conflict."

 

[ThirdTerm]

China's new air-defence identification zone looks menacingly like China's "living space" or Lebensraum over the East China Sea. In the South China Sea, China has backed the Philippines away from several contested reefs and shoals by sending waves of increasingly powerful vessels to the area and Japan must not lose this Cold War confrontation by backing down. Japan recently purchased 40 F-35s from Lockheed Martin and those high-tech fighter jets could be deployed to patrol the contested zone and the country needs to take any necessary measures that stop short of war to challenge China's roguish behaviour.

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[Indofred]

You forgot one of the great states of our Union because you are an anti-American fool.

Actually, I forgot an occupied land..

No, you forgot one of the great states of our Union, fool. A state that entered the Union after 94% of its citizens voted to do so, fool.

American citizens that moved onto the island after the American invasion; not the people of Hawaii.
basically, you stuck a load of military on the island, gave them voting rights as if they were in America and voted yourselves into joining the union.

A bit of a cheat.

 

[Indofred]

It is about time the world started confronting Chinese hegemony. Chinese expansionism is a threat to world peace. They are engaged in confrontation with pretty much all of their neighbors. People are getting tired of Chinese pulling out these ancient maps from their rear and claiming anything they want as theirs. The next defining point in the history will be when the good countries of the world will come together to deliver justice to Tibetans.

China has one aircraft carrier; how many does america have?
China has invaded and taken over Tibet; how many countries has America invaded since 1945?
China has no battle fleets near America at the moment and has never flown over lands claimed by America since it attacked American occupied Hawaii.
How many countries has America bombed/invaded/removed governments in since 1945?

I think you may have this the wrong way around.
America has murdered by the million since WWII, all as part of its expansionist policy.

 

[Vikrant]

U.S. airlines advised to give China flight plans over new defence zone


(Reuters) - The United States advised its commercial airlines to notify Chinese authorities of flight plans when travelling through an air defence zone that Beijing established a week ago over the East China Sea, ratcheting up regional tensions.

The United States said it expected U.S. carriers to operate in line with so-called notices to airmen issued by foreign countries, adding, however, that the decision did "not indicate U.S. government acceptance of China's requirements.

The advice is in contrast with America's close ally Japan, where the two major airlines have agreed with the Japanese government to fly through the zone without notifying China.

Beijing wants foreign aircraft passing through the zone - including passenger planes - to identify themselves to Chinese authorities.

A U.S. administration official said China's action appeared to be a unilateral attempt to change the status quo in the East China Sea, which could "increase the risk of miscalculation, confrontation and accidents".

"We urge the Chinese to exercise caution and restraint, and we are consulting with Japan and other affected parties throughout the region," the official said.

The zone includes skies over islands at the heart of a tense territorial dispute between Japan and China and represents a historic challenge by the emerging new world power to the United States, which has dominated the region for decades.

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden is due to visit China, Japan and South Korea next week, and will try to ease tensions over the issue, senior U.S. officials said.

Defying China's declaration of the air defence zone, the United States, Japan and South Korea flew military aircraft through the area this week without informing Beijing.

On Friday, China scrambled jets after two U.S. spy planes and 10 Japanese aircraft, including F-15 fighters, entered the zone, China's state news agency Xinhua said. The jets were scrambled for effective monitoring, it quoted air force spokesman Shen Jinke as saying.

The Chinese patrol mission, conducted on Thursday, was "a defensive measure and in line with international common practices", Shen said, according to Xinhua.

"China's air force is on high alert and will take measures to deal with diverse air threats to firmly protect the security of the country's airspace," he said.

However, Defence Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun said it was "incorrect" to suggest China would shoot down aircraft which entered the zone without first identifying themselves. He did not elaborate.

U.S. flights were "routinely" transiting the zone, U.S. officials said on Friday. Flights this week included a training mission for two unarmed B-52 bombers.

"These flights are consistent with long standing and well known U.S. freedom of navigation policies," Pentagon spokesman Colonel Steve Warren said. "I can confirm that the U.S. has and will continue to operate in the area as normal."

A U.S. defence official said the routine operations included reconnaissance and surveillance flights.

STRAINED TIES

In a further sign of Tokyo's defiance, Japanese carriers ANA Holdings (9202.T) and Japan Airlines (9201.T) have flown through the zone without informing China. Neither airline experienced any problems.

The airlines said they were sticking with that policy even after Washington advised U.S. commercial airlines to notify China when they fly through the zone, although an ANA spokesman said his airline would follow whatever advice the government provided.

China's Foreign Ministry said on Thursday there had been no impact on the safe operation of international civilian flights since the zone had come into force, although China "hoped" airlines would co-operate.

Ties between China and Japan have been strained for months by the dispute over the islands, called the Diaoyu by China and the Senkaku by Japan.

Mutual mistrust over military intentions and what China feels is Japan's lack of contrition over its brutal occupation of parts of China before, and during, World War Two have added to tension.

"It's important for both sides to take a calm approach and deal with the situation according to international norms," Japan's Defence Minister, Itsunori Onodera, told state broadcaster NHK on Saturday. Onodera said the Japanese military had not noted any Chinese aircraft in the zone.

Although Washington takes no position on the sovereignty of the islands, it recognises Tokyo's administrative control and says the U.S.-Japan security pact applies to them.

Europe's top diplomat, Catherine Ashton, said the European Union was concerned about China's decision to establish the new air defence zone as well as its announcement of "emergency defence measures" if other parties did not comply.

"This development heightens the risk of escalation and contributes to raising tensions in the region," Ashton said. "The EU calls on all sides to exercise caution and restraint."

CRITICISM

China's Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang criticised Ashton's remarks, saying China hoped the EU could treat the situation "objectively and rationally".

"Actually, Madam Ashton should know that some European countries also have air defence identification zones," Qin said. "I don't know if this leads to tensions in the European regional situation. European countries can have air defence identification zones. Why can't China?"

Although there are concerns over the increased tensions, the United States and China have stepped up military communication in recent years to avoid accidental clashes.

The Global Times, an influential tabloid published by the ruling Communist Party's official People's Daily newspaper, praised the government for its calm response in the face of "provocations", saying China would not target the United States in the zone as long as it "does not go too far".

But it warned Japan it could expect a robust response if it continued to fly military aircraft in the zone.

"If the trend continues, there will likely be frictions and confrontations and even a collision in the air ... It is therefore an urgent task for China to further train its air force to make full preparation for potential conflicts," it wrote in an editorial on Friday.

(Additional reporting by Phil Stewart in Washington and Sui-Lee Wee, Michael Martina and Paul Carsten in Beijing; Writing by Neil Fullick; Editing by Clarence Fernandez)

U.S. airlines advised to give China flight plans over new defence zone | Reuters

 

[Vikrant]

It is about time the world started confronting Chinese hegemony. Chinese expansionism is a threat to world peace. They are engaged in confrontation with pretty much all of their neighbors. People are getting tired of Chinese pulling out these ancient maps from their rear and claiming anything they want as theirs. The next defining point in the history will be when the good countries of the world will come together to deliver justice to Tibetans.

China has one aircraft carrier; how many does america have?
China has invaded and taken over Tibet; how many countries has America invaded since 1945?
China has no battle fleets near America at the moment and has never flown over lands claimed by America since it attacked American occupied Hawaii.
How many countries has America bombed/invaded/removed governments in since 1945?

I think you may have this the wrong way around.
America has murdered by the million since WWII, all as part of its expansionist policy.

Nothing that the US has done comes even close to what China has done in Tibet. You have to be a blind person to state otherwise. If China had the kind of military and economy the US has, the whole world would be in deep trouble.

 

[R.C. Christian]

Part of U.S. foreign policy is the China pivot. This is a response to it. I wouldn't worry much about it. China in no way capable of competing with the combined Naval superiority of the U.S. and our proxy in Japan who, in case you haven't noticed, has awakened from it's pacifist slumber and is no longer willing to take shit from communist dogs. China can go fuck itself. This is a rare piece of U.S. foreign policy that I support.

 

[Indofred]

It is about time the world started confronting Chinese hegemony. Chinese expansionism is a threat to world peace. They are engaged in confrontation with pretty much all of their neighbors. People are getting tired of Chinese pulling out these ancient maps from their rear and claiming anything they want as theirs. The next defining point in the history will be when the good countries of the world will come together to deliver justice to Tibetans.

China has one aircraft carrier; how many does america have?
China has invaded and taken over Tibet; how many countries has America invaded since 1945?
China has no battle fleets near America at the moment and has never flown over lands claimed by America since it attacked American occupied Hawaii.
How many countries has America bombed/invaded/removed governments in since 1945?

I think you may have this the wrong way around.
America has murdered by the million since WWII, all as part of its expansionist policy.

Nothing that the US has done comes even close to what China has done in Tibet. You have to be a blind person to state otherwise. If China had the kind of military and economy the US has, the whole world would be in deep trouble.

HAWAII 1893 (-?) Naval, troops Independent kingdom overthrown, annexed.

CHICAGO 1894 Troops Breaking of rail strike, 34 killed.

PHILIPPINES 1898-1910 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, killed 600,000 Filipinos

PANAMA 1908 Troops Marines intervene in election contest.

COLORADO 1914 Troops Breaking of miners' strike by Army.

HONDURAS 1919 Troops Marines land during election campaign.

WEST VIRGINIA 1920-21 Troops, bombing Army intervenes against mineworkers.

WASHINGTON DC 1932 Troops Army stops WWI vet bonus protest.

DETROIT 1943 Troops Army put down Black rebellion.

GREECE 1947-49 Command operation U.S. directs extreme-right in civil war.

IRAN 1953 Command Operation CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah.

VIETNAM l960-75 Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats Fought South Vietnam revolt & North Vietnam; one million killed in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in l968 and l969.

IRAQ 1963 Command operation CIA organizes coup that killed president, brings Ba'ath Party to power, and Saddam Hussein back from exile to be head of the secret service.

PANAMA l964 Troops Panamanians shot for urging canal's return.

INDONESIA l965 Command operation Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1965-66 Troops, bombing Army & Marines land during election campaign.

DETROIT l967 Troops Army battles African Americans, 43 killed.

CAMBODIA l969-75 Bombing, troops, naval Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos.

OMAN l970 Command operation U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion.

LAOS l971-73 Command operation, bombing U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside.

That'll do for the moment.
Between carpet bombing civilian populations, murdering your own people and interfering in elections by invading when it looks like your pal will lose, I'd say that's pretty bad.
Putting Saddam in power was probably one of the biggest fuck ups.

Of course, no one in America much likes to talk about that so you may not be aware of it.
Now, about China and Tibet. Are they worse than America?

 

[Sally]

China has one aircraft carrier; how many does america have?
China has invaded and taken over Tibet; how many countries has America invaded since 1945?
China has no battle fleets near America at the moment and has never flown over lands claimed by America since it attacked American occupied Hawaii.
How many countries has America bombed/invaded/removed governments in since 1945?

I think you may have this the wrong way around.
America has murdered by the million since WWII, all as part of its expansionist policy.

Nothing that the US has done comes even close to what China has done in Tibet. You have to be a blind person to state otherwise. If China had the kind of military and economy the US has, the whole world would be in deep trouble.

HAWAII 1893 (-?) Naval, troops Independent kingdom overthrown, annexed.

CHICAGO 1894 Troops Breaking of rail strike, 34 killed.

PHILIPPINES 1898-1910 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, killed 600,000 Filipinos

PANAMA 1908 Troops Marines intervene in election contest.

COLORADO 1914 Troops Breaking of miners' strike by Army.

HONDURAS 1919 Troops Marines land during election campaign.

WEST VIRGINIA 1920-21 Troops, bombing Army intervenes against mineworkers.

WASHINGTON DC 1932 Troops Army stops WWI vet bonus protest.

DETROIT 1943 Troops Army put down Black rebellion.

GREECE 1947-49 Command operation U.S. directs extreme-right in civil war.

IRAN 1953 Command Operation CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah.

VIETNAM l960-75 Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats Fought South Vietnam revolt & North Vietnam; one million killed in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in l968 and l969.

IRAQ 1963 Command operation CIA organizes coup that killed president, brings Ba'ath Party to power, and Saddam Hussein back from exile to be head of the secret service.

PANAMA l964 Troops Panamanians shot for urging canal's return.

INDONESIA l965 Command operation Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1965-66 Troops, bombing Army & Marines land during election campaign.

DETROIT l967 Troops Army battles African Americans, 43 killed.

CAMBODIA l969-75 Bombing, troops, naval Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos.

OMAN l970 Command operation U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion.

LAOS l971-73 Command operation, bombing U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside.

That'll do for the moment.
Between carpet bombing civilian populations, murdering your own people and interfering in elections by invading when it looks like your pal will lose, I'd say that's pretty bad.
Putting Saddam in power was probably one of the biggest fuck ups.

Of course, no one in America much likes to talk about that so you may not be aware of it.
Now, about China and Tibet. Are they worse than America?

Fred, do Muslims like you ever talk about the millions who have been murdered by Muslims, or is that something you keep under the covers?

 

[Indofred]

My point is about American expansionism.
Either answer that or don't bother.

As for your off topic post; start a thread.

Now, how do you excuse the American threat to China and do you condone America's long history of violence, removing elected governments, using troops to murder its own people and invading foreign countries.

This aggression against China is just one more example in a long list of American crimes against other nations.

 

[Indofred]

I'm assured (by the foolish), China has an evil expansionist policy but America does not.

I think that might well be a load of old bollocks.
Here are America's military bases.

Then, just for fun, toss in CIA and other intelligence networks.

Pretty much all over the world but, as I'm assured there is no expansionism, I'm sure they're there to conduct kids' parties and karaoke evenings.

And a little close up of that bit of Asia.

Perhaps, if China is guilty of evil expansionism, you can post maps of Chinese military bases outside China. There are a few but not even close to as many as war like America has.

America, as usual, is using muscle to try to force its way into oil deposits and this island dispute is just another example of America being the colonial power it is.

 

[Unkotare]

Actually, I forgot an occupied land..

No, you forgot one of the great states of our Union, fool. A state that entered the Union after 94% of its citizens voted to do so, fool.

American citizens that moved onto the island after the American invasion; not the people of Hawaii.
basically, you stuck a load of military on the island, gave them voting rights as if they were in America and voted yourselves into joining the union.

A bit of a cheat.

The vast majority of native Hawaiians also voted for statehood, you ignorant shit.

 

[Unkotare]

China has invaded and taken over Tibet; how many countries has America invaded since 1945?

To incorporate their territory into the United States against the will of the people? None, you ignorant shit.

 

[Unkotare]

It is about time the world started confronting Chinese hegemony. Chinese expansionism is a threat to world peace. They are engaged in confrontation with pretty much all of their neighbors. People are getting tired of Chinese pulling out these ancient maps from their rear and claiming anything they want as theirs. The next defining point in the history will be when the good countries of the world will come together to deliver justice to Tibetans.

China has one aircraft carrier; how many does america have?
China has invaded and taken over Tibet; how many countries has America invaded since 1945?
China has no battle fleets near America at the moment and has never flown over lands claimed by America since it attacked American occupied Hawaii.
How many countries has America bombed/invaded/removed governments in since 1945?

I think you may have this the wrong way around.
America has murdered by the million since WWII, all as part of its expansionist policy.

Nothing that the US has done comes even close to what China has done in Tibet. You have to be a blind person to state otherwise. If China had the kind of military and economy the US has, the whole world would be in deep trouble.

And idiots like freddy there wouldn't realize it until it was too late.