Two Dates That Set FDR Spinning In His Grave

[PoliticalChic]

October 13th,
1986 Reykjavik, Iceland: in the last great battle of the Cold War, President Reagan
refused to accede to Mikhail Gorbachev’s demand to abandon the Strategic Defense Initiative, “Star Wars,”and four years later the USSR was formally dissolved.

Today....December 26th,
1991 The USSR was formally dissolved.




[Joseph Stalin, Franklin Roosevelt's BFF,] "..... cruelty is so perverse that even those who serve him are in constant fear for their lives. Stalin has a standing order that none of his bodyguards are to enter his bedroom. Ever. Once, just to test them, he lay on his bed and screamed out in agony. Thinking the Soviet leader was in mortal danger, the guards rushed into the room to save his life. Stalin's scream was fake. He was testing his guards.

Each man was then executed for failure to follow orders.
Stalin will ultimately order between fifty million and sixty million deaths, far more than his hated rival Adolf Hitler.

The entire population of Great Britain is forty-seven million people. Stalin, in effect, will
eventually slaughter the equivalent of every man, woman, and child in Winston Churchill's beloved homeland. He will do so without compassion or guilt, all the while living a life of luxury and debauchery in stark contrast to the rigors of the Communist lifestyle his government imposes."
"Killing Patton, " chapter four, O'Reilly and Dugard





So very many deaths could have been avoided if there had been a President like Ronald Reagan as our 32nd.


Millions.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR was Stalin's sock puppet, as devoid of principle as his Master, Uncle Joe.

Stalin starved 6MM people to death and he was still FDR's mentor and guiding star

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR was Stalin's sock puppet, as devoid of principle as his Master, Uncle Joe.

Stalin starved 6MM people to death and he was still FDR's mentor and guiding star

But...but.....in another thread some guys told me that Franklin Delano Roosevelt was "the moral compass of our nation."

'So are they all, all honorable men, —' these friends of Roosevelt....

 

[william the wie]

PC, FDR was faced with a big problem when Germany declared war on us 12/9/41. Stalin and Churchill had already divided up Post War Europe, the Eastern front was the main front in Europe and all USN assets were needed in the Pacific and the Atlantic both. Given that situation nobody could have done much better than he did at that time. It was Truman not FDR who caused the preventable post-war problems.

 

[Two Thumbs]

October 13th,
1986 Reykjavik, Iceland: in the last great battle of the Cold War, President Reagan
refused to accede to Mikhail Gorbachev’s demand to abandon the Strategic Defense Initiative, “Star Wars,”and four years later the USSR was formally dissolved.

Today....December 26th,
1991 The USSR was formally dissolved.




[Joseph Stalin, Franklin Roosevelt's BFF,] "..... cruelty is so perverse that even those who serve him are in constant fear for their lives. Stalin has a standing order that none of his bodyguards are to enter his bedroom. Ever. Once, just to test them, he lay on his bed and screamed out in agony. Thinking the Soviet leader was in mortal danger, the guards rushed into the room to save his life. Stalin's scream was fake. He was testing his guards.

Each man was then executed for failure to follow orders.
Stalin will ultimately order between fifty million and sixty million deaths, far more than his hated rival Adolf Hitler.

The entire population of Great Britain is forty-seven million people. Stalin, in effect, will
eventually slaughter the equivalent of every man, woman, and child in Winston Churchill's beloved homeland. He will do so without compassion or guilt, all the while living a life of luxury and debauchery in stark contrast to the rigors of the Communist lifestyle his government imposes."
"Killing Patton, " chapter four, O'Reilly and Dugard





So very many deaths could have been avoided if there had been a President like Ronald Reagan as our 32nd.


Millions.

to be fair, we didn't really know how bad communism was, we knew we didn't want it b/c we knew large governments took freedom, but we couldn't predict the body count.


But if Wilson and the progs had never gotten to the Ofc, there probably would not have been a WW2 as we would have followed our Founding principles and not gotten involved in a war that had NOTHING to do with us.


this post will be followed by leftist claiming we, or at least I, supported Hitler.

 

[Two Thumbs]

FDR was Stalin's sock puppet, as devoid of principle as his Master, Uncle Joe.

Stalin starved 6MM people to death and he was still FDR's mentor and guiding star

But...but.....in another thread some guys told me that Franklin Delano Roosevelt was "the moral compass of our nation."

'So are they all, all honorable men, —' these friends of Roosevelt....

what fool claimed that?

what's moral about infecting poor black people with VD?
what's moral about rounding up innocent men, women and CHILDREN, and putting them in prison camps?

fdr was the most evil person to ever be Pres

 

[Two Thumbs]

October 13th,
1986 Reykjavik, Iceland: in the last great battle of the Cold War, President Reagan
refused to accede to Mikhail Gorbachev’s demand to abandon the Strategic Defense Initiative, “Star Wars,”and four years later the USSR was formally dissolved.

Today....December 26th,
1991 The USSR was formally dissolved.




[Joseph Stalin, Franklin Roosevelt's BFF,] "..... cruelty is so perverse that even those who serve him are in constant fear for their lives. Stalin has a standing order that none of his bodyguards are to enter his bedroom. Ever. Once, just to test them, he lay on his bed and screamed out in agony. Thinking the Soviet leader was in mortal danger, the guards rushed into the room to save his life. Stalin's scream was fake. He was testing his guards.

Each man was then executed for failure to follow orders.
Stalin will ultimately order between fifty million and sixty million deaths, far more than his hated rival Adolf Hitler.

The entire population of Great Britain is forty-seven million people. Stalin, in effect, will
eventually slaughter the equivalent of every man, woman, and child in Winston Churchill's beloved homeland. He will do so without compassion or guilt, all the while living a life of luxury and debauchery in stark contrast to the rigors of the Communist lifestyle his government imposes."
"Killing Patton, " chapter four, O'Reilly and Dugard





So very many deaths could have been avoided if there had been a President like Ronald Reagan as our 32nd.


Millions.

to be fair, we didn't really know how bad communism was, we knew we didn't want it b/c we knew large governments took freedom, but we couldn't predict the body count.


But if Wilson and the progs had never gotten to the Ofc, there probably would not have been a WW2 as we would have followed our Founding principles and not gotten involved in a war that had NOTHING to do with us.


this post will be followed by leftist claiming we, or at least I, supported Hitler.

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Funny in the thread Two Dates That Set FDR Spinning In His Grave.
Yesterday at 4:55 PM

over 100,000 Americans died and the oldschool thinks it's funny

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC, FDR was faced with a big problem when Germany declared war on us 12/9/41. Stalin and Churchill had already divided up Post War Europe, the Eastern front was the main front in Europe and all USN assets were needed in the Pacific and the Atlantic both. Given that situation nobody could have done much better than he did at that time. It was Truman not FDR who caused the preventable post-war problems.

Happy New Year, Willie.

1. FDR made his preference known in November of 1933. He did what no other President nor Sec'y of State did....he recognized the blood-drenched Bolshevik regime.

2. Germany declared war on the US because their ally, Japan, attacked the US...leaving them no choice.

a. Why did Japan do so? Stalin arranged it.
In 1995,Kremlin agent Vitaly Pavlov revealed"Operation Snow,"the plan to manipulate Japan and America into war.

In "Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter make a very strong case for Pearl Harbor being the most complex and successful KGB operation,designed to avert a Japanese attack on the USSR, and to force the United States to fight a two-front war, and be unable to stop Stalin from control of at least half of Europe.In 1995, former Kremlin agent Vitaly Pavlov revealed his role in this"Operation Snow."


b. Pavlov "was sent to the United States seven months before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor to meet with Harry Dexter White,then director of Monetary Research for the Treasury.

Did "Snow" mean "White"? Yes,

Harry Dexter White had been a Soviet "asset"since the early 1930s, providing information to Whittaker Chambers, a courier for the communist underground. By 1941 White was a top aide and adviser to Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury.

Pavlov wrote that the Soviets feared a Japanese attack from the east, and his mission was to discuss with White what could be done to keep the Japanese from joining forces with the Germans."
Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History
[Operation Snow http://nation.time.com/2012/12/07/pearl-harbor-2-0/]



c. "The chapter on Pearl Harbor is likewise instructive as to how Soviet agents operated.

Japan seriously considered an attack on Russia, but Stalin’s agents in the Japanese government and in the highly efficient Sorge spy ring on the island nation helped persuade Imperial Japan to turn its aggression “elsewhere.” That“elsewhere” eventually turned out to be Pearl Harbor.

Stalin’s acolytes in the U.S. were simultaneously pushing a foreign policy against Japan that would lead the Japanese away from any designs on Siberia and toward conflict with America."
Infiltration, intrigue and Communists - Conservative News


Connect those dots!
Stalin had spies in every important nation.
In America they controlled Roosevelt,and the nation's foreign policy.

Evidence indicates that he did the same in Japan....
...and the result was the attack on Pearl Harbor.


3. "Stalin and Churchill had already divided up Post War Europe, the Eastern front was the main front in Europe and all USN assets were needed in the Pacific and the Atlantic both."
Really?
FDR turned his back on our troops in the Philippines to aid Stalin instead.

Until June 21, 1941, Stalin and Hitler were allies....
September 1, 1939, Hitler attacked Poland....on September 17, Stalin attacks from the East. The Soviet radio transmitter in Minsk guided the Nazi bombers attacking Polish cities. Newsreel footage showed the Red Army in Nazi helmets, marching side by side with the SS. One photo shows the hammer and sickle along side the swastika.

a. The Soviet press depicted the battle as a fight against Polish fascism, with the peace-loving Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union fighting aggressive Polish fascism.

Hitler and Stalin signed secret protocols to divide up Europe. First, Stalin moved against Finland, November 1939....for the aggression, the USSR was expelled from the League of Nations. Hitler attacked to the West.

Norway was invaded by Hitler with the direct help of the Soviet Union, providing the Soviet naval base near Murmansk. German Admiral Raeder sent a letter of thanks to the Commander of the Soviet Navy, Kuznetsov.


4. "Given that situation nobody could have done much better than he did at that time."
You couldn't be more wrong, Willie.
What could, should have happened? When the (anticipated) event that Hitler would attack Stalin's Russia, as they did June 21st, 1941, America should have done nothing...no more than relaxing restrictions on exports to the Russians...but at the same time securing a quid pro quo for further assistance!

Lend-Lease should not have been the automatic and unlimited buffet that it turned into!

"Finally, should the Soviet regime fall,...we should refuse to recognize a Communist government-in-exile, leaving the path clear for establishment for a non-Communist government in Russia after the war." These were the words of Loy Henderson, Soviet and Eastern European affairs expert and Foreign Service officer, as quoted byMartin Weil in "A pretty good club: The founding fathers of the U.S. Foreign Service," p. 106.

Ambassador Bullitt said same, as did other Soviet experts at the time.

Only FDR insisted that Soviet communism survive.

 

[PoliticalChic]

October 13th,
1986 Reykjavik, Iceland: in the last great battle of the Cold War, President Reagan
refused to accede to Mikhail Gorbachev’s demand to abandon the Strategic Defense Initiative, “Star Wars,”and four years later the USSR was formally dissolved.

Today....December 26th,
1991 The USSR was formally dissolved.




[Joseph Stalin, Franklin Roosevelt's BFF,] "..... cruelty is so perverse that even those who serve him are in constant fear for their lives. Stalin has a standing order that none of his bodyguards are to enter his bedroom. Ever. Once, just to test them, he lay on his bed and screamed out in agony. Thinking the Soviet leader was in mortal danger, the guards rushed into the room to save his life. Stalin's scream was fake. He was testing his guards.

Each man was then executed for failure to follow orders.
Stalin will ultimately order between fifty million and sixty million deaths, far more than his hated rival Adolf Hitler.

The entire population of Great Britain is forty-seven million people. Stalin, in effect, will
eventually slaughter the equivalent of every man, woman, and child in Winston Churchill's beloved homeland. He will do so without compassion or guilt, all the while living a life of luxury and debauchery in stark contrast to the rigors of the Communist lifestyle his government imposes."
"Killing Patton, " chapter four, O'Reilly and Dugard





So very many deaths could have been avoided if there had been a President like Ronald Reagan as our 32nd.


Millions.

to be fair, we didn't really know how bad communism was, we knew we didn't want it b/c we knew large governments took freedom, but we couldn't predict the body count.


But if Wilson and the progs had never gotten to the Ofc, there probably would not have been a WW2 as we would have followed our Founding principles and not gotten involved in a war that had NOTHING to do with us.


this post will be followed by leftist claiming we, or at least I, supported Hitler.

"to be fair, we didn't really know how bad communism was,..."

Not so.

1. . FDR came into office March 4th of 1933. On November 16, 1933, President Roosevelt rushed to embrace....recognize...the USSR. If this act, based on FDR's additional pro-Soviet endeavors, was rational....then these folks must have been irrational: "Four Presidents and their six Secretaries of State for over a decade and a half held to this resolve," i.e., refusal to recognize the Soviet government. That was written by Herbert Hoover, one of those four Presidents. He wrote it in his "Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover's Secret History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath"by George H. Nash, published posthumously, obviously, in 2011, pg 24-29.


2. Here is the question:was Roosevelt aware of the homicidal pathology of communism, and if so, shouldn't he have considered same as a reason to put off recognition until he persuaded a change in those policies?


a.He knew.
Eight months earlier, journalist Gareth Jones had exposed Stalin's Terror Famine:
"In the train a Communist denied to me that there was a famine. I flung a crust of bread which I had been eating from my own supply into a spittoon. A peasant fellow-passenger fished it out and ravenously ate it."
Gareth Jones journalist - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

b. Malcolm Muggeridge "was the first writer to revealthe true nature of Stalin s regime when in 1933he exposed the terror famine in the Ukraine. "
Amazon.com Time and Eternity The Uncollected Writings of Malcolm Muggeridge 9781570759055 Malcolm Muggeridge Nicholas Flynn Books

c. So FDR knew of the Terror Famine...designed and perpetrated by 'Uncle Joe,'...yet heenveloped Joe Stalin in " the cloak of his popularity..."Time Magazine, December 17, 1934.

OK....so Roosevelt knew the nature of the other side when he offered the partnership....entry into the accepted world community.
There can be no doubt that Roosevelt knew.



FDR conspired to back up every lie the Soviets told.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR was Stalin's sock puppet, as devoid of principle as his Master, Uncle Joe.

Stalin starved 6MM people to death and he was still FDR's mentor and guiding star

But...but.....in another thread some guys told me that Franklin Delano Roosevelt was "the moral compass of our nation."

'So are they all, all honorable men, —' these friends of Roosevelt....

what fool claimed that?

what's moral about infecting poor black people with VD?
what's moral about rounding up innocent men, women and CHILDREN, and putting them in prison camps?

fdr was the most evil person to ever be Pres

"what fool claimed that?"
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[PoliticalChic]

October 13th,
1986 Reykjavik, Iceland: in the last great battle of the Cold War, President Reagan
refused to accede to Mikhail Gorbachev’s demand to abandon the Strategic Defense Initiative, “Star Wars,”and four years later the USSR was formally dissolved.

Today....December 26th,
1991 The USSR was formally dissolved.




[Joseph Stalin, Franklin Roosevelt's BFF,] "..... cruelty is so perverse that even those who serve him are in constant fear for their lives. Stalin has a standing order that none of his bodyguards are to enter his bedroom. Ever. Once, just to test them, he lay on his bed and screamed out in agony. Thinking the Soviet leader was in mortal danger, the guards rushed into the room to save his life. Stalin's scream was fake. He was testing his guards.

Each man was then executed for failure to follow orders.
Stalin will ultimately order between fifty million and sixty million deaths, far more than his hated rival Adolf Hitler.

The entire population of Great Britain is forty-seven million people. Stalin, in effect, will
eventually slaughter the equivalent of every man, woman, and child in Winston Churchill's beloved homeland. He will do so without compassion or guilt, all the while living a life of luxury and debauchery in stark contrast to the rigors of the Communist lifestyle his government imposes."
"Killing Patton, " chapter four, O'Reilly and Dugard





So very many deaths could have been avoided if there had been a President like Ronald Reagan as our 32nd.


Millions.

to be fair, we didn't really know how bad communism was, we knew we didn't want it b/c we knew large governments took freedom, but we couldn't predict the body count.


But if Wilson and the progs had never gotten to the Ofc, there probably would not have been a WW2 as we would have followed our Founding principles and not gotten involved in a war that had NOTHING to do with us.


this post will be followed by leftist claiming we, or at least I, supported Hitler.

TheOldSchool rated your post

Funny in the thread Two Dates That Set FDR Spinning In His Grave.
Yesterday at 4:55 PM

over 100,000 Americans died and the oldschool thinks it's funny

There are cowards who use the 'funny' emoticon because they don't have he knowledge or the guts to try to confront the post.



Happy New Year, TT