Turkish naval warships to accompany Turkish prime minister on the next aid mission

[GHook93]

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You have a very incompetent mouth, when it comes to foreign policy.

@topic
Now, most people know this about Turkey:
It is Muslim, the rest are assumptions whereby the assumptions are defined by the views of how an assumption-making person views Muslims in general.
There is no chance a Turkish Prime Minister joins an aid mission.
If Prime MInister intends to visit Gaza, this will be done through appropriate channels: Protocoll of State-Visit and off course all preparations would be met to ensure saftey of Prime Minister.

To the folks, that believe, Turkey would be crushed in a military stand-off:
A land conflict between Israel-Turkey is impossible without Syrian participation. It is the laws of geography and a non-existant border between Israel-Turkey.
So conflict would be in air and sea.
Both airforces have air-refueling capacity, and the distances are short. No matter if the conflict would be near to Turkish or Israelian coast, it is in the reach of both Air-Forces.
Israelian Navy is a coastal guard, Turkish Navy is multiple times bigger and in the transformation period to a "Blue sea"-navy.
As such, Turkish Navy has different warships with different purpose: Anti-Air-Warfare, Multi-Role, Anti-Submarine etc...

Israel:
- 3 Corvettes
- 3 Submarines
Israeli Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Turkey:
- 19 Frigates
- 7 Corvettes
- 10 Submarines
Turkish Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If there is to be a conflict, it must be in the next coming years.
Why?
Turkish Navy is building additional war-ships that are cumulative multiple times bigger then current Israelian Navy.
- 6 state-of-the art AAW Frigates, with the tonnage of a destroyer.
TF2000 class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
- 12 new Corvettes
Milgem class corvette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
- 6 new Submarines
Type 214 submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the next years, Turkish Navy will have this size, accordingly to the transformation into a "blue-sea" navy:
- 25 Frigates
- 19 Corvettes
- 16 Submarines

Israelian Navy would be sunk at first sight, probably within hours, and the various warships would at this point take their duty according to their built roles like Anti-Air-Warfare.
Off course, Turkish Navy would also apply commercial Sea Bloackade of Israel.
Welcome in the real world!

Also, people tend to believe, in a conflict, the states do only utilize existing forces.
No. Civilian capabilities are re-directed to the war-efforts, budgets are adjusted to Procurement. Industry might be switched to war-economy.
Without generous aids from the outside world, Israel can't replace its hardware at the rate it will be sunk or is being shot-down.
The procurement and replacement factor, short, the "putting new toys on battlefield"-process will be performed in a much more serious way by Turkey.
That is not a claim but follows rules of Economics -->:

Israel GDP:
$206.9 billion (2009 est.)
Economy of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Turkey GDP:
$880.061 billion[2] (2009 est.)
Economy of Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you ask me, the more the conflict widens in time, the more I would bet on Turkey. Especially when Israel relies on the seas for its commerce and Turkish Navy would apply the "I have to redirect your commercial ship to North-Cyprus for inspections"-game. The Israelis know this game, but not from this point of game-changer.

As a person who speaks also fluent German I read also German sources.
In general it can be said, that German media does not buy Israelian propaganda like US public does.
So it is: USA and Israel have a special relation on level of Public Relations.
The Israeli strategy seems to link Turkey to Radicalism, whilst this might play in US public it does not play elsewhere.
Other societies do have more knowledge of Turkey.

Ongoing Turkish contribution to world peace:
- UNMIS (UN mission in Sudan)
- UNOMIG (UN Mission in Georgia)
- ALTHEA (EU Mission in Bosnia-Hercegovina)
- KFOR (NATO Mission in Kosovo)
- ISAF (NATO Mission in Afghanistan)
- UNIFIL (UN Mission in Lebanon)
- Pirate Mission in Gulf of Aden
Turkish General Staff Official Web Site - Main Page

Independent from the question of Turkish membership in NATO, Turkey will in future contribute to peace and stability missions as a responsibility to world community.
People who say, Turkey should be kicked out of NATO have an arrogant approach that comes from nescience of world and geopolitics.
Turkey is not kicked out, Turkey might leave NATO out of own motivation in near future, which is a possibility.

Only the morons have no infos on Turkey, those kind of people just know Turkey is Muslim and reflect their assumptions based on their general view of Muslims on Turkey.
US public is certainly not world public, and US public might in future still influence US administration, but US administration looses year for year its "Washington decides, world has to follow" kind of world system.
Hail the 21st century, and hail all ascending powers in this transformation phase!!!

Now coming back to Israel-Turkey.
I can exclude military stand-off. But in this evolving 21century order, noone has the luxury to (quoting George Friedman here) make assumptions that are invalidated and were valid decades ago. World moves on.
The Israelis can't see the world of 2015, 2020.
In that near future's world, nothing in the Middle-East will be done against Turkey's interest.
By 2023, Turkey will be 10th biggest world economy as a non-resource Eurasian country,
usmb.com weak-man of West-Asia
will have consolidated economic integration with its surrounding regions. Israelians will still be sucking US cock, intriguing the US public from Washington and will mourn US's "getting things done"-capability of the 20th century.

In the world of near future, Turkey will seek support besides Washington also from other world powers, and Turkey will be a country whose support will be sought by others.

Have further fun in your blackmail rhetoric strategy, mixing some words like Terrorism/Radicalism into one soup that in end-effect will be spooned by yourself and will not take you anywhere other then a blind alley. You are just some Christo-Judeanofascists with whom the relations have to be reduced just to a neutral commercial level.

Yes because wikipedia is the most reliable source. Intereting you try to state that Israel has 6 ships, when even wikipedia states it has 85 ships. Second, Israel does its best to keep its military strength a secret. No chance wikipedia got the beat on it.

Israel is widely known, with the backing of the US, to have the largest and most advanced Navy and Air Force in the region!

Turkey has a larger GDP, that's your argument corrected. Yet you don't take into account that Turkey is a 20 fold larger country with a much larger population. The larger GDP is not a much as an advantage as you make it seem.

Don't forget Turkey is still a 3rd world country, Israel is a 1st!

 

[GHook93]

I have no idea who would "win" the day between Isreal and Turkey, but I'm fairly sure that such an event would not bode well for US interests, either way.

I find it rather amusing that some of you are rattling sabers (or in this case is it scimitars?) as though you'd like to see this escalate into full blown war.

Let me remind you chickenhawks (yeah, that's right, chickenhawks -- none of you are going to be combatants -- what else can we think?) these two nations are both allied to the USA.

So you Americans with a blood lust for this war (regardless for whom you cheer to win) are not being especially patriotic.

Some are calling for war, but most are just comparing armies based on the highschooler Bluballs praying for a 2nd holocaust in the opening OP!

 

[Shai]

Turkey calls protest in front of embassy 'provocation'


Published: 06.08.10, 17:52 / Israel News


Turkey recently issued a formal complaint with the Israeli Ambassador to Turkey Gabi Levy against the mass protest of Israeli citizens held outside the Turkish embassy in Tel Aviv. Amb. Levy was summoned to the Foreign Ministry in Ankara.

Levy was told that the protest was "an incomprehensible and unacceptable provocation" because the casualties on the flotilla were Turkish citizens. Levy responded that licensed protests are acceptable in a democratic society, and mentioned the protest that Turkish citizens held in front of his residence last week. (Roni Sofer)

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3902245,00.html

 

[GHook93]

The most important thing about this whole Turkey/Israel pissing contest is that we stay the fuck out of it.

We have stayed out of every Israeli war, except when Israel was kicking the shit out of the opponent we tell Israel to stop or else (happened in '53, '67, '73, '06 and '08) and in '48 when we put an embargo on the area.

I think we should do whatever to try to stop the aggression of Turkey on Israeli soverneighty through diaplomatic means, get Germany, France, Italy and Britian involved.

Where is Obama is is absolute mute on this? Not a smart move, because he will definitely be a vocal liberal douche bag if a war occurs. This might be intentional. It could be a calculated move. He could be doing this to allow further separation of the US from Israel! Rev. Wright might be advising him here.


I digess, in the event that Israel is losing the war, she won't be defeated. The negative implications of an Israel backed in a corner facing annihilation and extermination would be beyond catastrophic. First, Israel would nuke Anakara and other cities and Turkish military capacities. Armenia and Kurdistan will be watering at the mouth. They will take very rapidly from a helpless and leaderless Turkey. Second, would be kicking all the Palestinians out of Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The world will be against Israel at that point; however, the Arab world would be more than frightened to directly confront Israel. Third, fourth, fifth, sixth etc., would be a nightmares (as if the first two won't be) and I'm not sure what would happen

Tell you one thing it won't be fun being a Jew anywhere in the world. I guarantee I will be going to the first Church to convert the family and I, whether my wife wants to or not. The last name would also be changed.

 

[Shorebreak]

This isn't about Turkey. We've been dancing with them for years with huge military contracts, training, treaties, and all other sorts of commitments and mutual agreements.

For example, the US gave the Israeli's a thumbs up to attack the aid flotilla (including the killing of an American teenager with four bullets in the head, and assault of a US flagged American vessel). There was explicit knowledge that the majority of the victims would be Turkish and that the largest vessels facing attack were Turkish in origin.

Does anyone really, truly believe that the Turks - who have the 2nd largest lobby in Washington next to israel - were caught of gaurd by this? They weren't. The Turkish PM is playing a PR game to manipulate Turkish and international public opinion. Just like the Obama Administration and the Knesset are doing.

Now lets consider the situation from a strategic perspective. Consider the following points:

Turkey is the gateway between the markets of Europe and the Middle East, which lies at the crossroads of three continents. Turkey is a member of the European Union.

Israel, specifically Jerusalem, is currently the planned administrative head of MEFTA - the Middle East Free Trade Area - which was started by the George W. Bush Administration in participation with the World Trade Organization, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and the United Nations.

There is a nation called Syria, immediately north of israel (and adjacent to Lebanon) which occupies the geographic space between Turkey and Israel. Syria is firmly and ideologically opposed to integration into an international system of economics and government. They strongly wish to remain sovereign and will not integrate peacefully.

So.... if Turkey were to engage in a land war with Israel, how would Turkish forces engage the IDF? They would have to move through Syria, which Israel would probably decapitate - possibly decapitating Iran at the same time - with strikes on Damascus and Tehran.

Under those circumstances, if Turkey called off the attack, there would no longer be an economic or political entity that is preventing full implementation of MEFTA throughout the Middle East, and all geographic regions would be open to enable full integration into a trade bloc similar to the EU, which would dominate the global crossroads between EWurope, Africa, and Asia, while simultaneously dominating the global center for energy resources.

Back in 1991, President GWH Bush gave a speech to the United Nations where he stated that there would be growing pains on the road to a New World Order. That's what we are experiencing today in the Middle East/Central Asia, and in the global economic markets.

 

[GHook93]

This isn't about Turkey. We've been dancing with them for years with huge military contracts, training, treaties, and all other sorts of commitments and mutual agreements.

You do realize that ISRAEL has just as many military contracts!

For example, the US gave the Israeli's a thumbs up to attack the aid flotilla

Are you brain dead we didn't give any thumbs up to anything! The Israel's didn't attack until attacked upon. They were fully within their rights to engage the boat.

(including the killing of an American teenager with four bullets in the head, and assault of a US flagged American vessel).

He was attacking IDF commandos. Sometimes when you mess with the Bull you get the horns!

There was explicit knowledge that the majority of the victims would be Turkish and that the largest vessels facing attack were Turkish in origin.

First they weren't the victims they were the unlawful aggressor and prepetrators! Second, alll the other ships were docked without incident, including the Irish one yesterday, to which inspections were made and the good where delivered to Gaza!

Does anyone really, truly believe that the Turks - who have the 2nd largest lobby in Washington next to israel - were caught of gaurd by this? They weren't. The Turkish PM is playing a PR game to manipulate Turkish and international public opinion. Just like the Obama Administration and the Knesset are doing.

Do your homework! Neither the Turks or Israelis are close to being the largest lobbies in Washington. I started a thread on it! You will ignore it, because you are dishonest!
http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...t-the-jewish-lobby-influence-myth-to-bed.html

Your right Turkey made a calculated move and LOST. They wanted to appear as the leaders of the Middle East and a hero to the Arabs, while making them look like humanitarians to the leftist hypocrites in Europe and America!

Turkey is the gateway between the markets of Europe and the Middle East, which lies at the crossroads of three continents.

LOL, no they are not. Where do you get that bullshit?

Turkey is a member of the European Union.

Glad you have done your research. They have never been a member!

Israel, specifically Jerusalem, is currently the planned administrative head of MEFTA - the Middle East Free Trade Area - which was started by the George W. Bush Administration in participation with the World Trade Organization, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and the United Nations.

Which means?????

There is a nation called Syria, immediately north of israel (and adjacent to Lebanon) which occupies the geographic space between Turkey and Israel. Syria is firmly and ideologically opposed to integration into an international system of economics and government. They strongly wish to remain sovereign and will not integrate peacefully.

So.... if Turkey were to engage in a land war with Israel, how would Turkish forces engage the IDF? They would have to move through Syria, which Israel would probably decapitate - possibly decapitating Iran at the same time - with strikes on Damascus and Tehran.

I am pretty sure, Syria would be all for this! However, you leave out the point that Erogdan is only barking!

 

[CMike]

Turkey calls protest in front of embassy 'provocation'


Published: 06.08.10, 17:52 / Israel News


Turkey recently issued a formal complaint with the Israeli Ambassador to Turkey Gabi Levy against the mass protest of Israeli citizens held outside the Turkish embassy in Tel Aviv. Amb. mentioned the protest that Turkish citizens held in front of his residence last week. (Roni Sofer)

Turkey calls protest in front of embassy 'provocation' - Israel News, Ynetnews

The turkey has gone insane.

 

[CMike]

Turkey has truly gone completely insane.

 

[saveliberty]

Turkey has truly gone completely insane.

It is a virus. O1N1 I think. Started back in January 2009. Stands for 0bama won so noboby won.

 

[P F Tinmore]

GHook93

Second, alll the other ships were docked without incident, including the Irish one yesterday, to which inspections were made and the good where delivered to Gaza!

Could you provide a link?

 

[nraforlife]

.....................
I'll ask you again to change your screen name ....................

G_d Despises you and yours.

 

[Shai]

GHook93

Second, alll the other ships were docked without incident, including the Irish one yesterday, to which inspections were made and the good where delivered to Gaza!

Could you provide a link?

-Israel diverts Gaza aid ship Rachel Corrie to Ashdod:

-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed the peaceful outcome to the operation.
The Israeli military issued footage of the Rachel Corrie boarding
"We saw today the difference between a ship of peace activists, with whom we don't agree but respect their right to a different opinion from ours, and between a ship of hate organised by violent Turkish terror extremists," Mr Netanyahu's office quoted him as saying.

-Israel says its policies towards Gaza will not change while Hamas remains in power and while rockets continue to be fired from Gaza into Israel.

The all artical with vids here:

BBC News - Israel diverts Gaza aid ship Rachel Corrie to Ashdod


If you want more links just tell me.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

GHook93

Second, alll the other ships were docked without incident, including the Irish one yesterday, to which inspections were made and the good where delivered to Gaza!

Could you provide a link?

-Israel diverts Gaza aid ship Rachel Corrie to Ashdod:

-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed the peaceful outcome to the operation.
The Israeli military issued footage of the Rachel Corrie boarding
"We saw today the difference between a ship of peace activists, with whom we don't agree but respect their right to a different opinion from ours, and between a ship of hate organised by violent Turkish terror extremists," Mr Netanyahu's office quoted him as saying.

-Israel says its policies towards Gaza will not change while Hamas remains in power and while rockets continue to be fired from Gaza into Israel.

The all artical with vids here:

BBC News - Israel diverts Gaza aid ship Rachel Corrie to Ashdod


If you want more links just tell me.

Thanks....maybe PooFter Tinpan will shut the fuck up now...and admit the whole incident previous to this was a set-up to embarrass the Israeli government.

 

[P F Tinmore]

GHook93

Second, alll the other ships were docked without incident, including the Irish one yesterday, to which inspections were made and the good where delivered to Gaza!

Could you provide a link?

-Israel diverts Gaza aid ship Rachel Corrie to Ashdod:

-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed the peaceful outcome to the operation.
The Israeli military issued footage of the Rachel Corrie boarding
"We saw today the difference between a ship of peace activists, with whom we don't agree but respect their right to a different opinion from ours, and between a ship of hate organised by violent Turkish terror extremists," Mr Netanyahu's office quoted him as saying.

-Israel says its policies towards Gaza will not change while Hamas remains in power and while rockets continue to be fired from Gaza into Israel.

The all artical with vids here:

BBC News - Israel diverts Gaza aid ship Rachel Corrie to Ashdod


If you want more links just tell me.

Thank you. GHook said that the goods were delivered to Gaza. I thought that they had not and requested proof. The article proved that GHook was wrong.

 

[Shai]

Could you provide a link?

-Israel diverts Gaza aid ship Rachel Corrie to Ashdod:

-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed the peaceful outcome to the operation.
The Israeli military issued footage of the Rachel Corrie boarding
"We saw today the difference between a ship of peace activists, with whom we don't agree but respect their right to a different opinion from ours, and between a ship of hate organised by violent Turkish terror extremists," Mr Netanyahu's office quoted him as saying.

-Israel says its policies towards Gaza will not change while Hamas remains in power and while rockets continue to be fired from Gaza into Israel.

The all artical with vids here:

BBC News - Israel diverts Gaza aid ship Rachel Corrie to Ashdod


If you want more links just tell me.

Thank you. GHook said that the goods were delivered to Gaza. I thought that they had not and requested proof. The article proved that GHook was wrong.

Israel said it would transfer the aid to the Gaza Strip by land after checking the cargo for banned items.



Hamas Refuses Flotilla Aid
By CHARLES JOHNSON


You know that cargo that was so vitally important to deliver to the Palestinian people of Gaza? So important that peace activists put together a flotilla of Turkish ships and tried to run a blockade to get it there as soon as possible, before anyone else suffered and died waiting for it?

Well, Israel has offloaded and inspected the cargo (at least some of which is apparently useless junk) and now is ready to deliver it (minus the gas masks and body armor).

But Hamas is refusing to accept it.

Jerusalem (CNN) — Israel has attempted to deliver humanitarian aid from an international flotilla to Gaza, but Hamas — which controls the territory — has refused to accept the cargo, the Israel Defense Forces said Wednesday.

Palestinian sources confirmed that trucks that arrived from Israel at the Rafah terminal at the Israel-Gaza border were barred from delivering the aid.

Ra’ed Fatooh, in charge of the crossings, and Jamal Khudari, head of a committee against the Gaza blockade, said Israel must release all flotilla detainees and that it will be accepted in the territory only by the Free Gaza Movement people who organized the flotilla.

Israel said it had 20 trucks of aid found on the ships, such as expired medications, clothing, blankets, some medical equipment and toys.

Do we need any more evidence that the entire incident was a staged setup, designed to generate a propaganda victory for Hamas? But there will be people, no doubt, who look at this and applaud Hamas for taking a brave stand on principle — while blithely ignoring the fact that this gang of terrorists couldn’t possibly care less about building a productive society for the people of Gaza.

 

[editec]

Do I doubt that this "humanitarian mission" is ALSO a propaganda mission?

Of course not!

It's both!

 

[PatekPhilippe]

-Israel diverts Gaza aid ship Rachel Corrie to Ashdod:

-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed the peaceful outcome to the operation.
The Israeli military issued footage of the Rachel Corrie boarding
"We saw today the difference between a ship of peace activists, with whom we don't agree but respect their right to a different opinion from ours, and between a ship of hate organised by violent Turkish terror extremists," Mr Netanyahu's office quoted him as saying.

-Israel says its policies towards Gaza will not change while Hamas remains in power and while rockets continue to be fired from Gaza into Israel.

The all artical with vids here:

BBC News - Israel diverts Gaza aid ship Rachel Corrie to Ashdod


If you want more links just tell me.

Thank you. GHook said that the goods were delivered to Gaza. I thought that they had not and requested proof. The article proved that GHook was wrong.

Israel said it would transfer the aid to the Gaza Strip by land after checking the cargo for banned items.



Hamas Refuses Flotilla Aid
By CHARLES JOHNSON


You know that cargo that was so vitally important to deliver to the Palestinian people of Gaza? So important that peace activists put together a flotilla of Turkish ships and tried to run a blockade to get it there as soon as possible, before anyone else suffered and died waiting for it?

Well, Israel has offloaded and inspected the cargo (at least some of which is apparently useless junk) and now is ready to deliver it (minus the gas masks and body armor).

But Hamas is refusing to accept it.

Jerusalem (CNN) — Israel has attempted to deliver humanitarian aid from an international flotilla to Gaza, but Hamas — which controls the territory — has refused to accept the cargo, the Israel Defense Forces said Wednesday.

Palestinian sources confirmed that trucks that arrived from Israel at the Rafah terminal at the Israel-Gaza border were barred from delivering the aid.

Ra’ed Fatooh, in charge of the crossings, and Jamal Khudari, head of a committee against the Gaza blockade, said Israel must release all flotilla detainees and that it will be accepted in the territory only by the Free Gaza Movement people who organized the flotilla.

Israel said it had 20 trucks of aid found on the ships, such as expired medications, clothing, blankets, some medical equipment and toys.

Do we need any more evidence that the entire incident was a staged setup, designed to generate a propaganda victory for Hamas? But there will be people, no doubt, who look at this and applaud Hamas for taking a brave stand on principle — while blithely ignoring the fact that this gang of terrorists couldn’t possibly care less about building a productive society for the people of Gaza.

Dohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[P F Tinmore]

-Israel diverts Gaza aid ship Rachel Corrie to Ashdod:

-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed the peaceful outcome to the operation.
The Israeli military issued footage of the Rachel Corrie boarding
"We saw today the difference between a ship of peace activists, with whom we don't agree but respect their right to a different opinion from ours, and between a ship of hate organised by violent Turkish terror extremists," Mr Netanyahu's office quoted him as saying.

-Israel says its policies towards Gaza will not change while Hamas remains in power and while rockets continue to be fired from Gaza into Israel.

The all artical with vids here:

BBC News - Israel diverts Gaza aid ship Rachel Corrie to Ashdod


If you want more links just tell me.

Thank you. GHook said that the goods were delivered to Gaza. I thought that they had not and requested proof. The article proved that GHook was wrong.

Israel said it would transfer the aid to the Gaza Strip by land after checking the cargo for banned items.



Hamas Refuses Flotilla Aid
By CHARLES JOHNSON


You know that cargo that was so vitally important to deliver to the Palestinian people of Gaza? So important that peace activists put together a flotilla of Turkish ships and tried to run a blockade to get it there as soon as possible, before anyone else suffered and died waiting for it?

Well, Israel has offloaded and inspected the cargo (at least some of which is apparently useless junk) and now is ready to deliver it (minus the gas masks and body armor).

But Hamas is refusing to accept it.

Jerusalem (CNN) — Israel has attempted to deliver humanitarian aid from an international flotilla to Gaza, but Hamas — which controls the territory — has refused to accept the cargo, the Israel Defense Forces said Wednesday.

Palestinian sources confirmed that trucks that arrived from Israel at the Rafah terminal at the Israel-Gaza border were barred from delivering the aid.

Ra’ed Fatooh, in charge of the crossings, and Jamal Khudari, head of a committee against the Gaza blockade, said Israel must release all flotilla detainees and that it will be accepted in the territory only by the Free Gaza Movement people who organized the flotilla.

Israel said it had 20 trucks of aid found on the ships, such as expired medications, clothing, blankets, some medical equipment and toys.

Do we need any more evidence that the entire incident was a staged setup, designed to generate a propaganda victory for Hamas? But there will be people, no doubt, who look at this and applaud Hamas for taking a brave stand on principle — while blithely ignoring the fact that this gang of terrorists couldn’t possibly care less about building a productive society for the people of Gaza.

Israel said it would transfer the aid to the Gaza Strip by land after checking the cargo for banned items.

IOW, Gaza is not going to get the aid.

...while blithely ignoring the fact that this gang of terrorists couldn’t possibly care less about building a productive society for the people of Gaza.

What the propagandists do not tell you is that the banned items are precisely the Items Gaza needs to build a productive society.

Another thing the propagandists do not tell you is why Hamas refused the aid.

1) Hamas would not accept the aid until all captives were released.

2) Hamas would not accept aid that did not include everything sent. Why should Hamas accept a little more of what it was already getting while not getting what it needs?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Thank you. GHook said that the goods were delivered to Gaza. I thought that they had not and requested proof. The article proved that GHook was wrong.

Israel said it would transfer the aid to the Gaza Strip by land after checking the cargo for banned items.



Hamas Refuses Flotilla Aid
By CHARLES JOHNSON


You know that cargo that was so vitally important to deliver to the Palestinian people of Gaza? So important that peace activists put together a flotilla of Turkish ships and tried to run a blockade to get it there as soon as possible, before anyone else suffered and died waiting for it?

Well, Israel has offloaded and inspected the cargo (at least some of which is apparently useless junk) and now is ready to deliver it (minus the gas masks and body armor).

But Hamas is refusing to accept it.

Jerusalem (CNN) — Israel has attempted to deliver humanitarian aid from an international flotilla to Gaza, but Hamas — which controls the territory — has refused to accept the cargo, the Israel Defense Forces said Wednesday.

Palestinian sources confirmed that trucks that arrived from Israel at the Rafah terminal at the Israel-Gaza border were barred from delivering the aid.

Ra’ed Fatooh, in charge of the crossings, and Jamal Khudari, head of a committee against the Gaza blockade, said Israel must release all flotilla detainees and that it will be accepted in the territory only by the Free Gaza Movement people who organized the flotilla.

Israel said it had 20 trucks of aid found on the ships, such as expired medications, clothing, blankets, some medical equipment and toys.

Do we need any more evidence that the entire incident was a staged setup, designed to generate a propaganda victory for Hamas? But there will be people, no doubt, who look at this and applaud Hamas for taking a brave stand on principle — while blithely ignoring the fact that this gang of terrorists couldn’t possibly care less about building a productive society for the people of Gaza.

Dohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Jerusalem (CNN)...

Nothing else needs to be said.

 

[CMike]

Hamas could end the blockade at any time by recognizing Israel, renouncing violence, and stopping shooting missiles into Israeli cities.

They choose not to.