Trump's Russian connections......Possible outcomes

[xyz]

There are a lot of Russian agents, I wonder about this "whistleblower":
Time To Investigate Paul Ryan After He Gives False Information To Defend Devin Nunes

Now covering stuff up may not prove direct links to Russia, but if the cover-ups are illegal and made-up, there is clear reason to suspect something is up...

 

[rightwinger]

Not only Trump but his whole team is involved in this treason

he's toast, so is Pence

special elections time

Depending which outcome is proven, Trump may or may not be charged

Outcome 1: Everyone dances, no charges filed, the issue is forgotten

Outcome 2: Trump aides are charged, they take the fall, Trump claims...I knew nothing about it. Politically embarrassing but Trump probably suffers little political fallout

Outcome 3: Trump aides charged with Treason. Trump takes the 5th, Trumps whole election is considered bogus. Trump either resigns or becomes politically neutered. Dems swamp Republicans in the election

Outcome 4: Trump is indicted for Treason. He resigns but is still impeached. If Pence was in no way connected, he becomes President. If he is.....Paul Ryan takes over. Republicans are humiliated. Dems take over the government

A possible "Outcome 5"

The FBI finds no evidence to indicate Trump is complicit but Putin has reams of evidence tying Trump to a "this for that" exchange. Putin uses this evidence to blackmail Trump

 

[JakeStarkey]

That's possible, RW.

So is that the intel caught one of the Russian agents and turned him against the masters in the Trump organization.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm more concerned with the Clintons.


Mob Boss Hillary Clinton has made a career of selling favors to the extremely rich and powerful. From her early days of defrauding Little Rock Businesses with threats of crippling witch hunt investigations by the Attorney General, her husband and lackey Bill, to the brokering of uranium sales to Vladamir Putin, Hillary has been in the pocket of those who could pay.


The connections to big oil like Exxon Mobil, Duke Energy, Citi Bank, are well known. Exxon and Duke move Russian oil to Europe, the Clinton Mob has their hands in it. Citi is the major financier for the Russian oil trade working with Moscow based Alfa Bank. The Clinton crime family has received huge sums from Citi. Interestingly enough, many of the ties to the Clinton Mob also trace back to the Bush family, partially explaining the demand of Dubya that Citi be bailed out in 2008.


Selling Uranium to Putin:


{In 2015, The New York Times reported on the ties between the Clinton Foundation and its board member, Canadian Financier Frank Giustra, as a Russian company pushed for control of United States based uranium resources. In 2008, The New York Times reported that Giustra donated millions of dollars to gain access to the Clintons and used his relationship as leverage in a multi-million-dollar uranium deal in the former Soviet Union Republic of Kazakhstan, which Bill Clinton visited with him.}


This dirty little deal reveals the close ties of the Clinton Mob and Russia and illustrates the crime family working AS AN AGENT of the Russian government.


Direct Payments from Russia:


{In June 2010, Bill Clinton visited Moscow to give a keynote speech for $500,000 to Renaissance Capital, a Russian investment bank owned by Mikhail Prokhorov, who owns the Brooklyn Nets, Barclays Center Arena, and several other entertainment venues in Brooklyn. In 2015, The Wall Street Journal reported that Clinton received a personal thank you note for the speech from Vladimir Putin and a press release from Renaissance Capital noted that the conference was attended by several Russian officials and corporate leaders.}


A cool half million from Putin to the Clinton mob, no need for a go between. This was at a time when Mafia Don Hillary was Secretary of State and close to the time Barack Obama was promising "flexibility" in dealing with Putin.


Ties to the Russian Mob:


International crime is a major factor in our world. That an American crime family like the Clintons would align themselves with Russian mobsters is not surprising, and in fact fully expected.


Billionaire Mikhail Fridman, the founder and owner of the Russia-based Alfa Bank is one of the premiere heads of organized crime in Russia. In 2003, Bill Clinton presented the Golden Plate Award of the International Academy of Achievement in Washington D.C. to this close associate of theirs.


In 2016, Bloomberg reported that Bill Clinton’s Chief of Staff Thomas McLarty III was advising Fridman’s company LetterOne about investing $3 billion in the United States’ healthcare system.


{Emails obtained from the conservative group Citizens United revealed that the Clinton Foundation staff pushed Hillary Clinton’s State Department to meet with Russian billionaire Viktor Veselberg, who has donated at least $50,000 to the Clinton Foundation.}


KGB Links:


The Russian Mob grew out of the former KGB, so it is of little surprise that many Clinton confidants are former KGB agents including Putin himself.


{Billionaire Gennady Timchenko, who is rumored to be a former KGB agent, acquired several holdings of Clinton donor Tom Steyer’s hedge fund in 2010.}


{Russian billionaire Leonard Blavatnik’s wife has donated $33,400 to the Democratic Party and gave the maximum donation for an individual, $2,700, to Hillary Clinton during her presidential campaign. Daria Zhukova, the wife of Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich, a Putin ally, donated the same amount.}


The Podesta Link:


Last week I pointed out, as did many others on this board, that Mob Boss Hillary Clinton's chief of staff, John Podesta was neck deep in dealing with Russia. John runs the Podesta Group with his brother Tony. The Podesta group;


{in 2016 lobbied on behalf of Sberbank, which is owned by the Russian Central Bank. The firm also lobbied for a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine, the same one that caused Trump adviser Paul Manafort to resign in embarrassment after it was revealed that he worked for former pro-Russian Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych. Politico reported that the revelations about Manafort were provided to the Clinton campaign from the Ukrainian government through a DNC consultant who met with Ukrainian officials at the Ukrainian embassy in Washington D.C.}



References:


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/...s-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

Hillary's Russia Connection

Speaking Fees Meet Politics for Clintons

The Clintons’ Neoliberal Dystopian Ties to Russia’s Billionaires

 

[JakeStarkey]

Clinton? Did you say Clinton? Gowdy had nothing on Clinton after eight years. No one has anything on Clinton.

It's all Trump all the Time now for the FBI.

 

[rightwinger]

I'm more concerned with the Clintons.


Mob Boss Hillary Clinton has made a career of selling favors to the extremely rich and powerful. From her early days of defrauding Little Rock Businesses with threats of crippling witch hunt investigations by the Attorney General, her husband and lackey Bill, to the brokering of uranium sales to Vladamir Putin, Hillary has been in the pocket of those who could pay.


The connections to big oil like Exxon Mobil, Duke Energy, Citi Bank, are well known. Exxon and Duke move Russian oil to Europe, the Clinton Mob has their hands in it. Citi is the major financier for the Russian oil trade working with Moscow based Alfa Bank. The Clinton crime family has received huge sums from Citi. Interestingly enough, many of the ties to the Clinton Mob also trace back to the Bush family, partially explaining the demand of Dubya that Citi be bailed out in 2008.


Selling Uranium to Putin:


{In 2015, The New York Times reported on the ties between the Clinton Foundation and its board member, Canadian Financier Frank Giustra, as a Russian company pushed for control of United States based uranium resources. In 2008, The New York Times reported that Giustra donated millions of dollars to gain access to the Clintons and used his relationship as leverage in a multi-million-dollar uranium deal in the former Soviet Union Republic of Kazakhstan, which Bill Clinton visited with him.}


This dirty little deal reveals the close ties of the Clinton Mob and Russia and illustrates the crime family working AS AN AGENT of the Russian government.


Direct Payments from Russia:


{In June 2010, Bill Clinton visited Moscow to give a keynote speech for $500,000 to Renaissance Capital, a Russian investment bank owned by Mikhail Prokhorov, who owns the Brooklyn Nets, Barclays Center Arena, and several other entertainment venues in Brooklyn. In 2015, The Wall Street Journal reported that Clinton received a personal thank you note for the speech from Vladimir Putin and a press release from Renaissance Capital noted that the conference was attended by several Russian officials and corporate leaders.}


A cool half million from Putin to the Clinton mob, no need for a go between. This was at a time when Mafia Don Hillary was Secretary of State and close to the time Barack Obama was promising "flexibility" in dealing with Putin.


Ties to the Russian Mob:


International crime is a major factor in our world. That an American crime family like the Clintons would align themselves with Russian mobsters is not surprising, and in fact fully expected.


Billionaire Mikhail Fridman, the founder and owner of the Russia-based Alfa Bank is one of the premiere heads of organized crime in Russia. In 2003, Bill Clinton presented the Golden Plate Award of the International Academy of Achievement in Washington D.C. to this close associate of theirs.


In 2016, Bloomberg reported that Bill Clinton’s Chief of Staff Thomas McLarty III was advising Fridman’s company LetterOne about investing $3 billion in the United States’ healthcare system.


{Emails obtained from the conservative group Citizens United revealed that the Clinton Foundation staff pushed Hillary Clinton’s State Department to meet with Russian billionaire Viktor Veselberg, who has donated at least $50,000 to the Clinton Foundation.}


KGB Links:


The Russian Mob grew out of the former KGB, so it is of little surprise that many Clinton confidants are former KGB agents including Putin himself.


{Billionaire Gennady Timchenko, who is rumored to be a former KGB agent, acquired several holdings of Clinton donor Tom Steyer’s hedge fund in 2010.}


{Russian billionaire Leonard Blavatnik’s wife has donated $33,400 to the Democratic Party and gave the maximum donation for an individual, $2,700, to Hillary Clinton during her presidential campaign. Daria Zhukova, the wife of Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich, a Putin ally, donated the same amount.}


The Podesta Link:


Last week I pointed out, as did many others on this board, that Mob Boss Hillary Clinton's chief of staff, John Podesta was neck deep in dealing with Russia. John runs the Podesta Group with his brother Tony. The Podesta group;


{in 2016 lobbied on behalf of Sberbank, which is owned by the Russian Central Bank. The firm also lobbied for a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine, the same one that caused Trump adviser Paul Manafort to resign in embarrassment after it was revealed that he worked for former pro-Russian Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych. Politico reported that the revelations about Manafort were provided to the Clinton campaign from the Ukrainian government through a DNC consultant who met with Ukrainian officials at the Ukrainian embassy in Washington D.C.}



References:


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/...s-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

Hillary's Russia Connection

Speaking Fees Meet Politics for Clintons

The Clintons’ Neoliberal Dystopian Ties to Russia’s Billionaires

Clinton is not President

Trying to deflect attention into another Clinton with hunt is not going to work

 

[rightwinger]

That's possible, RW.

So is that the intel caught one of the Russian agents and turned him against the masters in the Trump organization.

That is a problem for Trump if he is complicit. It is difficult to tie up all the loose threads. It is also difficult to have loyal henchmen who will take one for the team. Someone always take a deal to save their own ass

Nixon couldn't do it

 

[Tom Horn]

Throughout this thread I see the ascribing of "motivations" to circumstantial talking points...

We have evidence of actual actions taken by Russia and Team Trump. That is fact, not circumstantial
A connection between the two is circumstantial at this time

No you don't.

 

[Siete]

if you're an honest American the possibility of Russia being involved in our political system is alarming to say the least.

as an honest American I deserve to know, what, when, where, how and WHY evidence points to the deep connection between the POTUS, his Admin (past and present) , and Russia.

end of story.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Clinton is not President

Trying to deflect attention into another Clinton with hunt is not going to work

Thank god.

There is evidence with Clinton, you Fascists have posted none to support allegations against Trump.

 

[Tom Horn]

if you're an honest American the possibility of Russia being involved in our political system is alarming to say the least.

as an honest American I deserve to know, what, when, where, how and WHY evidence points to the deep connection between the POTUS, his Admin (past and present) , and Russia.

end of story.

But you couldn't care less that Willy and Hilly actually sold you out to Putin.

 

[yiostheoy]

What we know so far:
- Putin helped Trump get elected by hacking DNC servers and releasing information
- Trump altered the Republican Platform to aid Putin, publically defended Putin and made statements advocating US recognition of Russia's control of Crimea and lifting Russian sanctions
- Trump's representatives had meetings at this time with Russian agents and denied it

What are the possible outcomes of an investigation?

1. These actions were purely coincidence and Trump contact with the Russians was unrelated

2. Trump representatives met with Russian agents and coordinated the release of hacked information but there is no provable connection to Trump

3. Trump representatives met with Russian agents and offered policy changes in return for Russian assistance in getting elected but with no provable link to Trump

4. A direct link to Trump is established




,

The possible outcomes are --

A - Ho hum no biggie;

B - Slanderous but not illegal;

C - Gray area but not clearly illegal;

D - Illegal resulting in impeachment but acquittal;

E - Impeachment and conviction and expulsion from office.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Throughout this thread I see the ascribing of "motivations" to circumstantial talking points...

We have evidence of actual actions taken by Russia and Team Trump. That is fact, not circumstantial
A connection between the two is circumstantial at this time

Great, share that evidence, after 8 months you are the one with the evidence everyone is looking for, let's see it so we can get this Russian crap over with.
Oh and Russia said yesterday they are thinking about releasing some secrets that Obable asked them not to tell us. Wonder what that info is.


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Why the hurry for a resolution?

We have ample evidence to warrant further investigation. If that investigation is fruitless, we move on. If the investigation finds collusion, the legitimacy of our President comes into question

Or, if the first investigation is fruitless, start another investigation. Again, and again.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What we know so far:
- Putin helped Trump get elected by hacking DNC servers and releasing information

No, we do not "know" this, nor is there even evidence to support this claim.

- Trump altered the Republican Platform to aid Putin, publically defended Putin and made statements advocating US recognition of Russia's control of Crimea and lifting Russian sanctions

An utter fucking lie.

- Trump's representatives had meetings at this time with Russian agents and denied it

Possibly; as did the dems.

What are the possible outcomes of an investigation?

1. These actions were purely coincidence and Trump contact with the Russians was unrelated

2. Trump representatives met with Russian agents and coordinated the release of hacked information but there is no provable connection to Trump

3. Trump representatives met with Russian agents and offered policy changes in return for Russian assistance in getting elected but with no provable link to Trump

4. A direct link to Trump is established




,

This investigation is intended to slander and libel the Trump administration in hopes of making his administration less effective or completely paralyzing it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

if you're an honest American the possibility of Russia being involved in our political system is alarming to say the least.

as an honest American I deserve to know, what, when, where, how and WHY evidence points to the deep connection between the POTUS, his Admin (past and present) , and Russia.

end of story.

But you couldn't care less that Willy and Hilly actually sold you out to Putin.

Or that they sold out to the Chinese pre-1996.

 

[rightwinger]

Throughout this thread I see the ascribing of "motivations" to circumstantial talking points...

We have evidence of actual actions taken by Russia and Team Trump. That is fact, not circumstantial
A connection between the two is circumstantial at this time

No you don't.

Of course there is evidence

We know Putin helped Trump
We know Trump helped Putin

If there is a connection....then a crime has been committed

 

[rightwinger]

What we know so far:
- Putin helped Trump get elected by hacking DNC servers and releasing information
- Trump altered the Republican Platform to aid Putin, publically defended Putin and made statements advocating US recognition of Russia's control of Crimea and lifting Russian sanctions
- Trump's representatives had meetings at this time with Russian agents and denied it

What are the possible outcomes of an investigation?

1. These actions were purely coincidence and Trump contact with the Russians was unrelated

2. Trump representatives met with Russian agents and coordinated the release of hacked information but there is no provable connection to Trump

3. Trump representatives met with Russian agents and offered policy changes in return for Russian assistance in getting elected but with no provable link to Trump

4. A direct link to Trump is established




,

The possible outcomes are --

A - Ho hum no biggie;

B - Slanderous but not illegal;

C - Gray area but not clearly illegal;

D - Illegal resulting in impeachment but acquittal;

E - Impeachment and conviction and expulsion from office.

The finding of no connection between Trump and the Russians is still the most probable. While there is an appearance of impropriety, proving it is a different matter

Any collusion, even if it is just working with Russia to release information....would bring down the Trump Presidency

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Throughout this thread I see the ascribing of "motivations" to circumstantial talking points...

We have evidence of actual actions taken by Russia and Team Trump. That is fact, not circumstantial
A connection between the two is circumstantial at this time

No you don't.

Of course there is evidence

We know Putin helped Trump
We know Trump helped Putin

If there is a connection....then a crime has been committed

So when Obama offered to be more flexible for Putin, that was a crime?

 

[Dot Com]

What we know so far:
- Putin helped Trump get elected by hacking DNC servers and releasing information
- Trump altered the Republican Platform to aid Putin, publically defended Putin and made statements advocating US recognition of Russia's control of Crimea and lifting Russian sanctions
- Trump's representatives had meetings at this time with Russian agents and denied it

What are the possible outcomes of an investigation?

1. These actions were purely coincidence and Trump contact with the Russians was unrelated

2. Trump representatives met with Russian agents and coordinated the release of hacked information but there is no provable connection to Trump

3. Trump representatives met with Russian agents and offered policy changes in return for Russian assistance in getting elected but with no provable link to Trump

4. A direct link to Trump is established




,

ALL may be true BUT still dont mean that hiLIARy aint a paid- off Wall St shill PoS

 

[Tom Horn]

Or that they sold out to the Chinese pre-1996.

Willy got Ron Brown to allow Loral to give our rocket telemetry/gyroscopes tech to the Chi-coms for cheaper satellite-launch vehicles that wouldn't go haywire after lift-off. Of course the tech went straight to their military and was incorporated into the ICBMs aimed at us. Willy got campaign funds in return....if that isn't TREASON what is?