Trump's Jewish mediator condemns Palestinian violence

[Eloy]

You pretend to speak for the Jewish people but you are self-appointed. I suspect you fairly do represent the opinions of Zionists but not all Jews think as you do and they are citizens of the European Union, loyal to the liberal and democratic values of our democracies.

I suspect You feel really liberal and democratic trying to silence Shusha.
You are the one who claimed Hebrew scrolls should be 'protected' by Arab Muslims enemies of Jews, under the guise of 'neutrality'.

Jews in Europe support liberalism exactly because they're different.

It is both inaccurate and dangerous to espouse that Jews are different from their fellow citizens in the European Union where their passports are not stamped with a red letter J.

I see it completely in opposite.
Claiming that all people are the same without distinction and identity, other than that of the political entity they're ruled by is way more dangerous.
You can be different and support democracy, this is what democracy allows - discuss our differences and give them the proper expression in the public arena.

What You say actually sounds Orwellian, like a demand for all to 'align to a ruler', and not dare express anything different than the party line.

This is neither liberalism nor democracy.

Being a citizen does not depend on which is the governing political party. The only identity that matters is that which unites all the people. If Muslims or Jews want to have a different culture, language, and identity to that of the common people then it is best that they relocate to Syria or Israel rather than have people who reject and refuse to accept the democratic and cultural values which bind the people of the European Union countries.

Are You really comparing recent Syrian refugees to communities of Jews in Europe who retained and identified with their Jewish heritage, while at the same time were an influential contributor to that society?

Having an identity other than that allowed by the ruling class does not negate democracy, the other way around. What You describe is Totalitarianism:

" A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an "elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society".[2]

French shepherds in the Normandy bocage are not the "ruling class" in France, nor are electricians in the Erzgebirge of Saxony the "ruling class". These people are French and German who speak French and German and anyone who wants to live among them as citizens should do the same. Spanish shopkeepers in Extremadura are not the "ruling class" in Spain, nor are brew masters in Pilsen in the Czech Republic the "ruling class". These people are Spanish and Czech who speak Spanish and Czech and anyone who wants to live among them should do the same. We have no need of nor are we benefited from foreign identities and cultures whether old Islamic or modern Israeli. Integration or the next boat to the Middle East.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I suspect You feel really liberal and democratic trying to silence Shusha.
You are the one who claimed Hebrew scrolls should be 'protected' by Arab Muslims enemies of Jews, under the guise of 'neutrality'.

Jews in Europe support liberalism exactly because they're different.

It is both inaccurate and dangerous to espouse that Jews are different from their fellow citizens in the European Union where their passports are not stamped with a red letter J.

I see it completely in opposite.
Claiming that all people are the same without distinction and identity, other than that of the political entity they're ruled by is way more dangerous.
You can be different and support democracy, this is what democracy allows - discuss our differences and give them the proper expression in the public arena.

What You say actually sounds Orwellian, like a demand for all to 'align to a ruler', and not dare express anything different than the party line.

This is neither liberalism nor democracy.

Being a citizen does not depend on which is the governing political party. The only identity that matters is that which unites all the people. If Muslims or Jews want to have a different culture, language, and identity to that of the common people then it is best that they relocate to Syria or Israel rather than have people who reject and refuse to accept the democratic and cultural values which bind the people of the European Union countries.

Are You really comparing recent Syrian refugees to communities of Jews in Europe who retained and identified with their Jewish heritage, while at the same time were an influential contributor to that society?

Having an identity other than that allowed by the ruling class does not negate democracy, the other way around. What You describe is Totalitarianism:

" A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an "elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society".[2]

French shepherds in the Normandy bocage are not the "ruling class" in France, nor are electricians in the Erzgebirge of Saxony the "ruling class". These people are French and German who speak French and German and anyone who wants to live among them as citizens should do the same. Spanish shopkeepers in Extremadura are not the "ruling class" in Spain, nor are brew masters in Pilsen in the Czech Republic the "ruling class". These people are Spanish and Czech who speak Spanish and Czech and anyone who wants to live among them should do the same. We have no need of nor are we benefited from foreign identities and cultures whether old Islamic or modern Israeli. Integration or the next boat to the Middle East.

If that is your view, then why don't you support the State of Israel?

 

[Eloy]

It is both inaccurate and dangerous to espouse that Jews are different from their fellow citizens in the European Union where their passports are not stamped with a red letter J.

I see it completely in opposite.
Claiming that all people are the same without distinction and identity, other than that of the political entity they're ruled by is way more dangerous.
You can be different and support democracy, this is what democracy allows - discuss our differences and give them the proper expression in the public arena.

What You say actually sounds Orwellian, like a demand for all to 'align to a ruler', and not dare express anything different than the party line.

This is neither liberalism nor democracy.

Being a citizen does not depend on which is the governing political party. The only identity that matters is that which unites all the people. If Muslims or Jews want to have a different culture, language, and identity to that of the common people then it is best that they relocate to Syria or Israel rather than have people who reject and refuse to accept the democratic and cultural values which bind the people of the European Union countries.

Are You really comparing recent Syrian refugees to communities of Jews in Europe who retained and identified with their Jewish heritage, while at the same time were an influential contributor to that society?

Having an identity other than that allowed by the ruling class does not negate democracy, the other way around. What You describe is Totalitarianism:

" A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an "elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society".[2]

French shepherds in the Normandy bocage are not the "ruling class" in France, nor are electricians in the Erzgebirge of Saxony the "ruling class". These people are French and German who speak French and German and anyone who wants to live among them as citizens should do the same. Spanish shopkeepers in Extremadura are not the "ruling class" in Spain, nor are brew masters in Pilsen in the Czech Republic the "ruling class". These people are Spanish and Czech who speak Spanish and Czech and anyone who wants to live among them should do the same. We have no need of nor are we benefited from foreign identities and cultures whether old Islamic or modern Israeli. Integration or the next boat to the Middle East.

If that is your view, then why don't you support the State of Israel?

My view that European Jews are, in all essentials, no different from their fellow citizens in European Union states does not imply any support for Israel.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I see it completely in opposite.
Claiming that all people are the same without distinction and identity, other than that of the political entity they're ruled by is way more dangerous.
You can be different and support democracy, this is what democracy allows - discuss our differences and give them the proper expression in the public arena.

What You say actually sounds Orwellian, like a demand for all to 'align to a ruler', and not dare express anything different than the party line.

This is neither liberalism nor democracy.

Being a citizen does not depend on which is the governing political party. The only identity that matters is that which unites all the people. If Muslims or Jews want to have a different culture, language, and identity to that of the common people then it is best that they relocate to Syria or Israel rather than have people who reject and refuse to accept the democratic and cultural values which bind the people of the European Union countries.

Are You really comparing recent Syrian refugees to communities of Jews in Europe who retained and identified with their Jewish heritage, while at the same time were an influential contributor to that society?

Having an identity other than that allowed by the ruling class does not negate democracy, the other way around. What You describe is Totalitarianism:

" A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an "elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society".[2]

French shepherds in the Normandy bocage are not the "ruling class" in France, nor are electricians in the Erzgebirge of Saxony the "ruling class". These people are French and German who speak French and German and anyone who wants to live among them as citizens should do the same. Spanish shopkeepers in Extremadura are not the "ruling class" in Spain, nor are brew masters in Pilsen in the Czech Republic the "ruling class". These people are Spanish and Czech who speak Spanish and Czech and anyone who wants to live among them should do the same. We have no need of nor are we benefited from foreign identities and cultures whether old Islamic or modern Israeli. Integration or the next boat to the Middle East.

If that is your view, then why don't you support the State of Israel?

My view that European Jews are, in all essentials, no different from their fellow citizens in European Union states does not imply any support for Israel.

But let's say that the Jews in Europe want to be different. Shouldn't they have a place to move to?

 

[Eloy]

Being a citizen does not depend on which is the governing political party. The only identity that matters is that which unites all the people. If Muslims or Jews want to have a different culture, language, and identity to that of the common people then it is best that they relocate to Syria or Israel rather than have people who reject and refuse to accept the democratic and cultural values which bind the people of the European Union countries.

Are You really comparing recent Syrian refugees to communities of Jews in Europe who retained and identified with their Jewish heritage, while at the same time were an influential contributor to that society?

Having an identity other than that allowed by the ruling class does not negate democracy, the other way around. What You describe is Totalitarianism:

" A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an "elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society".[2]

French shepherds in the Normandy bocage are not the "ruling class" in France, nor are electricians in the Erzgebirge of Saxony the "ruling class". These people are French and German who speak French and German and anyone who wants to live among them as citizens should do the same. Spanish shopkeepers in Extremadura are not the "ruling class" in Spain, nor are brew masters in Pilsen in the Czech Republic the "ruling class". These people are Spanish and Czech who speak Spanish and Czech and anyone who wants to live among them should do the same. We have no need of nor are we benefited from foreign identities and cultures whether old Islamic or modern Israeli. Integration or the next boat to the Middle East.

If that is your view, then why don't you support the State of Israel?

My view that European Jews are, in all essentials, no different from their fellow citizens in European Union states does not imply any support for Israel.

But let's say that the Jews in Europe want to be different. Shouldn't they have a place to move to?

Being different serves no good purpose.

 

[montelatici]

Being a citizen does not depend on which is the governing political party. The only identity that matters is that which unites all the people. If Muslims or Jews want to have a different culture, language, and identity to that of the common people then it is best that they relocate to Syria or Israel rather than have people who reject and refuse to accept the democratic and cultural values which bind the people of the European Union countries.

Are You really comparing recent Syrian refugees to communities of Jews in Europe who retained and identified with their Jewish heritage, while at the same time were an influential contributor to that society?

Having an identity other than that allowed by the ruling class does not negate democracy, the other way around. What You describe is Totalitarianism:

" A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an "elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society".[2]

French shepherds in the Normandy bocage are not the "ruling class" in France, nor are electricians in the Erzgebirge of Saxony the "ruling class". These people are French and German who speak French and German and anyone who wants to live among them as citizens should do the same. Spanish shopkeepers in Extremadura are not the "ruling class" in Spain, nor are brew masters in Pilsen in the Czech Republic the "ruling class". These people are Spanish and Czech who speak Spanish and Czech and anyone who wants to live among them should do the same. We have no need of nor are we benefited from foreign identities and cultures whether old Islamic or modern Israeli. Integration or the next boat to the Middle East.

If that is your view, then why don't you support the State of Israel?

My view that European Jews are, in all essentials, no different from their fellow citizens in European Union states does not imply any support for Israel.

But let's say that the Jews in Europe want to be different. Shouldn't they have a place to move to?

As long as they don't displace a native people and their culture they can go whether the f_ck they want to go.

 

[Correll]

Because they are not the only ones with a claim to that land.

The Palestinians are the citizens of Palestine. This status gives them the standard list of rights for the people of the place. Nobody has the right to violate those rights.

The Israelis have been living on part of that land for generations. THat makes them natives and gives them rights too.


YOU are the one that wants to pick and choose who's rights are respected.

THat makes them natives and gives them rights too.

The operative word here is too. The Zionists did not want to live there too. They wanted to pig the place for themselves. This was the start of the violation of Palestinian rights and international law, and of course the beginning of the conflict that has been brewing for the last hundred years.

Leila Farsakh: Mandatory Palestine prior to 1939 - Opposition to British policy and Zionist project

"citing what some zionist said in 1939 does not define government policy today, or for the last several decades.

THe fact remains, you are the one that wants t


YOu want to deprive the Israeli jews of their rights of Self Determination.

YOu want to deprive the Israeli jews of their rights of Self Determination.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians are the citizens of Palestine. This status gives them the standard list of rights for the people of the place. Nobody has the right to violate those rights.

The Israelis have been living on part of that land for generations. THat makes them natives and gives them rights too.


YOU are the one that wants to pick and choose who's rights are respected.

THat makes them natives and gives them rights too.

The operative word here is too. The Zionists did not want to live there too. They wanted to pig the place for themselves. This was the start of the violation of Palestinian rights and international law, and of course the beginning of the conflict that has been brewing for the last hundred years.

Leila Farsakh: Mandatory Palestine prior to 1939 - Opposition to British policy and Zionist project

"citing what some zionist said in 1939 does not define government policy today, or for the last several decades.

THe fact remains, you are the one that wants t


YOu want to deprive the Israeli jews of their rights of Self Determination.

YOu want to deprive the Israeli jews of their rights of Self Determination.

Nobody has the right to violate the rights of others.

 

[Indeependent]

Oh, the hypocrisy of Jew haters.
Everybody who has displaced anybody in the last 100 years should go back home.

 

[montelatici]

Oh, the hypocrisy of Jew haters.
Everybody who has displaced anybody in the last 100 years should go back home.

That's generally been the case. Whites in Rhodesia, Kenya etc., French in Algeria, Italians in Somalia, Libya, Eritrea, Ethiopia, British in India etc., etc. Only the Jews have gotten a pass on the international crime of acquiring land through conquest.

Why is pointing out injustice considered "hating" when applied to Jews but not when applied to other people e.g. the Chinese in Tibet.

 

[Shusha]

Nobody has the right to violate the rights of others.

Self-determination for BOTH peoples violates no one's rights.

 

[Indeependent]

Oh, the hypocrisy of Jew haters.
Everybody who has displaced anybody in the last 100 years should go back home.

That's generally been the case. Whites in Rhodesia, Kenya etc., French in Algeria, Italians in Somalia, Libya, Eritrea, Ethiopia, British in India etc., etc. Only the Jews have gotten a pass on the international crime of acquiring land through conquest.

Why is pointing out injustice considered "hating" when applied to Jews but not when applied to other people e.g. the Chinese in Tibet.

In other words, Jews are the exception because you know all other nationalities are barbaric.

 

[montelatici]

Oh, the hypocrisy of Jew haters.
Everybody who has displaced anybody in the last 100 years should go back home.

That's generally been the case. Whites in Rhodesia, Kenya etc., French in Algeria, Italians in Somalia, Libya, Eritrea, Ethiopia, British in India etc., etc. Only the Jews have gotten a pass on the international crime of acquiring land through conquest.

Why is pointing out injustice considered "hating" when applied to Jews but not when applied to other people e.g. the Chinese in Tibet.

In other words, Jews are the exception because you know all other nationalities are barbaric.

The Jews are more barbaric than some of the other colonists mentioned.

 

[Eloy]

Oh, the hypocrisy of Jew haters.
Everybody who has displaced anybody in the last 100 years should go back home.

That's generally been the case. Whites in Rhodesia, Kenya etc., French in Algeria, Italians in Somalia, Libya, Eritrea, Ethiopia, British in India etc., etc. Only the Jews have gotten a pass on the international crime of acquiring land through conquest.

Why is pointing out injustice considered "hating" when applied to Jews but not when applied to other people e.g. the Chinese in Tibet.

Israeli Jews and their supporters resent being correctly identified as racist thieves.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nobody has the right to violate the rights of others.

Self-determination for BOTH peoples violates no one's rights.

Tell that to all of the Palestinians who were kicked out of their homes.

 

[Shusha]

Tell that to all of the Palestinians who were kicked out of their homes.

Both Arab Palestinians and Jewish Palestinians were kicked out of their homes. ME Jews were also kicked out of their homes simply for being Jewish.

Self-determination for BOTH peoples violates no ones rights.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Tell that to all of the Palestinians who were kicked out of their homes.

Both Arab Palestinians and Jewish Palestinians were kicked out of their homes. ME Jews were also kicked out of their homes simply for being Jewish.

Self-determination for BOTH peoples violates no ones rights.

The Palestinians had nothing to do with what other countries did. It is a deflection issue or even off topic.

 

[Shusha]

Tell that to all of the Palestinians who were kicked out of their homes.

Both Arab Palestinians and Jewish Palestinians were kicked out of their homes. ME Jews were also kicked out of their homes simply for being Jewish.

Self-determination for BOTH peoples violates no ones rights.

The Palestinians had nothing to do with what other countries did. It is a deflection issue or even off topic.

You just continue to see the conflict as a zero-sum game. Its not.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Tell that to all of the Palestinians who were kicked out of their homes.

Both Arab Palestinians and Jewish Palestinians were kicked out of their homes. ME Jews were also kicked out of their homes simply for being Jewish.

Self-determination for BOTH peoples violates no ones rights.

The Palestinians had nothing to do with what other countries did. It is a deflection issue or even off topic.

You just continue to see the conflict as a zero-sum game. Its not.

Indeed, foreign settlers in, Palestinians out.

 

[Indeependent]

Oh, the hypocrisy of Jew haters.
Everybody who has displaced anybody in the last 100 years should go back home.

That's generally been the case. Whites in Rhodesia, Kenya etc., French in Algeria, Italians in Somalia, Libya, Eritrea, Ethiopia, British in India etc., etc. Only the Jews have gotten a pass on the international crime of acquiring land through conquest.

Why is pointing out injustice considered "hating" when applied to Jews but not when applied to other people e.g. the Chinese in Tibet.

In other words, Jews are the exception because you know all other nationalities are barbaric.

The Jews are more barbaric than some of the other colonists mentioned.

Uh huh.