Trump's Infrastructure Proposals Could Unite America

[JimBowie1958]

There is absolutely no evidence that a Trump bureaucracy would be any different than any other bureaucracy. And really, the Obama excuses and deflections are obsolete.

That is really an ignorant assertion.

Trumps infrastructure spending is heavily reliant on Public-Private Partnerships where private investors will be contributing the vast majority of the funding and will receive some sort of government reimbursement in the form of bonds, the right to charge tolls or get tax breaks or any number of combinations of these techniques or more.

You have no basis for assuming that Trump will not conduct his administration as unconventionally as he did his political campaign and be successful as well doing it.

 

[BluesLegend]

So, perhaps the question is whether Trump and Republicans will be willing to implement socialist-tinged projects or whether some alternate form of

My guess is reducing the federal government 20% will free up some cash.

^^^ Iceweasel for budget secretary, lets start a grass roots campaign!

If was up to me we'd have money left over to pave the streets in gold.

The federal government has spent close to $40 trillion dollars in just the last 10 years. What did we get for all that money? Holy shit $40 trillion, that's 40,000 billion. Their incompetence is mind boggling. These dumb asses blew $45 million building a natural gas filling station in Afghanistan...and since there are no vehicles in Afghanistan that run on natural gas the station sit there in mothballs.

First I've heard of this boondoggle, if true, pointing the finger at the federal government is fruitless and thoughtless. Who, When and Why are Questions to be asked. Federal Worker Bees did not build or profit from such an expenditure, it required the Congress and private contractors; the advice to "follow the money" needs to be employed before culpability is assigned.

The best way to judge culpability is to pass an Amendment to COTUS giving POTUS the line-item veto. Then boondoggles will be evident to all and the finger can be pointed at POTUS, or if the Congress overrides the veto, each member who voted to override the veto can be blamed.

Tip of the iceberg. They also spent over $90 million building an embassy...in an area surrounded by tall buildings that would allow terrorists to shoot down onto embassy staff...so the embassy cannot be used and sits empty.

The idiots spent $750k on a study to determine of Neal Armstrong said "one small step for man" or "one small step for a man". WTF And the result of the study was...they are not sure.

Senator Rand Paul highlighted these three examples of government waste on the floor of the senate recently.

 

[Camp]

There is absolutely no evidence that a Trump bureaucracy would be any different than any other bureaucracy. And really, the Obama excuses and deflections are obsolete.

Trumps infrastructure spending is heavily reliant on Public-Private Partnerships where private investors will be contributing the vast majority of the funding and will receive some sort of government reimbursement in the form of bonds, the right to charge tolls or get tax breaks or any number of combinations of these techniques or more.

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Those things are public financing. One way or the other the public ends up paying. The government controls or "owns" the means of production via laws, regulations, loans, tax breaks, etc.

 

[Lakhota]

Once the divisiveness and rhetoric of the many proposals being made by Trump are put aside, there is one proposal that goes beyond the ideological, partisan and emotional proposals. That is the pragmatic proposal of rebuilding American infrastructure. Few people no matter what their politics are will be opposed to seeing jobs created in their communities that improve the infrastructure and quality of life these improvements and projects will bring to both communities and individuals.

Whether Trump can bring his proposal to fruition is, of course, the big question. It will take tax payer funding and hence, government means of production. Government means of production is a socialist foundation and main definition of socialism. Is there any other way his proposal can be accomplished without government financing?

What Trump is proposing is the greatest building of America's infrastructure since the 1930's under President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The only other comparison is the Interstate Highway System done, or at least begun under President Eisenhower. Both relied on tax-payer funding and unique forms of guaranteed loans and grants to individual states. Both created infrastructure that has stood the test of time and continue to benefit America, FDR projects since the 30's and Eisenhower's Interstate Highway System since the '50's, although the Interstate Highway System was continued by Presidents that followed Eisenhower into the late 70's and continue to be added to and improved.

So, perhaps the question is whether Trump and Republicans will be willing to implement socialist-tinged projects or whether some alternate form of financing these huge projects can be obtained of implemented.

Who's going to pay for it? NaziCons wouldn't pay for it while President Obama was in office. Hell, they wouldn't even vote on his American Jobs Act - or any part of it.

 

[Iceweasel]

Cutback socialist entitlement programs and we'll have plenty of money to build anything we want…

You have no concept or grasp of the subject at hand. While the New Deal was building such landmarks as the Lincoln Tunnel, Grand Coulee, and Hoover Dam, all the Dams built for the TVA, and other huge projects, it built or refurbished 1,500 small town post offices, employing workers all across small town America with decent paying jobs.
Your proposal is to do what, cut Social Security and Medicare? How much would you have to cut them to pay for those kinds of projects?

...and extended the depression by years. We can't tax and spend out way into wealth.

Whether the Depression was extended or not is a controversial debate and has nothing to do with whether Trump can obtain funding of any kind for his proposal without resorting to a socialistic-tinged program. One way or the other, the government is going to have to control the means of production of any infrastructure programs. That is socialism. Hence, Trump's proposals will rely on those governing the funding and willingness to endorse socialist programs. Therein lies Trump's dilemma.

No, in socialism government OWNS the means of production. This is a common lie leftists use to manipulate the masses.

So your state highway department, run by the state, funded with tax dollars, manned by government employees,

is socialism, eh?

You can't read. The people own the state. We let employees take home a check.

 

[Iceweasel]

Cutback socialist entitlement programs and we'll have plenty of money to build anything we want…

You have no concept or grasp of the subject at hand. While the New Deal was building such landmarks as the Lincoln Tunnel, Grand Coulee, and Hoover Dam, all the Dams built for the TVA, and other huge projects, it built or refurbished 1,500 small town post offices, employing workers all across small town America with decent paying jobs.
Your proposal is to do what, cut Social Security and Medicare? How much would you have to cut them to pay for those kinds of projects?

...and extended the depression by years. We can't tax and spend out way into wealth.

Whether the Depression was extended or not is a controversial debate and has nothing to do with whether Trump can obtain funding of any kind for his proposal without resorting to a socialistic-tinged program. One way or the other, the government is going to have to control the means of production of any infrastructure programs. That is socialism. Hence, Trump's proposals will rely on those governing the funding and willingness to endorse socialist programs. Therein lies Trump's dilemma.

No, in socialism government OWNS the means of production. This is a common lie leftists use to manipulate the masses.

You need to educate yourself on what owning the means of production means. While your at it, write a letter to socialist countries like Sweden and let them know they have it all wrong and are not allowed to have private industry and business.

Don't blame me for your ignorance. Sweden is not a socialist state.

The Swedish system of government
All public power proceeds from the people. This is the foundation of parliamentary democracy in Sweden. Everyone has the same rights and is free to scrutinise how politicians and public agencies exercise their power.