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That's true. Anybody can run for office. The Constitution only establishes who can hold federal offices.WTF?? Impeachment isn't a "prosecution." It's a political process to keep people who violate the public's trust out of office.Thanks for admitting the Republicans in the Senate lied about it being unconstitutional to try Trump as an excuse just so they could give him a pass. And thanks for admitting Trump really did incite that seditious insurrection on the Capitol as Republicans voted nay because of what they considered a technicality and not because they thought he was not guilty.Quote it saying a president can't be tried by the Senate once they're out of office.....Says who?
The Constitution.
Quote the part of The Constitution that says a private citizen can be removed from office, once he's out of office.
As far as the Constitution saying a private citizen can be removed from office once they're out of office...
That matters not since that is merely one of the potential punishments. That's like saying no court of law can try an individual because they can't be incarcerated because they can't be found. Which of course is absurd because such people can still be tried in abstentia. And in Trump's case, there's also another potential penalty he could have faced. According to the traitorous right, it's ok to commit a crime as long as you can't be punished for it. This also means a president can now commit any crime they want during the end of their first term and they can still run again for office. That makes sense to you, doesn't it?
But most most salient, the Constitution authorizes the Senate to try "ALL" impeachments. It doesn't state the Senate can try all impeachments except in cases where the person is now a private citizen.
Which is why it's absurd to claim it's unconstitutional to try a person who leaves office in between being impeached and being tried. Even worse, there's already precedence to hold such a trial. William Belknap thought he could avoid his looming impeachment trial by resigning from office. He couldn't as the Senate held a trial anyway.
Then you have the hurdle of the Senate voting on that very question and deciding it is constitutional to try someone impeached even if they left office.
Then you have Republicans who voted nay to that question, but then tried him anyway.
This was a case of jury nullification in which Republicans decided to give Trump a pass for no reason other than Trump is a Republican like themselves. And sadly for the country, they did so in a case where the president committed an act of treason.
The Constitution prohibits Congress from prosecuting a private citizen.
The Senate trial is absolutely a prosecution. Hence they use the terms "convict" and "acquit".
Impeachment is "prosecuted" in the same sense a war is "prosecuted". Neither leads to a finding of criminality. Criminal cases are also "prosecuted". Not everything "prosecuted" is a criminal trial. The fact that they use similar terms doesn't make them the same thing.
Congress doesn't have the power to bar a private citizen from running for office.
Of course you're adding. Nothing in there says anything about a private citizen. You added that. And you're talking about crimes whereas I'm talking about political process. Trump hasn't been charged with any crimes. Yet. So the 5th Amendment doesn't apply. Yet. Again, in terms of the office of president, since that's this discussion, nothing can prevent Congress from denying Trump from holding that office again should they decide the the 14th Amendment applies in his case.Now you're adding verbiage to the Constitution which isn't really there. Nothing in that amendment says anything about "private citizens." It applies to all citizens, both private and public. The only stipulation along those lines is that they had to have been a federal or state legislature or officer when rebelling or giving comfort or aid to those who do.Of course they can. Where'd you come up with such a ridiculous notion?That matters not.Uh, no it's not. The Constitution authorizes the senate to try "ALL" impeachments...Wut?? How was the Constitution violated?So now, according to the Right, holding someone accountable "backfires". Ok. And trump will be presenting no such evidence of election fraud.....none whatsoever
Violating the Constitution will backfire, for sure.
Having a trial for a Private Citizen is a violation, as well as having the trial presided by a political hack instead of the Chief Justice as prescribed by the Constitution.
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.
Congress can't bar private citizens from running from office. Only a conviction in a court of law can do that.
Does not apply. They could have barred the last POTUS from running for office, not a "private citizen".
Absolutely applies. Impeachment is for removal of an elected representitive, not for barring a private citizen from running for office. The Constitution is very specific in regards to impeachment.
Sure is. So was the article of impeachment, which was generated on January 13. Guess who was in office then.
I gives you a hint.
It rhymes with "Dump".
The trial didn't start until after 20 January. Guess who was a private citizen after that date.
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.
The Senate can't bar a private citizen from running for office.
First of all, there's the 14th Amendment which in part states...
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
According to you, the 14th Amendment is unconstitutional even though it's in the Constitution.
Secondly, there's 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection...
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Again, according to you, a private citizen could violate that law and the Senate can bar them for holding an office even though that law specifically forbids it.
What you your mind invalidates section 3 of the 14th Amendment and 18 U.S. Code § 2383....?
The 14th Amendment applies to a person who's been convicted of treason, or insurrection in a court of law. It doesn't give Congress the authority to bar a private citizen from running for office. Doing so would be a bill of attainder and bills of attainder are prohibted by The Constitution.
And in terms of the office of the president, the Congress decides whether or not to certify an election. Meaning even if Trump were to run again and win the election, no one can prevent Congress from objecting to certifying the election on those grounds, should they choose to do so.
And, they have to been convicted of treason, or insurrection in a court of law.
There are two parts of The Constitution that say so:
1. "Article I, Section 9, Clause 3", which states,
"No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed."
2. 'The 5th Amendment", which states, "
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury", except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
Barring a private citizen from office isn't "due process of the law" because the law specifically states that "no bill of attainder shall be passed".
I'm not adding anything. I'm quoting the exact verbage of The Constitution.
People like him use the Constitution for toilet paper. He has NOTHING constructive to say, ANYthing that will further the DemoSocialist agenda is just fine with him and those like him ... including ignoring the Constitution in its entirety, and probably even mass extermination of Republicans. They are clinically INSANE.I'm not adding anything. I'm quoting the exact verbage of The Constitution.
People like him use the Constitution for toilet paper. He has NOTHING constructive to say, ANYthing that will further the DemoSocialist agenda is just fine with him and those like him ... including ignoring the Constitution in its entirety, and probably even mass extermination of Republicans. They are clinically INSANE.
In other words they ignore it.People like him use the Constitution for toilet paper. He has NOTHING constructive to say, ANYthing that will further the DemoSocialist agenda is just fine with him and those like him ... including ignoring the Constitution in its entirety, and probably even mass extermination of Republicans. They are clinically INSANE.
Leftists interpret the Constitution however it suits them best, depending on the situation.
In other words they ignore it.
I'm waiting for them to dig up DEMOCRAT Andrew Jackson and convict him for the way he treated the injunsThe Senate just opened the door for any past President to be impeached. Look out Obama, look out Slick Willy. But, when the military acts and throws out this whole illegitmate pile of Corporate crap (the CORPORATION has already been dissolved) and replaces it all with the ORIGINAL REPUBLIC, no precedent set by ANY corporate entity will still be in effect.
Again, nothing in the Constitution dictates who can run. Who knows why you continue down that road?That's true. Anybody can run for office. The Constitution only establishes who can hold federal offices.WTF?? Impeachment isn't a "prosecution." It's a political process to keep people who violate the public's trust out of office.Thanks for admitting the Republicans in the Senate lied about it being unconstitutional to try Trump as an excuse just so they could give him a pass. And thanks for admitting Trump really did incite that seditious insurrection on the Capitol as Republicans voted nay because of what they considered a technicality and not because they thought he was not guilty.Quote it saying a president can't be tried by the Senate once they're out of office.....Says who?
The Constitution.
Quote the part of The Constitution that says a private citizen can be removed from office, once he's out of office.
As far as the Constitution saying a private citizen can be removed from office once they're out of office...
That matters not since that is merely one of the potential punishments. That's like saying no court of law can try an individual because they can't be incarcerated because they can't be found. Which of course is absurd because such people can still be tried in abstentia. And in Trump's case, there's also another potential penalty he could have faced. According to the traitorous right, it's ok to commit a crime as long as you can't be punished for it. This also means a president can now commit any crime they want during the end of their first term and they can still run again for office. That makes sense to you, doesn't it?
But most most salient, the Constitution authorizes the Senate to try "ALL" impeachments. It doesn't state the Senate can try all impeachments except in cases where the person is now a private citizen.
Which is why it's absurd to claim it's unconstitutional to try a person who leaves office in between being impeached and being tried. Even worse, there's already precedence to hold such a trial. William Belknap thought he could avoid his looming impeachment trial by resigning from office. He couldn't as the Senate held a trial anyway.
Then you have the hurdle of the Senate voting on that very question and deciding it is constitutional to try someone impeached even if they left office.
Then you have Republicans who voted nay to that question, but then tried him anyway.
This was a case of jury nullification in which Republicans decided to give Trump a pass for no reason other than Trump is a Republican like themselves. And sadly for the country, they did so in a case where the president committed an act of treason.
The Constitution prohibits Congress from prosecuting a private citizen.
The Senate trial is absolutely a prosecution. Hence they use the terms "convict" and "acquit".
Impeachment is "prosecuted" in the same sense a war is "prosecuted". Neither leads to a finding of criminality. Criminal cases are also "prosecuted". Not everything "prosecuted" is a criminal trial. The fact that they use similar terms doesn't make them the same thing.
Congress doesn't have the power to bar a private citizen from running for office.
A power that Congress doesn't have, regarding who can run for office.
PS: someone who doesn't qualify to hold office can't run for that office. That person wouldn't be allowed to register. Taking donations to fund a non-registered campaign is illegal.
Already has backfired moron. The democrat party is breathing its last breath.It’s a good and necessary impeachment that will not backfire.
But it will only give Americans and the world another opportunity to learn about the dangerous lunatic President who tried to stay in power after losing an election. Some who watch the proceedings in full or in part will come to better understand the genuine threat that Trump represented to our Republic.
The Senate debate will probably also show that the U.S. is still a dangerous and unstable power which remains susceptible to a demagogue seizing power illegally. Ours is a country in which one of the major and historic parties has been hijacked by lunatics, where that party’s politicians have shown they are gutless cowards unwilling to defend our Republican institutions.
The next rightwing “patriotic” demagogue may be smarter and more competent than Trump. We barely dodged the bullet this time, and much evidence indicates that it was partly just dumb luck that dumber Trump was defeated. One absolutely does not need to be a Democrat to see the threat men like Trump and his fanatic followers, and corrupted party sycophants, represent to our democracy.
The only person who was murdered was an unarmed female veteran with a camera who was murdered by the leftist capitol police. More people were murdered last summer in Portland and Seattle by the DNC/BLM/Antifa scum than died in total during the capitol false flag fiasco.So far the "trial" is making the case that Trump just wasn't sympathetic and caring enough. Meanwhile escalating the ridiculous allegations against the protesters.
They were all armed and they came guns blazing
The capitol was ransacked.
It was a siege.
The attack is comparable to the Rwandan genocide.
January 6 needs to join September 11 as a national day of mourning.
The police were fighting for their lives.
A bloody insurrection.
How can you take those who spout this nonsense seriously?
The Constitution says someone holding office can be impeached, removed and barred. That means that only someone holding office can be impeached, removed and barred. Hence, a private citizen can't be impeached, removed, nor barred.
Again you miss the fact that the Congress is the constitutionally authorized body to certify a presidential election. They can prevent anyone from holding the office of the president by objecting to enough states in both houses and passing such objections with a simple majority vote. Republicans tried to do that in this election to prevent Biden from becoming president but even had that not been thwarted due to the seditious insurrection on our Capitol, it would have failed regardless because Democrats controlled the House, so no Objection would have passed. Had Republicans controlled both houses and had Trump supporters not stormed the Capitol, they would have prevented Biden from becoming president. And Biden wasn't even accused of committing a crime, no less even being charged with one.You're right. Trump hasn't been convicted of a crime, which means Congress can't use the 14th Amendment to bar Trump from running for president.
Says you but you're the one who's trying to redefine the clause in the Constitution which categorically states ...People like him use the Constitution for toilet paper. He has NOTHING constructive to say, ANYthing that will further the DemoSocialist agenda is just fine with him and those like him ... including ignoring the Constitution in its entirety, and probably even mass extermination of Republicans. They are clinically INSANE.
Leftists interpret the Constitution however it suits them best, depending on the situation.
What an odd observation given the Democrat party recently won control of the Executive branch and both chambers of Congress.Already has backfired moron. The democrat party is breathing its last breath.
I never had sex with that woman...Ms LewinskySo now, according to the Right, holding someone accountable "backfires". Ok. And trump will be presenting no such evidence of election fraud.....none whatsoever.Trump's 2nd impeachment will backfire on the left. For his defense Trump is going to present evidence of election fraud. That screws the left. We all know there is no way in hell they will get the requisite 2/3 vote to impeach him. So the left is doing nothing but screw themselves. If they allow the election fraud evidence to be broadcast, they just incriminate themselves and in effect impeach themselves ... if the media blocks that information from being aired they destroy all credibility in themselves and also prove there was election fraud because the public will see right through it and know they are hiding it because it is the truth.
Looks to me like you're going to be eating a lot of "tin foil".The Senate just opened the door for any past President to be impeached. Look out Obama, look out Slick Willy. But, when the military acts and throws out this whole illegitmate pile of Corporate crap (the CORPORATION has already been dissolved) and replaces it all with the ORIGINAL REPUBLIC, no precedent set by ANY corporate entity will still be in effect.
What bullshit. Obama wasn't impeached by the House prior to leaving office. And Clinton wasn't convicted for lying about a blow job. You're beliefs about what the military is going to do is tin foil material.
Due to the Democrat's corrupt insanity and the presedents set by Pelosi and the Senate, any past president can be impeached just for wearing the wrong color of socks, no crime needed, just make one up.
The only person who was murdered was an unarmed female veteran with a camera who was murdered by the leftist capitol police. More people were murdered last summer in Portland and Seattle by the DNC/BLM/Antifa scum than died in total during the capitol false flag fiasco.So far the "trial" is making the case that Trump just wasn't sympathetic and caring enough. Meanwhile escalating the ridiculous allegations against the protesters.
They were all armed and they came guns blazing
The capitol was ransacked.
It was a siege.
The attack is comparable to the Rwandan genocide.
January 6 needs to join September 11 as a national day of mourning.
The police were fighting for their lives.
A bloody insurrection.
How can you take those who spout this nonsense seriously?
I never had sex with that woman...Ms LewinskySo now, according to the Right, holding someone accountable "backfires". Ok. And trump will be presenting no such evidence of election fraud.....none whatsoever.Trump's 2nd impeachment will backfire on the left. For his defense Trump is going to present evidence of election fraud. That screws the left. We all know there is no way in hell they will get the requisite 2/3 vote to impeach him. So the left is doing nothing but screw themselves. If they allow the election fraud evidence to be broadcast, they just incriminate themselves and in effect impeach themselves ... if the media blocks that information from being aired they destroy all credibility in themselves and also prove there was election fraud because the public will see right through it and know they are hiding it because it is the truth.
Bodecca troll somehow thins gay boy big ears is not a criminal and should not be held accountable as a criminal.Accountable for what ---daring to be an outsider in the office of presidency?So now, according to the Right, holding someone accountable "backfires". Ok. And trump will be presenting no such evidence of election fraud.....none whatsoever.Trump's 2nd impeachment will backfire on the left. For his defense Trump is going to present evidence of election fraud. That screws the left. We all know there is no way in hell they will get the requisite 2/3 vote to impeach him. So the left is doing nothing but screw themselves. If they allow the election fraud evidence to be broadcast, they just incriminate themselves and in effect impeach themselves ... if the media blocks that information from being aired they destroy all credibility in themselves and also prove there was election fraud because the public will see right through it and know they are hiding it because it is the truth.
