Trump still thinks Central Park 5 are guilty

[JoeB131]

I think that's a load of shit, Joe.

Little Mikey Bloomberg reigned over New York for a dozen years, refusing to make a payment to the CP5, figuring that he could win a lawsuit.

Bloomberg may be a doofus and the reincarnation of Raymond Cocteau, but he knows money and he's an incredibly wealthy dude. Mikey is no skinflint either, he's paid $200 Million out of his own walking around money for campaign commercials.

It took the radical anti-cop administration of Fake-Italian Warren Wilhelm to cut a check, they were making a political point.

The point was, Mikey didn't take it to court, because he knew he would lose. All he could do was delay, delay, delay.

The minute a jury heard how the cops and prosecutors framed these kids, there was going to be a big old settlement.

 

[Andylusion]

I think that's a load of shit, Joe.

Little Mikey Bloomberg reigned over New York for a dozen years, refusing to make a payment to the CP5, figuring that he could win a lawsuit.

Bloomberg may be a doofus and the reincarnation of Raymond Cocteau, but he knows money and he's an incredibly wealthy dude. Mikey is no skinflint either, he's paid $200 Million out of his own walking around money for campaign commercials.

It took the radical anti-cop administration of Fake-Italian Warren Wilhelm to cut a check, they were making a political point.

The point was, Mikey didn't take it to court, because he knew he would lose. All he could do was delay, delay, delay.

The minute a jury heard how the cops and prosecutors framed these kids, there was going to be a big old settlement.

Bull. You are wrong.

 

[Correll]

Inconsistencies in different accounts of the same event, is completely normal.

Sure they are, but when the inconsistencies become too many to corroborate the event, the accounts become suspect. That's the case here where their accounts bear little resemblance to each other. And the aspects that do match can be easily explained by the detectives feeding them information, like the one I pointed out is evident during the Wise video confession.

Studies I've in the past, documenting different eyewitness accounts, in controlled events, much more dramatic inconsistencies are common.



AND you are dismissing evidence like them telling their friends about the rape, before they were even arrested.

I dismiss it because it's hearsay.

You dismiss it, because you want to have an excuse to smear America and Americans as being horribly, "racist".


Thanks for not denying that they were telling their friends about the crimes they committed even before they were arrested.

I dismiss it because hearsay is not provable and typically not even admissible in court.

And then on the other hand, you dismiss everything the "court" did, when you didn't like the outcome.


YOur excuses for dismissing what you don't like, change and even contradict, but no matter what, you dismiss all evidence you don't like, and cherry pick out minor shit or even completely irrelevant shit, like the dna,


and build from there to the conclusion you wanted from the beginning.


THIS is not a court of law now. The fact that the accused and convicted criminals were bragging to their friends about the rape even before they were arrested, is completely valid for us to talk about.


Your dismissal of it, shows your true colors.

 

[Polishprince]

I think that's a load of shit, Joe.

Little Mikey Bloomberg reigned over New York for a dozen years, refusing to make a payment to the CP5, figuring that he could win a lawsuit.

Bloomberg may be a doofus and the reincarnation of Raymond Cocteau, but he knows money and he's an incredibly wealthy dude. Mikey is no skinflint either, he's paid $200 Million out of his own walking around money for campaign commercials.

It took the radical anti-cop administration of Fake-Italian Warren Wilhelm to cut a check, they were making a political point.

The point was, Mikey didn't take it to court, because he knew he would lose. All he could do was delay, delay, delay.

The minute a jury heard how the cops and prosecutors framed these kids, there was going to be a big old settlement.

Not a single government employee in the City or State of New York was ever charged with a crime due to their behavior in this case, or even fired for malfeasance.

Hardly that clear cut at all.

 

[rightwinger]

I think that's a load of shit, Joe.

Little Mikey Bloomberg reigned over New York for a dozen years, refusing to make a payment to the CP5, figuring that he could win a lawsuit.

Bloomberg may be a doofus and the reincarnation of Raymond Cocteau, but he knows money and he's an incredibly wealthy dude. Mikey is no skinflint either, he's paid $200 Million out of his own walking around money for campaign commercials.

It took the radical anti-cop administration of Fake-Italian Warren Wilhelm to cut a check, they were making a political point.

The point was, Mikey didn't take it to court, because he knew he would lose. All he could do was delay, delay, delay.

The minute a jury heard how the cops and prosecutors framed these kids, there was going to be a big old settlement.

Not a single government employee in the City or State of New York was ever charged with a crime due to their behavior in this case, or even fired for malfeasance.

Hardly that clear cut at all.

Yea...cops are like that

 

[Polishprince]

I think that's a load of shit, Joe.

Little Mikey Bloomberg reigned over New York for a dozen years, refusing to make a payment to the CP5, figuring that he could win a lawsuit.

Bloomberg may be a doofus and the reincarnation of Raymond Cocteau, but he knows money and he's an incredibly wealthy dude. Mikey is no skinflint either, he's paid $200 Million out of his own walking around money for campaign commercials.

It took the radical anti-cop administration of Fake-Italian Warren Wilhelm to cut a check, they were making a political point.

The point was, Mikey didn't take it to court, because he knew he would lose. All he could do was delay, delay, delay.

The minute a jury heard how the cops and prosecutors framed these kids, there was going to be a big old settlement.

Not a single government employee in the City or State of New York was ever charged with a crime due to their behavior in this case, or even fired for malfeasance.

Hardly that clear cut at all.

Yea...cops are like that

What's that supposed to mean, rw?

Even if you make the assumption that the CP5 are upstanding boy scout types who have never done anything illegal and never would, where did the police abuse anyone here? None of the youths were beat on by the detectives, they were all read their rights, all of them were well aware of the worldwide black eye that Central Park Wilding gangs were giving the city and how serious the police were to resolve the case.

I don't see any abuse at all by the police and none of them were charged or fired or had their pensions lifted, even by the current extremist Anti-cop mayor of NY

 

[rightwinger]

I think that's a load of shit, Joe.

Little Mikey Bloomberg reigned over New York for a dozen years, refusing to make a payment to the CP5, figuring that he could win a lawsuit.

Bloomberg may be a doofus and the reincarnation of Raymond Cocteau, but he knows money and he's an incredibly wealthy dude. Mikey is no skinflint either, he's paid $200 Million out of his own walking around money for campaign commercials.

It took the radical anti-cop administration of Fake-Italian Warren Wilhelm to cut a check, they were making a political point.

The point was, Mikey didn't take it to court, because he knew he would lose. All he could do was delay, delay, delay.

The minute a jury heard how the cops and prosecutors framed these kids, there was going to be a big old settlement.

Not a single government employee in the City or State of New York was ever charged with a crime due to their behavior in this case, or even fired for malfeasance.

Hardly that clear cut at all.

Yea...cops are like that

What's that supposed to mean, rw?

Even if you make the assumption that the CP5 are upstanding boy scout types who have never done anything illegal and never would, where did the police abuse anyone here? None of the youths were beat on by the detectives, they were all read their rights, all of them were well aware of the worldwide black eye that Central Park Wilding gangs were giving the city and how serious the police were to resolve the case.

I don't see any abuse at all by the police and none of them were charged or fired or had their pensions lifted, even by the current extremist Anti-cop mayor of NY

Let’s see....
15 year old boys kept awake for two days
Interviewed without parents or lawyer
Lied to and told the other boys were all saying you did it, if you don’t give a story, you will take the blame
The boys were helped with their confession when their facts didn’t line up
Korey Wise was beaten

 

[Polishprince]

I think that's a load of shit, Joe.

Little Mikey Bloomberg reigned over New York for a dozen years, refusing to make a payment to the CP5, figuring that he could win a lawsuit.

Bloomberg may be a doofus and the reincarnation of Raymond Cocteau, but he knows money and he's an incredibly wealthy dude. Mikey is no skinflint either, he's paid $200 Million out of his own walking around money for campaign commercials.

It took the radical anti-cop administration of Fake-Italian Warren Wilhelm to cut a check, they were making a political point.

The point was, Mikey didn't take it to court, because he knew he would lose. All he could do was delay, delay, delay.

The minute a jury heard how the cops and prosecutors framed these kids, there was going to be a big old settlement.

Not a single government employee in the City or State of New York was ever charged with a crime due to their behavior in this case, or even fired for malfeasance.

Hardly that clear cut at all.

Yea...cops are like that

What's that supposed to mean, rw?

Even if you make the assumption that the CP5 are upstanding boy scout types who have never done anything illegal and never would, where did the police abuse anyone here? None of the youths were beat on by the detectives, they were all read their rights, all of them were well aware of the worldwide black eye that Central Park Wilding gangs were giving the city and how serious the police were to resolve the case.

I don't see any abuse at all by the police and none of them were charged or fired or had their pensions lifted, even by the current extremist Anti-cop mayor of NY

Let’s see....
15 year old boys kept awake for two days
Interviewed without parents or lawyer
Lied to and told the other boys were all saying you did it, if you don’t give a story, you will take the blame
The boys were helped with their confession when their facts didn’t line up
Korey Wise was beaten

So why weren't any police fired or prosecuted over this? Sounds like Standard Operating Procedure. The suspects were read their rights, and waived their right to remain silent or have an attorney present. During their trials, they had top legal counsel and a jury of 12 angry leftists from the most radical jurisdiction in America, Manhattan , determined they were as guilty as sin.

 

[Polishprince]

The point was, Mikey didn't take it to court, because he knew he would lose. All he could do was delay, delay, delay.

The minute a jury heard how the cops and prosecutors framed these kids, there was going to be a big old settlement.

Not a single government employee in the City or State of New York was ever charged with a crime due to their behavior in this case, or even fired for malfeasance.

Hardly that clear cut at all.

Yea...cops are like that

What's that supposed to mean, rw?

Even if you make the assumption that the CP5 are upstanding boy scout types who have never done anything illegal and never would, where did the police abuse anyone here? None of the youths were beat on by the detectives, they were all read their rights, all of them were well aware of the worldwide black eye that Central Park Wilding gangs were giving the city and how serious the police were to resolve the case.

I don't see any abuse at all by the police and none of them were charged or fired or had their pensions lifted, even by the current extremist Anti-cop mayor of NY

Let’s see....
15 year old boys kept awake for two days
Interviewed without parents or lawyer
Lied to and told the other boys were all saying you did it, if you don’t give a story, you will take the blame
The boys were helped with their confession when their facts didn’t line up
Korey Wise was beaten

So why weren't any police fired or prosecuted over this? Sounds like Standard Operating Procedure. The suspects were read their rights, and waived their right to remain silent or have an attorney present. During their trials, they had top legal counsel and a jury of 12 angry leftists from the most radical jurisdiction in America, Manhattan , determined they were as guilty as sin.

The reason why no police or other officials weren't prosecuted or have their pensions lifted is simple. The Warren Wilhelm Administration knew they did nothing wrong, and such an egregious move would result in a lawsuit where the CP5 would have to testify.

The exact same reason why they gave a settlement, to enable these liberal heroes, the CP5 to be paid off without having to testify in court and tell the truth.

 

[rightwinger]

The point was, Mikey didn't take it to court, because he knew he would lose. All he could do was delay, delay, delay.

The minute a jury heard how the cops and prosecutors framed these kids, there was going to be a big old settlement.

Not a single government employee in the City or State of New York was ever charged with a crime due to their behavior in this case, or even fired for malfeasance.

Hardly that clear cut at all.

Yea...cops are like that

What's that supposed to mean, rw?

Even if you make the assumption that the CP5 are upstanding boy scout types who have never done anything illegal and never would, where did the police abuse anyone here? None of the youths were beat on by the detectives, they were all read their rights, all of them were well aware of the worldwide black eye that Central Park Wilding gangs were giving the city and how serious the police were to resolve the case.

I don't see any abuse at all by the police and none of them were charged or fired or had their pensions lifted, even by the current extremist Anti-cop mayor of NY

Let’s see....
15 year old boys kept awake for two days
Interviewed without parents or lawyer
Lied to and told the other boys were all saying you did it, if you don’t give a story, you will take the blame
The boys were helped with their confession when their facts didn’t line up
Korey Wise was beaten

So why weren't any police fired or prosecuted over this? Sounds like Standard Operating Procedure. The suspects were read their rights, and waived their right to remain silent or have an attorney present. During their trials, they had top legal counsel and a jury of 12 angry leftists from the most radical jurisdiction in America, Manhattan , determined they were as guilty as sin.

A 15 year old does not have the authority to waive his rights
They did not have top legal council. Given the publicity, no top lawyer wanted to take the case.
The jury had been prejudiced by the overwhelming negative press including Trumps front page declaration of guilt

 

[Polishprince]

Not a single government employee in the City or State of New York was ever charged with a crime due to their behavior in this case, or even fired for malfeasance.

Hardly that clear cut at all.

Yea...cops are like that

What's that supposed to mean, rw?

Even if you make the assumption that the CP5 are upstanding boy scout types who have never done anything illegal and never would, where did the police abuse anyone here? None of the youths were beat on by the detectives, they were all read their rights, all of them were well aware of the worldwide black eye that Central Park Wilding gangs were giving the city and how serious the police were to resolve the case.

I don't see any abuse at all by the police and none of them were charged or fired or had their pensions lifted, even by the current extremist Anti-cop mayor of NY

Let’s see....
15 year old boys kept awake for two days
Interviewed without parents or lawyer
Lied to and told the other boys were all saying you did it, if you don’t give a story, you will take the blame
The boys were helped with their confession when their facts didn’t line up
Korey Wise was beaten

So why weren't any police fired or prosecuted over this? Sounds like Standard Operating Procedure. The suspects were read their rights, and waived their right to remain silent or have an attorney present. During their trials, they had top legal counsel and a jury of 12 angry leftists from the most radical jurisdiction in America, Manhattan , determined they were as guilty as sin.

A 15 year old does not have the authority to waive his rights
They did not have top legal council. Given the publicity, no top lawyer wanted to take the case.
The jury had been prejudiced by the overwhelming negative press including Trumps front page declaration of guilt

Top lawyers love controversial cases. Johnny Cochran didn't have to have his arm twisted to represent Michael Jackson and OJ Simpson.

As far as the jury, Manhattan is a very leftist town, but if the jury pool were so tainted by one man, Donald J Trump, the defense attorneys would have moved to have the case transferred to Cattaraugus or one of the other civilized counties in the state of New York.

But in any event, the undisputed Fact that no one who works for the government in the NYPD or the DA's office was ever prosecuted or even fired over this tells me what I need to know. In fact the DA, Mr. Morganthau, was reelected in spite of this supposed $40 Million "stain" on his record.

 

[JoeB131]

Not a single government employee in the City or State of New York was ever charged with a crime due to their behavior in this case, or even fired for malfeasance.

Should have been. That's part of the problem, we don't prosecute these guys for framing people.

Maybe if we did, they wouldn't try doing it.

 

[rightwinger]

Yea...cops are like that

What's that supposed to mean, rw?

Even if you make the assumption that the CP5 are upstanding boy scout types who have never done anything illegal and never would, where did the police abuse anyone here? None of the youths were beat on by the detectives, they were all read their rights, all of them were well aware of the worldwide black eye that Central Park Wilding gangs were giving the city and how serious the police were to resolve the case.

I don't see any abuse at all by the police and none of them were charged or fired or had their pensions lifted, even by the current extremist Anti-cop mayor of NY

Let’s see....
15 year old boys kept awake for two days
Interviewed without parents or lawyer
Lied to and told the other boys were all saying you did it, if you don’t give a story, you will take the blame
The boys were helped with their confession when their facts didn’t line up
Korey Wise was beaten

So why weren't any police fired or prosecuted over this? Sounds like Standard Operating Procedure. The suspects were read their rights, and waived their right to remain silent or have an attorney present. During their trials, they had top legal counsel and a jury of 12 angry leftists from the most radical jurisdiction in America, Manhattan , determined they were as guilty as sin.

A 15 year old does not have the authority to waive his rights
They did not have top legal council. Given the publicity, no top lawyer wanted to take the case.
The jury had been prejudiced by the overwhelming negative press including Trumps front page declaration of guilt

Top lawyers love controversial cases. Johnny Cochran didn't have to have his arm twisted to represent Michael Jackson and OJ Simpson.

As far as the jury, Manhattan is a very leftist town, but if the jury pool were so tainted by one man, Donald J Trump, the defense attorneys would have moved to have the case transferred to Cattaraugus or one of the other civilized counties in the state of New York.

But in any event, the undisputed Fact that no one who works for the government in the NYPD or the DA's office was ever prosecuted or even fired over this tells me what I need to know. In fact the DA, Mr. Morganthau, was reelected in spite of this supposed $40 Million "stain" on his record.

None of the boys had top legal representation, a couple had never been involved in a criminal case, one was a civil rights lawyer

The jury was prejudiced and the verdict was predetermined

How else do you explain a conviction with no physical evidence and seriously flawed confessions

 

[Polishprince]

Not a single government employee in the City or State of New York was ever charged with a crime due to their behavior in this case, or even fired for malfeasance.

Should have been. That's part of the problem, we don't prosecute these guys for framing people.

Maybe if we did, they wouldn't try doing it.

Actually, these big liberal cities LOVE to persecute police officers, ruin their lives and even send them to prison for dissing young black men, our nation's Titular Sacred Cows. Look at Baltimore and the 6 guys who incurred massive legal bills for the alleged death of Freddie Gay. Or the fellows who beat on the Late Rodney King or numerous other cases.

So that isn't the case here at all. They were protecting the CP5 from testifying and helping to keep their narrative alive. Since the settlement in the case of the CP5 wasn't made until 2014, 25 years after the case, the cops were all retired in Florida or deceased and could care less.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, these big liberal cities LOVE to persecute police officers, ruin their lives and even send them to prison for dissing young black men, our nation's Titular Sacred Cows. Look at Baltimore and the 6 guys who incurred massive legal bills for the alleged death of Freddie Gay. Or the fellows who beat on the Late Rodney King or numerous other cases.

Okay- The six thugs who murdered Freddie.. They all got off because they couldn't tell which one for sure broke the man's neck... but his neck didn't break itself.

The Rodney King case- Acquitted the first time, minor charges for two of them the second.

Tamir Rice - Guy just got fired.
Mike Brown - No criminal charge.
LaQuan McDonald - three year sentence for shooting a kid 16 times.
Sandra Bland - No criminal charge
I could go on and on.... about how cops kill black folks and get away with it.

So that isn't the case here at all. They were protecting the CP5 from testifying and helping to keep their narrative alive. Since the settlement in the case of the CP5 wasn't made until 2014, 25 years after the case, the cops were all retired in Florida or deceased and could care less.

The corrupt prosecutors in that case are very much around.... I think one of them got her book deal cancelled.

 

[Polishprince]

Actually, these big liberal cities LOVE to persecute police officers, ruin their lives and even send them to prison for dissing young black men, our nation's Titular Sacred Cows. Look at Baltimore and the 6 guys who incurred massive legal bills for the alleged death of Freddie Gay. Or the fellows who beat on the Late Rodney King or numerous other cases.

Okay- The six thugs who murdered Freddie.. They all got off because they couldn't tell which one for sure broke the man's neck... but his neck didn't break itself.

The Rodney King case- Acquitted the first time, minor charges for two of them the second.

Tamir Rice - Guy just got fired.
Mike Brown - No criminal charge.
LaQuan McDonald - three year sentence for shooting a kid 16 times.
Sandra Bland - No criminal charge
I could go on and on.... about how cops kill black folks and get away with it.

So that isn't the case here at all. They were protecting the CP5 from testifying and helping to keep their narrative alive. Since the settlement in the case of the CP5 wasn't made until 2014, 25 years after the case, the cops were all retired in Florida or deceased and could care less.

The corrupt prosecutors in that case are very much around.... I think one of them got her book deal cancelled.

My point wasn't the fact that sometimes cops get exonerated in these cases- like the Baltimore officers were- but that the liberal jurisdictions love to bring the cases. BTW, they should have transferred the Freddie Gay Case to Garrett County or one of the other civilized Maryland Counties if they didn't think they'd get a fair shake in Baltimore City.

And they didn't bring a case at all in the CP5 case.

 

[JoeB131]

My point wasn't the fact that sometimes cops get exonerated in these cases- like the Baltimore officers were- but that the liberal jurisdictions love to bring the cases. BTW, they should have transferred the Freddie Gay Case to Garrett County or one of the other civilized Maryland Counties if they didn't think they'd get a fair shake in Baltimore City.

And they didn't bring a case at all in the CP5 case.

No, prosecutors rarely go after cops, no matter what they get caught doing, and that's the problem. They need good relations with the cops to do their other cases.

It's why each state should have it own set of prosecutors who investigate and litigate police misconduct.

 

[Polishprince]

My point wasn't the fact that sometimes cops get exonerated in these cases- like the Baltimore officers were- but that the liberal jurisdictions love to bring the cases. BTW, they should have transferred the Freddie Gay Case to Garrett County or one of the other civilized Maryland Counties if they didn't think they'd get a fair shake in Baltimore City.

And they didn't bring a case at all in the CP5 case.

No, prosecutors rarely go after cops, no matter what they get caught doing, and that's the problem. They need good relations with the cops to do their other cases.

It's why each state should have it own set of prosecutors who investigate and litigate police misconduct.

Actually, they do, its called "Internal Affairs".

Caracappa and Eppolito were a couple of NYPD detectives that got busted and given long prison sentences for misconduct.

It happens.


Personally, I think we are seeing less conflicts between police and criminals than we had in the past. Situations like Baltimore, where the 6 officers were left penniless due to legal bills, or in Ferguson where the officer was left without a job, are being avoided by smarter police officers. Guys aren't rushing into problems like they used to. Michael Brown would have been steered around if he was walking down the middle of the street today- Officer Wilson avoid the confrontation and instead report to the local donut restaurant to flirt with the waitresses.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, they do, its called "Internal Affairs".

Caracappa and Eppolito were a couple of NYPD detectives that got busted and given long prison sentences for misconduct.

It happens.

Not often enough.

Letting cops investigate themselves is like letting the foxes run the henhouse.

Personally, I think we are seeing less conflicts between police and criminals than we had in the past. Situations like Baltimore, where the 6 officers were left penniless due to legal bills, or in Ferguson where the officer was left without a job, are being avoided by smarter police officers. Guys aren't rushing into problems like they used to. Michael Brown would have been steered around if he was walking down the middle of the street today- Officer Wilson avoid the confrontation and instead report to the local donut restaurant to flirt with the waitresses.

Since the cops never should have messed with Gray or Brown to start with, that would have been fine with me.

 

[EvMetro]

Actually, these big liberal cities LOVE to persecute police officers, ruin their lives and even send them to prison for dissing young black men, our nation's Titular Sacred Cows. Look at Baltimore and the 6 guys who incurred massive legal bills for the alleged death of Freddie Gay. Or the fellows who beat on the Late Rodney King or numerous other cases.

Okay- The six thugs who murdered Freddie.. They all got off because they couldn't tell which one for sure broke the man's neck... but his neck didn't break itself.

The Rodney King case- Acquitted the first time, minor charges for two of them the second.

Tamir Rice - Guy just got fired.
Mike Brown - No criminal charge.
LaQuan McDonald - three year sentence for shooting a kid 16 times.
Sandra Bland - No criminal charge
I could go on and on.... about how cops kill black folks and get away with it.

So that isn't the case here at all. They were protecting the CP5 from testifying and helping to keep their narrative alive. Since the settlement in the case of the CP5 wasn't made until 2014, 25 years after the case, the cops were all retired in Florida or deceased and could care less.

The corrupt prosecutors in that case are very much around.... I think one of them got her book deal cancelled.

But can you go on and on about how cops kill any of these black folks because of their race? I know you can't and won't.