Trump releases seven-point health care reform plan

[LoneLaugher]

WTF! cereal_killer ,

I decided to take a look online for more info on this plan and I discovered that he released it on MARCH 3rd. It's not new at all.

Why haven't we heard him talking about it every day since then? He never mentions it. Weird, huh?

Why did you post it like it was breaking news? Weird, dude.

 

[nat4900]

WTF! cereal_killer ,

I decided to take a look online for more info on this plan and I discovered that he released it on MARCH 3rd. It's not new at all.

Why haven't we heard him talking about it every day since then? He never mentions it. Weird, huh?

Why did you post it like it was breaking news? Weird, dude.

But, Trump IS NOW officially the presumptive GOP nominee.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Those with pre existing conditions are sheer out of luck................

 

[bendog]

You mean like what's happening under Obamacare RIGHT NOW?

You're forgetting that the penalty for NOT adhering to the mandate will soon reach the same amount as buying a HC policy.

The schedule for the penalties maxed out in 2016, so we're already at that point (2.5% of household income maximum per person yearly cost of a "bronze" plan or $695 per adult/$347.50 for children under 18 whichever is higher, maximum $2,085 ), and the situation with respect to the balance in the risk pools appears to be getting worse not better, so apparently young, healthy people are either confident that they can circumvent the penalties OR are going to wait until they get sick to sign up OR they just don't want to bother with insurance (probably because the law and the red tape that surrounds it is so confusing that nobody in their right mind wants anything to do with it) and are opting instead to pay either the yearly cost of the "bronze" plan as a maximum penalty or the $695 person/$2085 family.

Still paying $695 person/$2085 family is lot a pay for nothing. Waiting till you get sick to sign up for healthcare is not a good idea because you can only sign up for health insurance during open enrollment, usually about a one month period. I certainly would not want to have to deal with a serious heart problem, cancer, or accident for up to a year with no insurance.

For those with very low income, they can sign for Medicaid at no cost. For those with low incomes they take advantage of subsidies that significantly lower costs. For those in higher income brackets, going without health insurance can mean financial disaster. Unless, you have the financial means to pay for your healthcare, going without insurance is irresponsible and foolish.

I'm not a huge Obamacare supporter, but it's not without some benefit. That $695 is roughly the cost of a comprehensive internist annual visit. And Obamacare requires that, and other cancer screening (obgyn), be covered without meeting deductibles. And, there's contraceptives too. Obviously, some 25 year old healthy kid with no dependents isn't too worried about his annual heart and blood pressure and his basic cancers screenings. Not to mention the ten year colonoscopies. But, that's where the savings are in providing care to all. Keep us old fatties from having so many strokes.

 

[bendog]

Those with pre existing conditions are sheer out of luck................

No they're DEAD! Trump's a republican and he's not pandering to these USELESS TAKERS.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What I really like is the emphasis on expanded Health Savings Accounts, and the shift in tax deductibility to individuals. Another excellent proposal is price transparency.

Congress must act. Our elected representatives in the House and Senate must:

1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.

2. Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.

3. Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.

4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.

5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.

6. Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.

7. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

Full Health Care reform plan can be read here >>> Healthcare Reform

That's Ben Carson's Plan.

Trump may sweep all 57 states!

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

People can't write off their health insurance premiums if they can't afford to pay them in the first place.

HSA plans have two components: A high deductible health plan and another account to which you must contribute for use in paying the deductible. Combined, they're essentially the same cost as traditional health insurance premiums.

None of these "ideas" make it easier for people to afford or access critical preventive or diagnostic care, or prescription drugs.

There are too many people who don't understand how this works tossing out "ideas".
.

I beg to differ. As it currently stands most states only allow a couple insurance companies to operate within their borders. Essentially a monopoly state by state which railroads consumers into paying higher costs through lack of choices & competition.

We don't have they issue with car insurance, yet it is still quite expensive.

Car insurance is expensive? Really? Try eliminating all the competition and see where you end up lol

 

[boedicca]

A couple of things that are missing:

8. Remove barriers to interstate competition among health insurance companies and providers.

9. Malpractice tort reform (a la what is working in Texas) so that scum sucking lawyers can't prey on honest doctors.

 

[rightwinger]

A couple of things that are missing:

8. Remove barriers to interstate competition among health insurance companies and providers.

9. Malpractice tort reform (a la what is working in Texas) so that scum sucking lawyers can't prey on honest doctors.

Both are band-aids

 

[guno]

If we didn't have so called Obama care their would be no discussion on any health care, it would have been thee same ole same ole, now they cannot refuse sick people insurance

 

[Tom Horn]

Barry-Care was never intended to work....Gruber even admitted that. It was intended to fail so miserably that we would run to single-payer, which is what the leftists planned all along. And Barry couldn't be blamed and lose his library/mosque in Chicago because the real explosion in premiums will come next year. Anybody thinking this was anything but a massive grift should have been tipped off right away by the website being so poorly designed and defended from hackers.

 

[bendog]

Barry-Care was never intended to work....Gruber even admitted that. It was intended to fail so miserably that we would run to single-payer, which is what the leftists planned all along. And Barry couldn't be blamed and lose his library/mosque in Chicago because the real explosion in premiums will come next year. Anybody thinking this was anything but a massive grift should have been tipped off right away by the website being so poorly designed and defended from hackers.

It is/was a band aid. There's really no way to reform private health insurance the way we have it: where you obtain some comprehensive policy from a private company, and the only cost control is negotiation between the insurance company and provider. No other nation has that schizophrenic type of system, and for good reason. Basically, there were three possible solutions to cost increases.

1) single payer. Obama didn't have the votes.

2) A European model, where you had a basic care model with single payer. Basic wellness and hospital and catastrophic. And employers could offer "upgrades" and get tax help. Employers, employees, insurers and providers all negotiated what the "upgrades" were and how much the cost employers and workers. Obamacare most closely resembled this, but without the single payer aspect, and without insurers negotiating as much.

3) Tax credits for all private sector employees, with biz and providers being taxed to pay for them. And, people could/would purchase catastrophic insurance, and providers would directly compete for people wanting services. At one time, the gop might have been able to support this, but those funding the tea party fools convinced the fools the govt had not legit role in helping them not die.

 

[Brain357]

People can't write off their health insurance premiums if they can't afford to pay them in the first place.

HSA plans have two components: A high deductible health plan and another account to which you must contribute for use in paying the deductible. Combined, they're essentially the same cost as traditional health insurance premiums.

None of these "ideas" make it easier for people to afford or access critical preventive or diagnostic care, or prescription drugs.

There are too many people who don't understand how this works tossing out "ideas".
.

I beg to differ. As it currently stands most states only allow a couple insurance companies to operate within their borders. Essentially a monopoly state by state which railroads consumers into paying higher costs through lack of choices & competition.

We don't have they issue with car insurance, yet it is still quite expensive.

Car insurance is expensive? Really? Try eliminating all the competition and see where you end up lol

You think it is cheap?

 

[Tom Horn]

Barry-Care was never intended to work....Gruber even admitted that. It was intended to fail so miserably that we would run to single-payer, which is what the leftists planned all along. And Barry couldn't be blamed and lose his library/mosque in Chicago because the real explosion in premiums will come next year. Anybody thinking this was anything but a massive grift should have been tipped off right away by the website being so poorly designed and defended from hackers.

It is/was a band aid. There's really no way to reform private health insurance the way we have it: where you obtain some comprehensive policy from a private company, and the only cost control is negotiation between the insurance company and provider. No other nation has that schizophrenic type of system, and for good reason. Basically, there were three possible solutions to cost increases.

1) single payer. Obama didn't have the votes.

2) A European model, where you had a basic care model with single payer. Basic wellness and hospital and catastrophic. And employers could offer "upgrades" and get tax help. Employers, employees, insurers and providers all negotiated what the "upgrades" were and how much the cost employers and workers. Obamacare most closely resembled this, but without the single payer aspect, and without insurers negotiating as much.

3) Tax credits for all private sector employees, with biz and providers being taxed to pay for them. And, people could/would purchase catastrophic insurance, and providers would directly compete for people wanting services. At one time, the gop might have been able to support this, but those funding the tea party fools convinced the fools the govt had not legit role in helping them not die.

All they did was shift the burden onto Medicaid which did get people into doctor's offices who couldn't afford a $200 appointment they had to wait an hour and a half for and be late back to work. I remember when there was no health insurance and if you needed an operation, you saved up the few hundred dollars it cost and went in. Take the insurance companies out of the picture and you'll see the biggest price crash in medical procedures in history. What are the doctors and for-profit hospitals going to do if nobody can afford to go to them?

 

[boedicca]

A couple of things that are missing:

8. Remove barriers to interstate competition among health insurance companies and providers.

9. Malpractice tort reform (a la what is working in Texas) so that scum sucking lawyers can't prey on honest doctors.

Both are band-aids

Only to the economically unenlightened.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

People can't write off their health insurance premiums if they can't afford to pay them in the first place.

HSA plans have two components: A high deductible health plan and another account to which you must contribute for use in paying the deductible. Combined, they're essentially the same cost as traditional health insurance premiums.

None of these "ideas" make it easier for people to afford or access critical preventive or diagnostic care, or prescription drugs.

There are too many people who don't understand how this works tossing out "ideas".
.

I beg to differ. As it currently stands most states only allow a couple insurance companies to operate within their borders. Essentially a monopoly state by state which railroads consumers into paying higher costs through lack of choices & competition.

We don't have they issue with car insurance, yet it is still quite expensive.

Car insurance is expensive? Really? Try eliminating all the competition and see where you end up lol

You think it is cheap?

For the risk involved on the insurer's part, yeah pretty much.

 

[bendog]

Barry-Care was never intended to work....Gruber even admitted that. It was intended to fail so miserably that we would run to single-payer, which is what the leftists planned all along. And Barry couldn't be blamed and lose his library/mosque in Chicago because the real explosion in premiums will come next year. Anybody thinking this was anything but a massive grift should have been tipped off right away by the website being so poorly designed and defended from hackers.

It is/was a band aid. There's really no way to reform private health insurance the way we have it: where you obtain some comprehensive policy from a private company, and the only cost control is negotiation between the insurance company and provider. No other nation has that schizophrenic type of system, and for good reason. Basically, there were three possible solutions to cost increases.

1) single payer. Obama didn't have the votes.

2) A European model, where you had a basic care model with single payer. Basic wellness and hospital and catastrophic. And employers could offer "upgrades" and get tax help. Employers, employees, insurers and providers all negotiated what the "upgrades" were and how much the cost employers and workers. Obamacare most closely resembled this, but without the single payer aspect, and without insurers negotiating as much.

3) Tax credits for all private sector employees, with biz and providers being taxed to pay for them. And, people could/would purchase catastrophic insurance, and providers would directly compete for people wanting services. At one time, the gop might have been able to support this, but those funding the tea party fools convinced the fools the govt had not legit role in helping them not die.

All they did was shift the burden onto Medicaid which did get people into doctor's offices who couldn't afford a $200 appointment they had to wait an hour and a half for and be late back to work. I remember when there was no health insurance and if you needed an operation, you saved up the few hundred dollars it cost and went in. Take the insurance companies out of the picture and you'll see the biggest price crash in medical procedures in history. What are the doctors and for-profit hospitals going to do if nobody can afford to go to them?

Well, I'm 60 years old, and my dad always had employer sponsored. And the argument for Medicare was the elderly lacked insurance. The gop opposition was both libertarian and realistic because there already were govt supports for the elderly. But, I don't buy, or believe, the notion that people would just save up a couple of hundred.

But I agree there's no way to really control costs when the individual is not part of the bargaining process. Unless you go single payer. And that is very scary, given the dems want free shit for everyone, and the gop is very happy with tax cuts for the 1% and deficit spending.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Trump supporters mistake meaningless bullsh*t statements for profound truths — according to science
In the study, bullshit is used as a technical term and defined as, “communicative expression that lacks content, logic, or truth from the perspective of natural sciences.”

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Trump Proposes Replacing Obamacare with Government-Funded Universal Healthcare


“This is an Un-Republican thing for me to say.” “I don’t care if it costs me votes or not.”



Two and a half years ago:

The outcome will be a catastrophe. ObamaCare will bankrupt the federal budget as well as most state budgets. Eventually, it will be so disastrous that the American people will cry out for single payer healthcare. Obama will be well into retirement at that point, laughing his ass off on the golf course. If I am wrong on this point, it will be that it will happen sooner than I expect.

TA-DAAAAAA!

Just a matter of time now. The people will cry out for singler payer health care.

Obamacare just failing and flailing wildly on its own.

And the people will cry out for single payer.

Just a matter of time now. The people will cry out for singler payer health care.

Why, Obamacare is here to stay and anyone that bitchs is just a far right hater... Obamacare could never just fail and piss off hundreds of millions on it's own, like it's currently doing. No it has to be some bullshit effort from the side of the Republicans, sabotaging Obamacare right g5?



Point is, Obama can be repealed simply because it will be unsustainable. It will not matter is Republicans chit talk it, it's doomed because it started too big and too late in the game for America, we already are running deficits due to other giant failing programs, but these programs already have most the nation hooked on it's welfare.

ObamaCare will one day be repealed. That much is true.

It will be repealed when it is replaced by single payer.

Its an amazing paradox, yet millions are converting over to his ideology. He may win in a reaganesque landslide.

 

[rightwinger]

A couple of things that are missing:

8. Remove barriers to interstate competition among health insurance companies and providers.

9. Malpractice tort reform (a la what is working in Texas) so that scum sucking lawyers can't prey on honest doctors.

Both are band-aids

Only to the economically unenlightened.

Not really...you are looking at pennies off your healthcare bill