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Trump will walk into the convention with more than 1,237. It's all but over after Indiana. It's been over for quite some time but its going to take the total dismemberment of Cruz for the #nevertrump/GOPe to throw the towel.If Trump hits the 1237 the question is moot. Those delegates taken cannot switch until a second ballot. 1237 on the first and its over.
In order to stop the RNC from taking away the election from Trump Trump is going to have win overwhelmingly. He is going to lose a few delegates because of cheating. He is going to have to have a lot more than 1237 because of that. It is unfortunate but that is the reality.
I'm beginning to wonder if the democrats were right about Florida in 2000.
In order to stop the RNC from taking away the election from Trump Trump is going to have win overwhelmingly. He is going to lose a few delegates because of cheating. He is going to have to have a lot more than 1237 because of that. It is unfortunate but that is the reality.
I'm beginning to wonder if the democrats were right about Florida in 2000.
Maniacal... So now you've concocted some hypothetical sinister conspiracy theory in your head and the paranoia is causing you to think Democrats were right about Florida in 2000? Is that what you're telling us?
The chances of Trump landing on exactly 1,237 delegates is near impossible. Generally, candidates who are over the 1,237 before the convention are over by enough of a margin that a few delegates won't matter. There are always a few delegates who are unbound and change their votes at the last minute... usually in support of some third party candidate. This isn't "cheating" it's part of the process.
It sounds to me like you are setting up the scenario for if Trump gets close but fails to get the 1,237 on the first ballot... you can start hollering about cheating and rigged systems.
In 1980, Ronald Reagan's team had crunched the numbers and though they were over the 1,237 needed, it wasn't by a lot. They feared the same thing, that the establishment would work some back room deal to peel off some of his delegates and prevent him from a win on the first ballot. As a strategic move to prevent this, he nominated HW Bush as his VP. Well, it turned out he really didn't need to have done that, he won by a substantial margin. But that's the process, that's how campaigns have to strategize.
So to Trump AND his supporters... Stop the infantile whining about cheating and rigged systems and get the fucking job done. Ya boy is supposed to be good at closing deals... close the fucking deal and shut the fuck up. This incessant whining and moaning about things not being "fairrrr" makes you all sound like a bunch of milquetoast liberals.
I read the story and the delegates decided not to elect Trump because more people voted against him than for him. Technichally that is true but only because you added up both Cruiz and Kasich together which is more than the total vote for Trump but Trump still beats either of them by a landslide. And don't give me this crap that it is the rules and that makes it good because slavery was a rule and that didn't make it OK to do. What is the point of having an election if the party is just going to override it?
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The GOP operates under the same guideline it has operated under since it's inception in 1856, requiring the nominee to secure a MAJORITY of delegates. It has nothing to do with how many people voted for whom. Delegates are awarded in different ways depending on the state party rules, and it's always been like that... it's NEVER been who gets the most votes.
If the rules are tilted in anyone's favor it is the front-runner and candidate who gets a plurality. Trump enjoys many "winner take all" delegates that he did not earn by a vote of the people! He happened to have more votes than anyone else, so he got all the delegates. In some states, if he got over a certain percent of the vote, he won all the delegates, the other candidates got NONE! Is that fairrrrr?
This is SO frustrating to me because we studied about this stuff in like 7th grade Civics... The party nomination process has never been a "pure democratic" process and there is a very good reason for that. It's designed to prevent some fly-by-night populist lynch mob from taking over the party! What if the Bible-thumpers all got together and decided they wanted a Christian GOP? They outnumber every other voting demographic so if we had a "pure democratic" system, they could control the party and we'd always have the Christian-picked candidate as the nominee. Ya think you'd like that?
It's designed to prevent some fly-by-night populist lynch mob from taking over the party!
Where is that ever written that the purpose of delegates was to stop some fly by night person? I'm just kind of curious where it is written that the purpose of the rules were for that?
In order to stop the RNC from taking away the election from Trump Trump is going to have win overwhelmingly. He is going to lose a few delegates because of cheating. He is going to have to have a lot more than 1237 because of that. It is unfortunate but that is the reality.
I'm beginning to wonder if the democrats were right about Florida in 2000.
it's not cheating, it's understanding the rules and executing, regardless of how democratic the process was.
Florida :
1. Removing people from the voter roles who had the right to vote
2. A crappy designed ballot that led many older Jewish voters to cast a vote for Pat Buchanan (even he says those votes shouldn't have been his)
3. Stopping the recount
4. The Democrats only wanting to count in select counties when it should have been a statewide recount.
Florida has nothing to do with Trump's incompetence and most of the items above are not from "cheating".
In order to stop the RNC from taking away the election from Trump Trump is going to have win overwhelmingly. He is going to lose a few delegates because of cheating. He is going to have to have a lot more than 1237 because of that. It is unfortunate but that is the reality.
I'm beginning to wonder if the democrats were right about Florida in 2000.
it's not cheating, it's understanding the rules and executing, regardless of how democratic the process was.
Florida :
1. Removing people from the voter roles who had the right to vote
2. A crappy designed ballot that led many older Jewish voters to cast a vote for Pat Buchanan (even he says those votes shouldn't have been his)
3. Stopping the recount
4. The Democrats only wanting to count in select counties when it should have been a statewide recount.
Florida has nothing to do with Trump's incompetence and most of the items above are not from "cheating".
Of the course the Democrat solution to all that was to put two Democrats and one Republican in a room to vote on what the intention of the voter was.
Good thing the Supremes had the courage to put an end to that nonsense so the Democrats couldn't steal the election.
They were based on local election boards and there is zero evidence that any of them favored any one particular candidate.
They were based on local election boards and there is zero evidence that any of them favored any one particular candidate.
But there's NOT zero evidence that most of them belonged to the Democrat party.
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They were based on local election boards and there is zero evidence that any of them favored any one particular candidate.
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They were based on local election boards and there is zero evidence that any of them favored any one particular candidate.
Bullshit!
Your assumption that the two Democrats were going to be impartial is unadulterated bullshit. It was never gonna happen. We saw how the local Democrats managed the election results in Homestead in 2012 when that idiot Obama got 120% of the registered votes.
Two Democrats and one Republican voting on the intent of the voter. Who in the hell do you think is going to get the most votes?
The state of Florida certified the election after a recount and the Supreme Court determined that was valid.
Get over it. Just thank god that the batshit crazy Loony Tune Gore was not elected President. It would have been like the Obama's disaster eight years earlier.
I don't think he will have a problem getting to 'more than' the 1237.In order to stop the RNC from taking away the election from Trump Trump is going to have win overwhelmingly. He is going to lose a few delegates because of cheating. He is going to have to have a lot more than 1237 because of that. It is unfortunate but that is the reality.
I'm beginning to wonder if the democrats were right about Florida in 2000.
bullshit no way gore could have done worse than that war happy pos gwb[Q
They were based on local election boards and there is zero evidence that any of them favored any one particular candidate.
Bullshit!
Your assumption that the two Democrats were going to be impartial is unadulterated bullshit. It was never gonna happen. We saw how the local Democrats managed the election results in Homestead in 2012 when that idiot Obama got 120% of the registered votes.
Two Democrats and one Republican voting on the intent of the voter. Who in the hell do you think is going to get the most votes?
The state of Florida certified the election after a recount and the Supreme Court determined that was valid.
Get over it. Just thank god that the batshit crazy Loony Tune Gore was not elected President. It would have been like the Obama's disaster eight years earlier.
We hope he does Can't wait to hear him yell collusion when hill wipes him outI don't think he will have a problem getting to 'more than' the 1237.In order to stop the RNC from taking away the election from Trump Trump is going to have win overwhelmingly. He is going to lose a few delegates because of cheating. He is going to have to have a lot more than 1237 because of that. It is unfortunate but that is the reality.
I'm beginning to wonder if the democrats were right about Florida in 2000.
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Oh, conspiracy. Obama stole Florida in 2012.
bullshit no way gore could have done worse than that war happy pos gwb[Q
They were based on local election boards and there is zero evidence that any of them favored any one particular candidate.
Bullshit!
Your assumption that the two Democrats were going to be impartial is unadulterated bullshit. It was never gonna happen. We saw how the local Democrats managed the election results in Homestead in 2012 when that idiot Obama got 120% of the registered votes.
Two Democrats and one Republican voting on the intent of the voter. Who in the hell do you think is going to get the most votes?
The state of Florida certified the election after a recount and the Supreme Court determined that was valid.
Get over it. Just thank god that the batshit crazy Loony Tune Gore was not elected President. It would have been like the Obama's disaster eight years earlier.
They were based on local election boards and there is zero evidence that any of them favored any one particular candidate.
But there's NOT zero evidence that most of them belonged to the Democrat party.
Well, they were watched like eagles from representatives from both parties. In a close election recounts. In a close election recounts are common and you have to recount them some how.
And just how much of that would have happened if your bush moron didn't pull the trigger??bullshit no way gore could have done worse than that war happy pos gwb[Q
They were based on local election boards and there is zero evidence that any of them favored any one particular candidate.
Bullshit!
Your assumption that the two Democrats were going to be impartial is unadulterated bullshit. It was never gonna happen. We saw how the local Democrats managed the election results in Homestead in 2012 when that idiot Obama got 120% of the registered votes.
Two Democrats and one Republican voting on the intent of the voter. Who in the hell do you think is going to get the most votes?
The state of Florida certified the election after a recount and the Supreme Court determined that was valid.
Get over it. Just thank god that the batshit crazy Loony Tune Gore was not elected President. It would have been like the Obama's disaster eight years earlier.
Gore, along with Hillary and Kerry and many more Democrats supported the war and Obama fought the war in Iraq for three years, called it a success, escalated the war in Afghanistan, bombed Syria (how did that work out for you?) and is now sending more troops back to Iraq so don't give me that bullshit. Obama has been at war every day of his administration.
They were based on local election boards and there is zero evidence that any of them favored any one particular candidate.
But there's NOT zero evidence that most of them belonged to the Democrat party.
Well, they were watched like eagles from representatives from both parties. In a close election recounts. In a close election recounts are common and you have to recount them some how.
Look... we have an election process. People go, they vote, their votes are counted... IF they don't properly record their vote, their vote doesn't count.... that has ALWAYS been the rule. But just like a bunch of whiny Trump supporters, when the rules don't fit your preconceived outcome, you moan and complain about the rules and try to change things. And that's what the Democrats did in Florida.
So then, they were recounting ballots and looking at chads to determine "voter intent" in order to get Al Gore some more votes. But what about all the other people in the other states (or even in other parts of Florida) who might have filled out a ballot improperly for Bush? They didn't get their votes counted by special selection and scrutiny. Millions and millions of ballots nationwide were rejected because they weren't completed properly...that's the rules... that's how we do it.
You can't wait until after the football game is over and then go back and look at the replay and pick out penalties that were missed or blown calls to change the outcome. That's not the rules... that's not how the game is played.
