CDZ Trump: "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters"

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    What makes Trump supporters tick? This is an interesting analysis and makes a lot of sense. Please discuss, civily, the ideas in the analysis.

    "During and after World War II, psychologists conceived of the authoritarian personality as a pattern of attitudes and values revolving around adherence to society’s traditional norms, submission to authorities who personify or reinforce those norms, and antipathy—to the point of hatred and aggression—toward those who either challenge in-group norms or lie outside their orbit. Among white Americans, high scores on measures of authoritarianism today tend to be associated with prejudice against a wide range of “out-groups,” including homosexuals, African Americans, immigrants, and Muslims. Authoritarianism is also associated with suspiciousness of the humanities and the arts, and with cognitive rigidity, militaristic sentiments, and Christian fundamentalism.

    When individuals with authoritarian proclivities fear that their way of life is being threatened, they may turn to strong leaders who promise to keep them safe—leaders like Donald Trump. In a national poll conducted recently by the political scientist Matthew MacWilliams, high levels of authoritarianism emerged as the single strongest predictor of expressing political support for Donald Trump. Trump’s promise to build a wall on the Mexican border to keep illegal immigrants out and his railing against Muslims and other outsiders have presumably fed that dynamic.

    As the social psychologist Jesse Graham has noted, Trump appeals to an ancient fear of contagion, which analogizes out-groups to parasites, poisons, and other impurities. In this regard, it is perhaps no psychological accident that Trump displays a phobia of germs, and seems repulsed by bodily fluids, especially women’s. He famously remarked that Megyn Kelly of Fox News had “blood coming out of her wherever,” and he repeatedly characterized Hillary Clinton’s bathroom break during a Democratic debate as “disgusting.” Disgust is a primal response to impurity. On a daily basis, Trump seems to experience more disgust, or at least to say he does, than most people do.

    The authoritarian mandate is to ensure the security, purity, and goodness of the in-group—to keep the good stuff in and the bad stuff out. In the 1820s, white settlers in Georgia and other frontier areas lived in constant fear of American Indian tribes. They resented the federal government for not keeping them safe from what they perceived to be a mortal threat and a corrupting contagion. Responding to these fears, President Jackson pushed hard for the passage of the Indian Removal Act, which eventually led to the forced relocation of 45,000 American Indians. At least 4,000 Cherokees died on the Trail of Tears, which ran from Georgia to the Oklahoma territory.

    An American strand of authoritarianism may help explain why the thrice-married, foul-mouthed Donald Trump should prove to be so attractive to white Christian evangelicals. As Jerry Falwell Jr. told The New York Times in February, “All the social issues—traditional family values, abortion—are moot if isis blows up some of our cities or if the borders are not fortified.” Rank-and-file evangelicals “are trying to save the country,” Falwell said. Being “saved” has a special resonance among evangelicals—saved from sin and damnation, of course, but also saved from the threats and impurities of a corrupt and dangerous world.

    When my research associates and I once asked politically conservative Christians scoring high on authoritarianism to imagine what their life (and their world) might have been like had they never found religious faith, many described utter chaos—families torn apart, rampant infidelity and hate, cities on fire, the inner rings of hell. By contrast, equally devout politically liberal Christians who scored low on authoritarianism described a barren world depleted of all resources, joyless and bleak, like the arid surface of the moon. For authoritarian Christians, a strong faith—like a strong leader—saves them from chaos and tamps down fears and conflicts. Donald Trump is a savior, even if he preens and swears, and waffles on the issue of abortion.

    In December, on the campaign trail in Raleigh, North Carolina, Trump stoked fears in his audience by repeatedly saying that “something bad is happening” and “something really dangerous is going on.” He was asked by a 12-year-old girl from Virginia, “I’m scared—what are you going to do to protect this country?”

    Trump responded: “You know what, darling? You’re not going to be scared anymore. They’re going to be scared.” "


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    It's interesting that Trump basically told them they were idiots, and they love him for it.
     
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    Kind of like you huh... The fact remains that all the Party's are guilty of this blind loyalty.





     
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    Please discuss the analysis in the OP. Thank you.
     
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    I did. The delusion is political Party wide. You focus one one side, but ignore the delusion in your own ranks.
     
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    Please clarify what your point is and refer your to the analysis. Thank you. What delusion are you referring to?
     
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    You claim that trump supporters are secretly nazi sympathizers (i.e. lovers of authoritarianzim) yet the evidence is that trump is undoing the very real authoritarian deeds that obama in fact, did. The overwhelming majority of trumps EO's have been to undo the extra legal EO's that obama put in place. I submit that it is the progressives who are the authoritarians as they cheered every time obama wrote one of his illegal EO's. You are factually, and philosophically wrong.
     
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    I know that Trump is deregulating things that protect the environment. How is protecting the environment authoritarian?
     
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    The way obama did it was illegal. He ordered the various government agency's to write new regulations that ignored the real science that was already known. The EPA overstepped its authority in many respects. You all love to point to the Clean Water Act as evidence that trump is trying to poison the world but what he did was remove the EPA's ability to declare a farmers pond as wetland and use that ruling to confiscate his property. They were also fining companies millions of dollars for not using a fuel that didn't even exist. ALL of those ridiculous, illegal rules were eliminated.


    "When the companies that supply motor fuel close the books on 2011, they will pay about $6.8 million in penalties to the Treasury because they failed to mix a special type of biofuel into their gasoline and diesel as required by law.

    But there was none to be had. Outside a handful of laboratories and workshops, the ingredient, cellulosic biofuel, does not exist. "

    A Fine for Not Using a Biofuel That Doesn?t Exist - Democratic Underground
     
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    And when was a farmer's pond declared 'wetland' and confiscated by the
    authorities'?
    And an Alex Jones link won't constitute 'proof'.
     
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