Trump EPA chief jettisoning alarmists from advisory panel!!

[Old Rocks]

0.4 between 1960 and 1980. Since then, some rather larger increases.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_October_2017_v6-1.jpg

We shall start at the median line for 1980, which is about 0. The highest median line since then is 0.5 for 2016. 0.4 + 0.5 since 1960 is 0.9 C. Rather significant.

 

[mamooth]

In the field of climate science, those who provide alarmist data and/or conclusions get rewarded with more funding and increased reputation. The reverse is also true.

I understand how the CultOfMcIntyre instructs you to say such crazy things. After all, they know that a lack of evidence won't stop you from believing.

As far as lobbyists go, the money is skewed at least a hundred to one.

True dat. Fossil fuel lobbyists toss out the cash, while almost nobody lobbies for the other side. All of the bribery and corruption is on the denier side.

 

[skookerasbil]

none of those graphs are mattering. C'mon now.......we've all been seeing them in one shape or form for 20+ years and what??

I'll tell you what............nothing. Nada. Egg. Zero. The climate hero's keep churning out the science, year after year, but nobody is caring.

Meanwhile, bitter temps in the northeast this weekend......... Cold, windy weather to blast Northeast this weekend - CNN

Might not matter to the members of the religion. But it does to the regular folks out there who's perception of the local climate has a HUGE effect on how they view climate change. The research says so...........

http://www.pnas.org/content/109/37/E2415.full


So one can easily see the dynamic here.........the religion continues to take bows on its science and have been doing so for almost 25 years. But it doesn't matter for dick if nobody is caring.

 

[Billy_Bob]

In the field of climate science, those who provide alarmist data and/or conclusions get rewarded with more funding and increased reputation. The reverse is also true.

I understand how the CultOfMcIntyre instructs you to say such crazy things. After all, they know that a lack of evidence won't stop you from believing.

As far as lobbyists go, the money is skewed at least a hundred to one.

True dat. Fossil fuel lobbyists toss out the cash, while almost nobody lobbies for the other side. All of the bribery and corruption is on the denier side.

What a load of bull shit.. 890 billion dollars has been shelled out for your climate crusade... while us skeptics only moneyed up a little over 82 million.. When real science is done the lies are easily exposed...

 

[bripat9643]

Provide one that deals with shukla.

I will, but as I said it is up to you to prove your point, not me.

Daily Signal - Heritage Foundation rag.
Audit Details Misuse of Taxpayer Funds by Climate Researcher

Fox news. 'Nuff said
Climate spin: Behind-the-scenes emails show profs evading questions

Willaim F Buckley rag
Emails between Pro-RICO Climate Scientists Made Public

Title of rag says it all

Institute of Global Environment and Society - Left Exposed

I could go on. And you know what, this was a story in 2015. What's happened? Nothing. Gee, I wonder why?

You sure didn't look very hard. How about SCIENCE. Is that legit enough for you?

"A scientist who helped organize a call for a federal investigation of the fossil fuel industry—for allegedly orchestrating a cover-up of climate change dangers—has himself become the target of a congressional probe.

Last week, Representative Lamar Smith (R–TX), the chairman of the science panel of the House of Representatives, announced plans to investigate a nonprofit research group led by climate scientist Jagadish Shukla of George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. He is the lead signer of a letter to White House officials that urges the use of an antiracketeering law to crack down on energy firms that have funded efforts to raise doubts about climate science."

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015...al-investigation-feels-heat-house-republicans

Seventy-five years ago this August, a Soviet biologist named Trofim Lysenko was anointed head of the USSR's Institute of Genetics. The son of peasants, his sweeping theories on farming dazzled Josef Stalin and were made mandatory across the empire.

They were hardly a panacea: Soviet farms floundered, yet more than 3,000 scientists who proposed alternatives were questioned, exiled or even executed, no matter the mountain of evidence that natural selection – not some mystical Russian-style communalism, as Lysenko believed – was what made crops grow.

Some see a bit of a parallel between the Soviet-style intimidation and a recent campaign in the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, where Chairman Lamar Smith has pressed forward with a probe questioning the processes and findings of a federal scientific agency – one that has led critics to accuse the Texas Republican of abusing his power and to warn of a chilling effect on further scientific research. Smith has demanded via subpoena, public pronouncements and heated letters that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration turn over internal emails on global warming research. The Texas Republican also has sought to bring agency staffers and NOAA Administrator Kathryn Sullivan into closed-door, deposition-like interviews.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/23/lamar-smith-is-hot-about-noaas-climate-science

Lamar Smith is a lying 'Conservative' cocksuck. He knows nothing of science and is very proud of it. Like you, a Stalinist all the way.

So you think government employees can conduct their jobs in secret, and the public, who pays their salaries, has no right to know?

Who is really the Stalinist here?

 

[bripat9643]

[
You don't get to be the arbitrator who decides who is or who is not legitimate. The opinions are based on sound science. Sad that you think only science as you think it should be is right..

Neither do you . And no they are not. Science is science. It's not fake news. I know that's hard for the likes of you..

Yes, science is science, but what self described "climatologists" do is not science. It's propaganda.

 

[Billy_Bob]

The world is getting warmer. Whether the cause is human activity or natural variability—and the preponderance of evidence says it’s humans—thermometer readings all around the world have risen steadily since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. (Click on bullets above to step through the decades.)

According to an ongoing temperature analysis conducted by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), the average global temperature on Earth has increased by about 0.8° Celsius (1.4° Fahrenheit) since 1880. Two-thirds of the warming has occurred since 1975, at a rate of roughly 0.15-0.20°C per decade.

But why should we care about one degree of warming? After all, the temperature fluctuates by many degrees every day where we live.

The global temperature record represents an average over the entire surface of the planet. The temperatures we experience locally and in short periods can fluctuate significantly due to predictable cyclical events (night and day, summer and winter) and hard-to-predict wind and precipitation patterns. But the global temperature mainly depends on how much energy the planet receives from the Sun and how much it radiates back into space—quantities that change very little. The amount of energy radiated by the Earth depends significantly on the chemical composition of the atmosphere, particularly the amount of heat-trapping greenhouse gases.

World of Change: Global Temperatures : Feature Articles

I think that NASA is a source I would trust before the frauds of WUWT and other politically driven sites.

That entire link is over seven years old. Might want to update your source material.

Well, Mr. Westwall, you might wish to retake third grade math. At that time the rise was 0.8 C. Rise at the rate of 0.15 C to 0.2 C. So that was seven years ago. In that seven years we have had the warmest 3 years since we have been keeping records. Yes, we are at 1 C right now, and nowhere near doubling the CO2. Arrhenius and the present day scientists are correct in their predictions for the rise in temperatures for a doubling of CO2, you flap yaps are completely wrong.

No, that is a meme promulgated through the claim that the climatologists can make statements of accuracy to within .04 of a degree, when the thermocouples and thermometers they use are only capable of accuracy to within .1 of a degree C. In other words, their claims are preposterous.

That is one problem.

I am more concerned with supposed certainty bleeding over into areas where it doesn't belong.

The USA is well measured and shows little warming. Africa is extremely poorly measured both in area and time. Yet the two areas are both considered reliable, and Africa has a much greater impact because it is a much greater land mass.

The fiasco in South America two years ago shows just how easily temperature records can be manipulated by homogenization.

As is so often the case, the poorest data makes the highest impact.

poorest data or made up data....?

The bigger issue is the made up data where no ability to measure surface temps exist.. and some how the computer always makes it much hotter than the surrounding areas.. even over the ocean..

 

[Old Rocks]

Once more Silly Billy is lying, and knows it. No data? The US, EU, Japan, China, Russia, and India all have satellites measuring the temperatures. Ample data, no brains on the part of Silly Billy in thinking that he can get away with such a stupid lie.

 

[Old Rocks]

[
You don't get to be the arbitrator who decides who is or who is not legitimate. The opinions are based on sound science. Sad that you think only science as you think it should be is right..

Neither do you . And no they are not. Science is science. It's not fake news. I know that's hard for the likes of you..

Yes, science is science, but what self described "climatologists" do is not science. It's propaganda.

You silly lying little dumb fuck, it is not just climatologists, it is geologists, glaciologists, hydrologists, biologists, and atmospheric physicists all saying that AGW is real and a clear and present danger. Every Scientific Society has policy statements that say that, as does every National Academy of Science. Such a silly little bitch you are to lie through your teeth that way.

 

[Old Rocks]

Provide one that deals with shukla.

I will, but as I said it is up to you to prove your point, not me.

Daily Signal - Heritage Foundation rag.
Audit Details Misuse of Taxpayer Funds by Climate Researcher

Fox news. 'Nuff said
Climate spin: Behind-the-scenes emails show profs evading questions

Willaim F Buckley rag
Emails between Pro-RICO Climate Scientists Made Public

Title of rag says it all

Institute of Global Environment and Society - Left Exposed

I could go on. And you know what, this was a story in 2015. What's happened? Nothing. Gee, I wonder why?

You sure didn't look very hard. How about SCIENCE. Is that legit enough for you?

"A scientist who helped organize a call for a federal investigation of the fossil fuel industry—for allegedly orchestrating a cover-up of climate change dangers—has himself become the target of a congressional probe.

Last week, Representative Lamar Smith (R–TX), the chairman of the science panel of the House of Representatives, announced plans to investigate a nonprofit research group led by climate scientist Jagadish Shukla of George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. He is the lead signer of a letter to White House officials that urges the use of an antiracketeering law to crack down on energy firms that have funded efforts to raise doubts about climate science."

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015...al-investigation-feels-heat-house-republicans

Seventy-five years ago this August, a Soviet biologist named Trofim Lysenko was anointed head of the USSR's Institute of Genetics. The son of peasants, his sweeping theories on farming dazzled Josef Stalin and were made mandatory across the empire.

They were hardly a panacea: Soviet farms floundered, yet more than 3,000 scientists who proposed alternatives were questioned, exiled or even executed, no matter the mountain of evidence that natural selection – not some mystical Russian-style communalism, as Lysenko believed – was what made crops grow.

Some see a bit of a parallel between the Soviet-style intimidation and a recent campaign in the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, where Chairman Lamar Smith has pressed forward with a probe questioning the processes and findings of a federal scientific agency – one that has led critics to accuse the Texas Republican of abusing his power and to warn of a chilling effect on further scientific research. Smith has demanded via subpoena, public pronouncements and heated letters that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration turn over internal emails on global warming research. The Texas Republican also has sought to bring agency staffers and NOAA Administrator Kathryn Sullivan into closed-door, deposition-like interviews.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/23/lamar-smith-is-hot-about-noaas-climate-science

Lamar Smith is a lying 'Conservative' cocksuck. He knows nothing of science and is very proud of it. Like you, a Stalinist all the way.

So you think government employees can conduct their jobs in secret, and the public, who pays their salaries, has no right to know?

Who is really the Stalinist here?

Silly bastard, they publish their results in the PNAS. Lamar is not trying to make the process of grants for real scientific research more open, he is trying to shut it down. A real neanderthal asshole.

 

[Old Rocks]

But not to worry, when President Pence fails to win his first Presidential election in 2020, Pruit will be rode out of town on a rail, and sanity will return.

 

[bripat9643]

Provide one that deals with shukla.

I will, but as I said it is up to you to prove your point, not me.

Daily Signal - Heritage Foundation rag.
Audit Details Misuse of Taxpayer Funds by Climate Researcher

Fox news. 'Nuff said
Climate spin: Behind-the-scenes emails show profs evading questions

Willaim F Buckley rag
Emails between Pro-RICO Climate Scientists Made Public

Title of rag says it all

Institute of Global Environment and Society - Left Exposed

I could go on. And you know what, this was a story in 2015. What's happened? Nothing. Gee, I wonder why?

You sure didn't look very hard. How about SCIENCE. Is that legit enough for you?

"A scientist who helped organize a call for a federal investigation of the fossil fuel industry—for allegedly orchestrating a cover-up of climate change dangers—has himself become the target of a congressional probe.

Last week, Representative Lamar Smith (R–TX), the chairman of the science panel of the House of Representatives, announced plans to investigate a nonprofit research group led by climate scientist Jagadish Shukla of George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. He is the lead signer of a letter to White House officials that urges the use of an antiracketeering law to crack down on energy firms that have funded efforts to raise doubts about climate science."

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015...al-investigation-feels-heat-house-republicans

Seventy-five years ago this August, a Soviet biologist named Trofim Lysenko was anointed head of the USSR's Institute of Genetics. The son of peasants, his sweeping theories on farming dazzled Josef Stalin and were made mandatory across the empire.

They were hardly a panacea: Soviet farms floundered, yet more than 3,000 scientists who proposed alternatives were questioned, exiled or even executed, no matter the mountain of evidence that natural selection – not some mystical Russian-style communalism, as Lysenko believed – was what made crops grow.

Some see a bit of a parallel between the Soviet-style intimidation and a recent campaign in the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, where Chairman Lamar Smith has pressed forward with a probe questioning the processes and findings of a federal scientific agency – one that has led critics to accuse the Texas Republican of abusing his power and to warn of a chilling effect on further scientific research. Smith has demanded via subpoena, public pronouncements and heated letters that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration turn over internal emails on global warming research. The Texas Republican also has sought to bring agency staffers and NOAA Administrator Kathryn Sullivan into closed-door, deposition-like interviews.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/23/lamar-smith-is-hot-about-noaas-climate-science

Lamar Smith is a lying 'Conservative' cocksuck. He knows nothing of science and is very proud of it. Like you, a Stalinist all the way.

So you think government employees can conduct their jobs in secret, and the public, who pays their salaries, has no right to know?

Who is really the Stalinist here?

Silly bastard, they publish their results in the PNAS. Lamar is not trying to make the process of grants for real scientific research more open, he is trying to shut it down. A real neanderthal asshole.

How would getting access to their emails shut it down unless there was something incriminating in those emails?

 

[Old Rocks]

Well now, far more important to get access to Lamar's e-mails, private and government, as we already know that the admin has used such for treasonous activities with Russia. And what the hell gives a politician the right to access a scientists private e-mails?

 

[bripat9643]

In the field of climate science, those who provide alarmist data and/or conclusions get rewarded with more funding and increased reputation. The reverse is also true.

I understand how the CultOfMcIntyre instructs you to say such crazy things. After all, they know that a lack of evidence won't stop you from believing.

As far as lobbyists go, the money is skewed at least a hundred to one.

True dat. Fossil fuel lobbyists toss out the cash, while almost nobody lobbies for the other side. All of the bribery and corruption is on the denier side.

Government tosses out 1000 times more cash than the so-called "fossil fuel lobby."

 

[bripat9643]

Well now, far more important to get access to Lamar's e-mails, private and government, as we already know that the admin has used such for treasonous activities with Russia. And what the hell gives a politician the right to access a scientists private e-mails?

Private emails? Unless he is indicted for fraud, they don't. However, his work emails are government property. Congress has a right to see them all.

 

[bripat9643]

Well now, far more important to get access to Lamar's e-mails, private and government, as we already know that the admin has used such for treasonous activities with Russia. And what the hell gives a politician the right to access a scientists private e-mails?

If they are on a govenrment email server, then they are government property.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Once more Silly Billy is lying, and knows it. No data? The US, EU, Japan, China, Russia, and India all have satellites measuring the temperatures. Ample data, no brains on the part of Silly Billy in thinking that he can get away with such a stupid lie.

BWhaaaaaaaaaaaa

Your ignorance is stunning.. But then you seem to think that modeling is empirical evidence of some sort... Again, without ground based stations to confirm data created, the models can say what ever they want them too and no one can refute the lies... And that's the way you alarmists like it..

 

[skookerasbil]

C'mon now.........nobody cares about the Russian "collusion" crap at this point except the suckers ( or the 147 people who tune in to watch CNN every night ).

By the way.........does anybody know? Has anybody on any of these k00k networks defined "collusion" yet?


Top NSA Whistleblower Claims "Russiagate" A Fake To Increase War-Spending

 

[Old Rocks]

Once more Silly Billy is lying, and knows it. No data? The US, EU, Japan, China, Russia, and India all have satellites measuring the temperatures. Ample data, no brains on the part of Silly Billy in thinking that he can get away with such a stupid lie.

BWhaaaaaaaaaaaa

Your ignorance is stunning.. But then you seem to think that modeling is empirical evidence of some sort... Again, without ground based stations to confirm data created, the models can say what ever they want them too and no one can refute the lies... And that's the way you alarmists like it..

Stupid ass, satellite observations are not modeling.

 

[skookerasbil]

Once more Silly Billy is lying, and knows it. No data? The US, EU, Japan, China, Russia, and India all have satellites measuring the temperatures. Ample data, no brains on the part of Silly Billy in thinking that he can get away with such a stupid lie.

BWhaaaaaaaaaaaa

Your ignorance is stunning.. But then you seem to think that modeling is empirical evidence of some sort... Again, without ground based stations to confirm data created, the models can say what ever they want them too and no one can refute the lies... And that's the way you alarmists like it..

Stupid ass, satellite observations are not modeling.

Modeling cannot be used to predict the climate.

How do we know?

Because in the early 90's, the IPCC admitted it. As time went on, they were not truthful about the uncertainties.

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