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    The "secret information" looks to be a part of the Russian thing which has been going on for a while. You seem to be arguing that the CIA is trying to control things by telling u what the government is doing.
    Fair enough if you think that is wrong. But you cant have it both ways.It is not a partisan issue and politicians from all sides would get the protection you want for Trump.

    That cant be good for democracy.
     
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    Allowing your enemy to attack you without any response or attempt at fighting back, is a sure fire way to lose.

    That you want to blame the victim(s) of an attack, for fighting back, is your liberalism warping your perceptions.

    This should be noted, though, by all those lefties who insist that you are not a real liberal.:beer:
     
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    Well it is made up. I have never excused rape rings of any sort. Please provide the evidence or withdraw your remarks.
     
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    1 Nope. That was not what motivated the leaks, which were well before that.

    2. Nope. The Deep State assholes of the CIA think they are smarter and better and thus know what policy should be, even though making policy is NOT their job.

    3. I have never supported cia leaks to undermine Obama's policy, nor other Deep State types working against him. I wanted him destroyed by the Truth about himself and his policies. Not sabotage.
     
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    Mac is not a leftist. He is one of the precious few posters here who IS liberal. The goose stepping leftists here call him names like "RWNJ" and other childish names.

    As far as I'm concerned, Trump WAS pointing out the obvious. The press WAS a wholly owned subsidiary of the DNC in the last election. I think what Mac was pointing out is that the bellicose way he went about challenging them only increased their determination.
     
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    Agree, but my point stands.

    Letting your enemy attack you constantly without fighting back, is a sure fire way to lose.

    NOw at least, instead of a one sided gauntlet that republicans just try to endure, it is at least a fight.


    Probably too little too late, but hey....
     
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    I agree that there is a need to illuminate the role of the press in manufacturing opinion rather than reporting objectively, but challenging this press as directly as he did only resulted in further entrenchment.
     
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    Exactly what do you imagine would do that, without provoking a similar response?
     
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    It's not just the fact that he's attacking them, which is a questionable strategy, it's the intensity and the sheer volume.

    Calling them the enemy of the people? I never know when the guy is serious, but that's not a small attack.
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    High intensity and high volume is the only possible way to be heard though the filter.

    What do you think he should do? Calm rational debate? We've been doing that for generations, while our enemies have been drowning the nation in propaganda.

    And we have lost, perhaps irretrievably.
     
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