CDZ Trump and dissent

Anything under violence, I reckon, and that won't be needed.

The press is doing their work for them, it's on a mission, and it will only get more intense now.

Trump perpetrated the one sin with the press that is worse than being a Republican: He not only questioned their professionalism and "objectivity", he attacked it. That's the one thing that overrides politics with them. The press has always been convinced that it is the one thing that is above politics, all evidence to the contrary.

Trump and his fans weren't aware of that rule, and it's too late now.
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Not sure what you mean. We were well aware of the fact that the lefty media and lefties in general felt entitled to dominance and control and would be vicious little fucks if/when challenged.


This is merely a matter of degree to their normal behavior.
If he anticipated this, that's fine - but if they play a role in bringing him down, he will have brought much of it on himself.

The insults, the name-calling, the "the media is the enemy of the people" thing - that may have thrilled his base, but it took their response up at LEAST a notch.

So enjoy the attacks, just understand that he has made them even worse.

Allowing your enemy to attack you without any response or attempt at fighting back, is a sure fire way to lose.

That you want to blame the victim(s) of an attack, for fighting back, is your liberalism warping your perceptions.

This should be noted, though, by all those lefties who insist that you are not a real liberal.:beer:
It's not just the fact that he's attacking them, which is a questionable strategy, it's the intensity and the sheer volume.

Calling them the enemy of the people? I never know when the guy is serious, but that's not a small attack.
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High intensity and high volume is the only possible way to be heard though the filter.

What do you think he should do? Calm rational debate? We've been doing that for generations, while our enemies have been drowning the nation in propaganda.

And we have lost, perhaps irretrievably.
Well, I don't know what he should do, because I think he shouldn't be there. Worse, there is no one or no strategy that I think would be effective that the base would allow, so it's pretty much a moot point. The base wanted a bull in a china shop and that's what it got.
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Agree, but my point stands.

Letting your enemy attack you constantly without fighting back, is a sure fire way to lose.

NOw at least, instead of a one sided gauntlet that republicans just try to endure, it is at least a fight.


Probably too little too late, but hey....


I agree that there is a need to illuminate the role of the press in manufacturing opinion rather than reporting objectively, but challenging this press as directly as he did only resulted in further entrenchment.

Exactly what do you imagine would do that, without provoking a similar response?

He and his press secretary can identify journalists and bloggers who aren't attack dog deviants, and reasonably objective and not fashion victims, an invite those to the press conferences and leave the likes of CNN and the Democratic Party and Republican establishment water carriers out of the loop; this would give a huge boost in visibility for some of the responsible reporters and wonks out there.

The real problem with the MSM is they stand to lose billions in revenue from political campaigns if they can't deliver votes and consensus to the establishments of either Party, individual 'journalists' don't get the 'exclusive clubiness' and 'private puff piece opportunities and all the rest. Campaign spending is a huge cash cow for them.
 
Anything under violence, I reckon, and that won't be needed.

The press is doing their work for them, it's on a mission, and it will only get more intense now.

Trump perpetrated the one sin with the press that is worse than being a Republican: He not only questioned their professionalism and "objectivity", he attacked it. That's the one thing that overrides politics with them. The press has always been convinced that it is the one thing that is above politics, all evidence to the contrary.

Trump and his fans weren't aware of that rule, and it's too late now.
.


Not sure what you mean. We were well aware of the fact that the lefty media and lefties in general felt entitled to dominance and control and would be vicious little fucks if/when challenged.


This is merely a matter of degree to their normal behavior.
If he anticipated this, that's fine - but if they play a role in bringing him down, he will have brought much of it on himself.

The insults, the name-calling, the "the media is the enemy of the people" thing - that may have thrilled his base, but it took their response up at LEAST a notch.

So enjoy the attacks, just understand that he has made them even worse.

Allowing your enemy to attack you without any response or attempt at fighting back, is a sure fire way to lose.

That you want to blame the victim(s) of an attack, for fighting back, is your liberalism warping your perceptions.

This should be noted, though, by all those lefties who insist that you are not a real liberal.:beer:
It's not just the fact that he's attacking them, which is a questionable strategy, it's the intensity and the sheer volume.

Calling them the enemy of the people? I never know when the guy is serious, but that's not a small attack.
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They brought it on themselves, and he happens to be right about them, and most people on all sides of the political spectrum know it. They were never ever going to be objective about him or his Presidency, and he owes them less than nothing. He has no incentive to pander to them.
 
Anything under violence, I reckon, and that won't be needed.

The press is doing their work for them, it's on a mission, and it will only get more intense now.

Trump perpetrated the one sin with the press that is worse than being a Republican: He not only questioned their professionalism and "objectivity", he attacked it. That's the one thing that overrides politics with them. The press has always been convinced that it is the one thing that is above politics, all evidence to the contrary.

Trump and his fans weren't aware of that rule, and it's too late now.
.


Not sure what you mean. We were well aware of the fact that the lefty media and lefties in general felt entitled to dominance and control and would be vicious little fucks if/when challenged.


This is merely a matter of degree to their normal behavior.
If he anticipated this, that's fine - but if they play a role in bringing him down, he will have brought much of it on himself.

The insults, the name-calling, the "the media is the enemy of the people" thing - that may have thrilled his base, but it took their response up at LEAST a notch.

So enjoy the attacks, just understand that he has made them even worse.

Allowing your enemy to attack you without any response or attempt at fighting back, is a sure fire way to lose.

That you want to blame the victim(s) of an attack, for fighting back, is your liberalism warping your perceptions.

This should be noted, though, by all those lefties who insist that you are not a real liberal.:beer:
It's not just the fact that he's attacking them, which is a questionable strategy, it's the intensity and the sheer volume.

Calling them the enemy of the people? I never know when the guy is serious, but that's not a small attack.
.


High intensity and high volume is the only possible way to be heard though the filter.

What do you think he should do? Calm rational debate? We've been doing that for generations, while our enemies have been drowning the nation in propaganda.

And we have lost, perhaps irretrievably.

Yes. It seems contradictory, but the country needs a radical in your face Moderates Jihad. Both left and right wings have had a field day for decades ripping up the center, only to find neither can do a thing without them.
 
What about the leakers who gave stuff to wikileaks ? Manning was one, cant remember the names of any others.

What should happen to them ?
 
A question for Trump supporters really but I am happy for non supporters to chime in.

What level of dissent is acceptable and what form should it take ?

This to include press,government agencies and the wider public.


Anything non violent is fine. And violence would be fine if he declares martial law.....till then, the left needs to chill out.
 
What about the leakers who gave stuff to wikileaks ? Manning was one, cant remember the names of any others.

What should happen to them ?


Leakers go to jail, they broke the law and more than likely violated their oaths of office.
 
What about the leakers who gave stuff to wikileaks ? Manning was one, cant remember the names of any others.

What should happen to them ?


Leakers go to jail, they broke the law and more than likely violated their oaths of office.
But if the leak was actually doing the public a service then it must be justified and the leaker must be protected.
Its a matter of public interest.
 
Not sure what you mean. We were well aware of the fact that the lefty media and lefties in general felt entitled to dominance and control and would be vicious little fucks if/when challenged.


This is merely a matter of degree to their normal behavior.
If he anticipated this, that's fine - but if they play a role in bringing him down, he will have brought much of it on himself.

The insults, the name-calling, the "the media is the enemy of the people" thing - that may have thrilled his base, but it took their response up at LEAST a notch.

So enjoy the attacks, just understand that he has made them even worse.

Allowing your enemy to attack you without any response or attempt at fighting back, is a sure fire way to lose.

That you want to blame the victim(s) of an attack, for fighting back, is your liberalism warping your perceptions.

This should be noted, though, by all those lefties who insist that you are not a real liberal.:beer:
It's not just the fact that he's attacking them, which is a questionable strategy, it's the intensity and the sheer volume.

Calling them the enemy of the people? I never know when the guy is serious, but that's not a small attack.
.


High intensity and high volume is the only possible way to be heard though the filter.

What do you think he should do? Calm rational debate? We've been doing that for generations, while our enemies have been drowning the nation in propaganda.

And we have lost, perhaps irretrievably.

Yes. It seems contradictory, but the country needs a radical in your face Moderates Jihad. Both left and right wings have had a field day for decades ripping up the center, only to find neither can do a thing without them.


How have republicans "ripped" up the center?
 
If he anticipated this, that's fine - but if they play a role in bringing him down, he will have brought much of it on himself.

The insults, the name-calling, the "the media is the enemy of the people" thing - that may have thrilled his base, but it took their response up at LEAST a notch.

So enjoy the attacks, just understand that he has made them even worse.

Allowing your enemy to attack you without any response or attempt at fighting back, is a sure fire way to lose.

That you want to blame the victim(s) of an attack, for fighting back, is your liberalism warping your perceptions.

This should be noted, though, by all those lefties who insist that you are not a real liberal.:beer:
It's not just the fact that he's attacking them, which is a questionable strategy, it's the intensity and the sheer volume.

Calling them the enemy of the people? I never know when the guy is serious, but that's not a small attack.
.


High intensity and high volume is the only possible way to be heard though the filter.

What do you think he should do? Calm rational debate? We've been doing that for generations, while our enemies have been drowning the nation in propaganda.

And we have lost, perhaps irretrievably.

Yes. It seems contradictory, but the country needs a radical in your face Moderates Jihad. Both left and right wings have had a field day for decades ripping up the center, only to find neither can do a thing without them.


How have republicans "ripped" up the center?

they support a lot of 'libertarian' lunacy, support off-shore money-laundering, encourage criminal illegal immigration, and unlimited political corruption via 'campaign donations', among other things. The right wing is just as much a destructive force as the 'progressives' are, and in fact work in hand in hand with them on many issues; they're part of the establishment's war on the country as much as anybody is.
 
What about the leakers who gave stuff to wikileaks ? Manning was one, cant remember the names of any others.

What should happen to them ?


Leakers go to jail, they broke the law and more than likely violated their oaths of office.
But if the leak was actually doing the public a service then it must be justified and the leaker must be protected.
Its a matter of public interest.


We have procedures for leaking about bad actions with the government....they need to follow those procedures......anyone just deciding on their own could cause a lot of damage to innocent people.
 
What about the leakers who gave stuff to wikileaks ? Manning was one, cant remember the names of any others.

What should happen to them ?


Leakers go to jail, they broke the law and more than likely violated their oaths of office.
But if the leak was actually doing the public a service then it must be justified and the leaker must be protected.
Its a matter of public interest.


No.....you can't just have people leaking information .......the threat of prison filters out those who may be doing it solely because they have an axe to grind, or don't have all the information......if someone thinks it is really important...they will let that be their defense......otherwise they need to use proper channels...
 

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