Town Bans Home Bible Study

[Gunny]

Pallin will go down there and straighten this out.

You have anything intelligent to say in this thread?

 

[Valerie]

ROFLMNAO...

I've been meaning to ask you...What is the meaning of the N ?


Roll On the Floor Laughing My N____ Ass Off ?

i believe pubes posts au naturel.

I thought it might stand for naughty!

 

[Gunny]

I await with interest the reaction of those who think this is no big deal when local towns and cities start banning birthday parties, Christmas get togethers, poker nights, etc.

More importantly, when they ban the left's right to assemble violent demonstrations with frothing at the mouth lunatic fringe fanatics foaming at the mouth and blocking traffic ...

 

[Gunny]

You appear, then, to be suggesting that a local Zoning Ordinance is somehow immune to the prohibitions spelled out in the First and Fourteenth Amendment.

The question is not whether a valid zoning ordinance can apply equally to secular and non-secular "businesses."

The question is whether the Ordinance in question violates the First Amendment rights of the people to peaceably assemble, to freedom of speech and to freedom of religion.

Like zoning that prohibits strip clubs close to churches?
Those people cannot peacably assemble because of the church proximity.

Still nothing, huh?

 

[manifold]

The Oasis of Truth church is just a tax dodge scam.

And like most tax dodge scams, they meet weekly to read and discuss passages from the Bible.

 

[strollingbones]

Church Fights Back After Arizona Town Bans Home Bible Study

GILBERT, Ariz. — The national Alliance Defense Fund says a town code that bars religious assemblies in private homes in the Arizona community of Gilbert is unconstitutional.

The Oasis of Truth church began meeting at Pastor Joe Sutherland's house in November and rotated homes several times a week for Bible study and fellowship.

A Gilbert code compliance officer hit the church with a violation notice after seeing a sign near a road advertising a Sunday service. A zoning administrator told the church that Bible studies, church leadership meetings and fellowship activities are not permitted in private homes.

The Alliance Defense Fund's Doug Napier says no neighbors complained. The Scottsdale-based group has filed an appeal with the town of Gilbert, contending its code violates the U.S. Constitution.

Where's the NAACP when they're need?

This same thing happened in the San Diego area a few years ago. They used parking ordinances to screw over those who assembled.

were the parking ordinances pre existing...if so they simply enforced what was on the books...

 

[CrimsonWhite]

You appear, then, to be suggesting that a local Zoning Ordinance is somehow immune to the prohibitions spelled out in the First and Fourteenth Amendment.

The question is not whether a valid zoning ordinance can apply equally to secular and non-secular "businesses."

The question is whether the Ordinance in question violates the First Amendment rights of the people to peaceably assemble, to freedom of speech and to freedom of religion.

Like zoning that prohibits strip clubs close to churches?
Those people cannot peacably assemble because of the church proximity.

A strip club isn't a peaceful assembly. It is a business and therefore subject to zoning laws. A bible study in a private home is protected under the 1st and 4th amendment. Try again.

 

[manifold]

Pallin will go down there and straighten this out.

You have anything intelligent to say in this thread?

Thread???

Don't you mean messageboard?

 

[Gunny]

Church Fights Back After Arizona Town Bans Home Bible Study

Where's the NAACP when they're need?

This same thing happened in the San Diego area a few years ago. They used parking ordinances to screw over those who assembled.

were the parking ordinances pre existing...if so they simply enforced what was on the books...

Like they enforce ALL laws equally, right? They used zoning/parking ordinances to interfere with people's Constitutional Rights. People park so up and down the streets you can hardly get two cars abreast down them.

But THIS time it's different ...

 

[Gunny]

Pallin will go down there and straighten this out.

You have anything intelligent to say in this thread?

Thread???

Don't you mean messageboard?

 

[Gadawg73]

It doesn't make any difference if they are studying or plotting to evade their taxes, freedom to assemble is freedom to assemble.

Meeting in private homes may have been banned because of traffic/parking concerns, but it still is not going to stand up to a court challenge.

No, freedom of assembly is not always freedom to assemble.
You can not assemble 50,000 people for a soccer game anywhere you like. We are a nation of laws, rules and regulations of which assembly fits all 3 and more of those categories.
This is old Christian victim mentality propaganda as usual. White lies are a sin but the Christian victim witches do it at will.
The council is not using the code against this bunch and were re writing the law BEFORE all of this bull shit came out. They didn't know of this bunch WHEN the law was written and it was massive parking up and down a quiet neighborhood that had one neighbor, unaware it was a church, that complained.
Biased ideology leads otherwise competent adults to become damn fools once again.

 

[Ravi]

Church Fights Back After Arizona Town Bans Home Bible Study

GILBERT, Ariz. — The national Alliance Defense Fund says a town code that bars religious assemblies in private homes in the Arizona community of Gilbert is unconstitutional.

The Oasis of Truth church began meeting at Pastor Joe Sutherland's house in November and rotated homes several times a week for Bible study and fellowship.

A Gilbert code compliance officer hit the church with a violation notice after seeing a sign near a road advertising a Sunday service. A zoning administrator told the church that Bible studies, church leadership meetings and fellowship activities are not permitted in private homes.

The Alliance Defense Fund's Doug Napier says no neighbors complained. The Scottsdale-based group has filed an appeal with the town of Gilbert, contending its code violates the U.S. Constitution.

It would have been nice if you'd posted the update. But of course, that doesn't get the wingers in a lather, does it?

Gilbert looks to ease rules on meetings

 

[slackjawed]

It doesn't make any difference if they are studying or plotting to evade their taxes, freedom to assemble is freedom to assemble.

Meeting in private homes may have been banned because of traffic/parking concerns, but it still is not going to stand up to a court challenge.

No, freedom of assembly is not always freedom to assemble.
You can not assemble 50,000 people for a soccer game anywhere you like. We are a nation of laws, rules and regulations of which assembly fits all 3 and more of those categories.
This is old Christian victim mentality propaganda as usual. White lies are a sin but the Christian victim witches do it at will.
The council is not using the code against this bunch and were re writing the law BEFORE all of this bull shit came out. They didn't know of this bunch WHEN the law was written and it was massive parking up and down a quiet neighborhood that had one neighbor, unaware it was a church, that complained.
Biased ideology leads otherwise competent adults to become damn fools once again.

Maybe, except the Op and the article that it linked to said nobody complained, and that a council member saw a sign for a bible study, and that's how this started.

Not sure what happened in your neck of the woods, but that's what's being reported in Gilbert.

 

[Gunny]

It doesn't make any difference if they are studying or plotting to evade their taxes, freedom to assemble is freedom to assemble.

Meeting in private homes may have been banned because of traffic/parking concerns, but it still is not going to stand up to a court challenge.

No, freedom of assembly is not always freedom to assemble.
You can not assemble 50,000 people for a soccer game anywhere you like. We are a nation of laws, rules and regulations of which assembly fits all 3 and more of those categories.
This is old Christian victim mentality propaganda as usual. White lies are a sin but the Christian victim witches do it at will.
The council is not using the code against this bunch and were re writing the law BEFORE all of this bull shit came out. They didn't know of this bunch WHEN the law was written and it was massive parking up and down a quiet neighborhood that had one neighbor, unaware it was a church, that complained.
Biased ideology leads otherwise competent adults to become damn fools once again.

Project much? Come back when you get an argument, huh?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

pallin will go down there and straighten this out.

you have anything intelligent to say in this thread?

thread???

Don't you mean messageboard?

my her0

 

[xotoxi]

ROFLMNAO...

I've been meaning to ask you...What is the meaning of the N ?


Roll On the Floor Laughing My N____ Ass Off ?

N is for Neocon

 

[Gadawg73]

It doesn't make any difference if they are studying or plotting to evade their taxes, freedom to assemble is freedom to assemble.

Meeting in private homes may have been banned because of traffic/parking concerns, but it still is not going to stand up to a court challenge.

No, freedom of assembly is not always freedom to assemble.
You can not assemble 50,000 people for a soccer game anywhere you like. We are a nation of laws, rules and regulations of which assembly fits all 3 and more of those categories.
This is old Christian victim mentality propaganda as usual. White lies are a sin but the Christian victim witches do it at will.
The council is not using the code against this bunch and were re writing the law BEFORE all of this bull shit came out. They didn't know of this bunch WHEN the law was written and it was massive parking up and down a quiet neighborhood that had one neighbor, unaware it was a church, that complained.
Biased ideology leads otherwise competent adults to become damn fools once again.

Project much? Come back when you get an argument, huh?

What about much ado about nothing do you not understand?
The story was exagerated from the word go. You might not have known it then but do now.
You are very welcome.
You can bite on it hook, line and sinker like the 35 lb red fish in my avatar but I wouldn't.
Ideology doesn't cloud my judgment.

 

[manifold]

Ideology doesn't cloud my judgment.

Right, it defines it.

 

[uscitizen]

Pallin will go down there and straighten this out.

You have anything intelligent to say in this thread?

Actually no, it is a pretty pathetic thread.
Just trying to stay on the level of the thread.

 

[Gadawg73]

Ideology doesn't cloud my judgment.

Right, it defines it.

And what ideology might that be?
Liberal, conservative or what old learned one?
Or do you just make random claims without any proof or evidence to back them up?