Top 4 Obamacare Complaints

[tinydancer]

Don't get me wrong. I knew ObamaCare would not cause health care costs to go down. It was obvious.

But let's not pretend they haven't been rising for decades.

The GOP decided inaction was the best course.

So you were fucked no matter what, folks. Don't be angry at just one of them. Be angry at both.

You are such a lying piece of shit. Not sure what to do about you yet.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Do tell.

What about the ACA is "marxist".

Include some proof as well..in the form of links.

Thanks in advance.

It is Marxist because it exists on the concept that the haves according to their means will provide for the have nots according to their needs.

That's a pretty unique take.

So basically what you are saying, if we can use this "definition" as a standard..

Is that every single form of government is "Marxist".

Well except Anarchy.

Because to a large extent, every government does this..through taxation.

However, Marxism, in it's classical form doesn't really need to do this because it doesn't need to engage in taxation.

Obamacare is just a part of the class struggle....notice how Obama in his speech today addressed the poor and needy....his proleteriat....

a socialist order is the goal....with communism ultimately replacing capitalism....Obama's goal is to take healthcare out of the free market and place it under Government control.....

 

[thereisnospoon]

Complaint #4: My employer is raising my premiums because of Obamacare

Before ObamaCare, what was the excuse of employers for raising your premiums year after year after year after year?

The cost of risk....
And that is a lie. Our insurance premiums never rose on a yearly basis. EVER.
That is not to say that in some occasions periodic increases never occur.
It depends on the language of the policy and the carrier.

 

[tinydancer]

Complaint #1: I can't log in

Complaint #2: My info's not right

Complaint #3: The costs are too high

Complaint #4: My employer is raising my premiums because of Obamacare

Top 4 Obamacare Complaints - Yahoo Finance

Many conservatives will complain in lock step fashion about Obamacare based on little more than rumor and in uendo. A good portion of these people aren't covered by any kind of healthcare or are paying exorbitant fees.

At some point, probably late at night, and probably cajoled by his wife who's the one who has to try to stretch the dollars every month, middle class conservatives are going to investigate the rates and plans for the first time on their own. My strong bet is that they're going to find a significant savings over what they're paying now, OR they'll find that they can afford health insurance for the first time in years or maybe the first time in their lives. That's when they'll face a decision as to whether to sign up or not. If they have at least as much sense as God gave a goat, they'll take advantage of something that will save them a lot of money (and maybe even their lives some day).

That's when they'll face another choice. Do they tell people, or do they keep it a secret that they signed up?

Are you fucking insane?

Don't you understand that this crew has been fired by a very liberal government in Ontario?

These idiots are out of Montreal?

 

[Foxfyre]

Do tell.

What about the ACA is "marxist".

Include some proof as well..in the form of links.

Thanks in advance.

It is Marxist because it exists on the concept that the haves according to their means will provide for the have nots according to their needs.

That's a pretty unique take.

So basically what you are saying, if we can use this "definition" as a standard..

Is that every single form of government is "Marxist".

Well except Anarchy.

Because to a large extent, every government does this..through taxation.

However, Marxism, in it's classical form doesn't really need to do this because it doesn't need to engage in taxation.

This is true because in Marxism, in its classical form, the government confiscates ALL private property of every kind and redistributes it to the people as it chooses. The whole basis of Marxism is based on the theory that if the wealth can be taken away from the wealthy, then all will be better off. Everybody will own everything.

In our system, taxation is just a polite, politically correct, term for confiscating wealth from those who have it.

It long ago lost its intended purpose which was an equitable and least oppressive way to fund the necessary functions of government as specified in the Constitution.

 

[Avatar4321]

Complaint #1: I can't log in

Complaint #2: My info's not right

Complaint #3: The costs are too high

Complaint #4: My employer is raising my premiums because of Obamacare

Top 4 Obamacare Complaints - Yahoo Finance

Complaint #5: Yurt is a chronic complainer...

Why don't you address the issue at hand? Is it because it is easier to dismiss it because the problems with the Obamacare mess fall outside the narrative?
The only people who benefit from this are those who will get it for next to nothing....off the backs of the taxpayers....Bullshit..
If you think this battle is over, you should think again.

Because she can't address the issue at hand. I've tried to engage her in countless issues and she cannot do it.

And no, the battle isn't over. Before to long the Dems will come back saying ACA didn't work, We need a single payer system AKA to outsource all responsibility for our health to the government.

After all, we all know this was designed to be a stepping stone and not the end product.

 

[ba1614]

Complaint #1: I can't log in

Complaint #2: My info's not right

Complaint #3: The costs are too high

Complaint #4: My employer is raising my premiums because of Obamacare

Top 4 Obamacare Complaints - Yahoo Finance

Many conservatives will complain in lock step fashion about Obamacare based on little more than rumor and in uendo. A good portion of these people aren't covered by any kind of healthcare or are paying exorbitant fees.

At some point, probably late at night, and probably cajoled by his wife who's the one who has to try to stretch the dollars every month, middle class conservatives are going to investigate the rates and plans for the first time on their own. My strong bet is that they're going to find a significant savings over what they're paying now, OR they'll find that they can afford health insurance for the first time in years or maybe the first time in their lives. That's when they'll face a decision as to whether to sign up or not. If they have at least as much sense as God gave a goat, they'll take advantage of something that will save them a lot of money (and maybe even their lives some day).

That's when they'll face another choice. Do they tell people, or do they keep it a secret that they signed up?

Are you fucking insane?

Don't you understand that this crew has been fired by a very liberal government in Ontario?

These idiots are out of Montreal?

Was it the e-health debacle in Ontario or another of that goofy governments screw ups?

 

[Avatar4321]

Complaint #1: I can't log in

Complaint #2: My info's not right

Complaint #3: The costs are too high

Complaint #4: My employer is raising my premiums because of Obamacare

Top 4 Obamacare Complaints - Yahoo Finance

Many conservatives will complain in lock step fashion about Obamacare based on little more than rumor and in uendo. A good portion of these people aren't covered by any kind of healthcare or are paying exorbitant fees.

At some point, probably late at night, and probably cajoled by his wife who's the one who has to try to stretch the dollars every month, middle class conservatives are going to investigate the rates and plans for the first time on their own. My strong bet is that they're going to find a significant savings over what they're paying now, OR they'll find that they can afford health insurance for the first time in years or maybe the first time in their lives. That's when they'll face a decision as to whether to sign up or not. If they have at least as much sense as God gave a goat, they'll take advantage of something that will save them a lot of money (and maybe even their lives some day).

That's when they'll face another choice. Do they tell people, or do they keep it a secret that they signed up?

Your strong bet?

So we look at the facts and evidence and we should completely ignore that because of your strong bet that there are going to be savings? If we could wish savings into existence, im sure most of us would.

 

[thereisnospoon]

One North Carolina reader was upset to learn her current $267 a month plan was being canceled and the cheapest option on the exchange would cost her family $750 a month. They don't qualify for a subsidy.

"Obamacare is a nightmare for my family," she wrote.

an example of how the middle class is being destroyed by Obama and his marxist redistribution program....

Do tell.

What about the ACA is "marxist".

Include some proof as well..in the form of links.

Thanks in advance.

From each according to his abilities( those who earn over 400% of poverty...pay the entire cost) to each according to his needs( those who would be subsidized to the point where they almost pay nothing).
You're welcome.
Have you enrolled in ACA? NO? Then you can shut it.

 

[Avatar4321]

It is Marxist because it exists on the concept that the haves according to their means will provide for the have nots according to their needs.

That's a pretty unique take.

So basically what you are saying, if we can use this "definition" as a standard..

Is that every single form of government is "Marxist".

Well except Anarchy.

Because to a large extent, every government does this..through taxation.

However, Marxism, in it's classical form doesn't really need to do this because it doesn't need to engage in taxation.

Obamacare is just a part of the class struggle....notice how Obama in his speech today addressed the poor and needy....his proleteriat....

a socialist order is the goal....with communism ultimately replacing capitalism....Obama's goal is to take healthcare out of the free market and place it under Government control.....

A class struggle between classes that don't exist.

 

[thereisnospoon]

So far the results of Obamacare for me and mine:

1. Our premiums have been increased by about 38%.

2. Our deductibles and copays have been roughy doubled.

3. Numerous things that were once covered no longer are. Absolutely nothing that wasn't covered before has been added.

4. Because so many clinics, hospitals, and doctors offices are being forced to lay off staff, there is less sanitation, waits for service are far longer, and there is increased consolidation that is not to the patient's advantage.

5. My hubbie's doctor that he dearly loves is taking early retirement because he can no longer stomach the mountain of increased red tape, restrictions, and stupid rules imposed by Obamacare. And this is happening more and more. Among the 10 different specialists that my elderly aunt and uncle are seeing for numerous medical problems, one--count him ONE--is American born.

6. And on top of the government website woes, there is this in the small print: privacy of personal and medical information cannot be guaranteed.

But this is the greatest thing to happen in America since sliced bread, yes?

I'm sure there were people who didn't like sliced bread too.

THAT is your response?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Don't get me wrong. I knew ObamaCare would not cause health care costs to go down. It was obvious.

But let's not pretend they haven't been rising for decades.

The GOP decided inaction was the best course.

So you were fucked no matter what, folks. Don't be angry at just one of them. Be angry at both.

They haven't.
Make an attempt to know what you're talking about.

.Year *NHE Increase

2001 1493

2002 1638 9.7%

2003 1775 8.3%

2004 1901 7.0%

2005 2030 6.7%

2006 2163 6.5%

2007 2298 6.2%

2008 2406 4.6%

2009 2501 3.9%

2010 2600 3.9%

2011 2700 3.8%

*National Health Expenditures, in $ billions.
http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statist...NationalHealthExpendData/Downloads/tables.pdf

 

[Foxfyre]

It is Marxist because it exists on the concept that the haves according to their means will provide for the have nots according to their needs.

That's a pretty unique take.

So basically what you are saying, if we can use this "definition" as a standard..

Is that every single form of government is "Marxist".

Well except Anarchy.

Because to a large extent, every government does this..through taxation.

However, Marxism, in it's classical form doesn't really need to do this because it doesn't need to engage in taxation.

Obamacare is just a part of the class struggle....notice how Obama in his speech today addressed the poor and needy....his proleteriat....

a socialist order is the goal....with communism ultimately replacing capitalism....Obama's goal is to take healthcare out of the free market and place it under Government control.....

Absolutely. The most galling insult to intelligence is his saying that Obamacare is to take care of the poor and needy. Bullshit. The poor and needy were already covered quite well with healthcare that most of the world can only envy. You are absolutely correct that the whole purpose of Obamacare is to put all of the people under the thumb of government. And the Obama worshippers are just cheering him on.

On my Decline of the American Empire thread, I held out hope that this generation still had some power to stop the loss of all our liberties to an ever more authoritarian, even totalitarian, government.

I may have just been engaged in a fool's errand, however.

 

[PoliticalChic]

One North Carolina reader was upset to learn her current $267 a month plan was being canceled and the cheapest option on the exchange would cost her family $750 a month. They don't qualify for a subsidy.

"Obamacare is a nightmare for my family," she wrote.

an example of how the middle class is being destroyed by Obama and his marxist redistribution program....

Do tell.

What about the ACA is "marxist".

Include some proof as well..in the form of links.

Thanks in advance.

1. Here's your big chance to prove that your teachers were liars, and you are actually capable of learning:


2. Obama wasn't the first Bolshevik to support socialized medicine. For context, there was Henry Sigerist:
"He devoted himself to the study of history of medicine. Socialized Medicine in the Soviet Union (1937), and History of Medicine were among his most important works. He emerged as a major spokesman for "compulsory health insurance". ...He attacked the American Medical Association because of his conflicting views on socialized medicine." Henry E. Sigerist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. And, Sigerist was one of the apologists for Stalin, including his state-engineered famine in the Ukraine. 7 million perished (The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century: Stalin's Forced Famine 1932-33).


b. Sigerist "shared with the architects of Soviet health policy under Stalin an outlook best described as medical totalitarianism. He really believed that humanity would be better off if every individual were under the medical supervision of the state from cradle to grave....[and] Sigerist's belief in the necessity for state control over all aspects of medicine ultimately made him an apologist for state control over most aspects of human life."
Fee and Brown, eds. "Making Medical History: The Life and Times of Henry E. Sigerist," p. 252

Does he sound just like a certain President??




"Include some proof as well..in the form of links."

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEQCUgOxShc]BaZing! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[PoliticalChic]

So far the results of Obamacare for me and mine:

1. Our premiums have been increased by about 38%.

2. Our deductibles and copays have been roughy doubled.

3. Numerous things that were once covered no longer are. Absolutely nothing that wasn't covered before has been added.

4. Because so many clinics, hospitals, and doctors offices are being forced to lay off staff, there is less sanitation, waits for service are far longer, and there is increased consolidation that is not to the patient's advantage.

5. My hubbie's doctor that he dearly loves is taking early retirement because he can no longer stomach the mountain of increased red tape, restrictions, and stupid rules imposed by Obamacare. And this is happening more and more. Among the 10 different specialists that my elderly aunt and uncle are seeing for numerous medical problems, one--count him ONE--is American born.

6. And on top of the government website woes, there is this in the small print: privacy of personal and medical information cannot be guaranteed.

But this is the greatest thing to happen in America since sliced bread, yes?

I'm sure there were people who didn't like sliced bread too.

What a stupid response.

Are you one of those 'reliable Democrat voters'?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Complaint #1: I can't log in

Complaint #2: My info's not right

Complaint #3: The costs are too high

Complaint #4: My employer is raising my premiums because of Obamacare

Top 4 Obamacare Complaints - Yahoo Finance

Too bad; 30 million benefit, and Yurt doesn't. Sad. But before we send aid to poor Yurt, let's do some investigation.

1. Does Yurt live in a State where the Governor just said no to Obamacare?

2, Does Yurt know how to make a telephone call?

3. What did Yurt lose, how much did he pay and what were his benefits?

4. Did Yurt push the tab "I'm having trouble logging in"

5. Methinks Yurt is full of the digested food matter of a large bull.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Complaint #4: My employer is raising my premiums because of Obamacare

Before ObamaCare, what was the excuse of employers for raising your premiums year after year after year after year?

haven't you noticed that almost EVERYTHING is going up.....? especially since the left loves spending and printing money out of thin air...

healthcare is no exception....increases include higher prices of supplies/equipment, higher wages, government regulations, anticipation of future costs, too much 'emergency' care, illegals, malpractice suits/insurance, cutting edge technology, and so forth...

Obamacare is the expensive fat cherry on top....no actually it's a whole new sundae that must be paid for by the same people who are paying for the first expensive one....

Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are going broke......and we suddenly can afford a new Entitlement Program......?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Complaint #1: I can't log in

Complaint #2: My info's not right

Complaint #3: The costs are too high

Complaint #4: My employer is raising my premiums because of Obamacare

Top 4 Obamacare Complaints - Yahoo Finance

Too bad; 30 million benefit, and Yurt doesn't. Sad. But before we send aid to poor Yurt, let's do some investigation.

1. Does Yurt live in a State where the Governor just said no to Obamacare?

2, Does Yurt know how to make a telephone call?

3. What did Yurt lose, how much did he pay and what were his benefits?

4. Methinks Yurt is full of the digested food matter of a large bull.

Oh, no....another 'reliable Democrat voter.'


And, the promise to insure all Americans? According to the CBO, in 2015 there will be 36 million uninsured nonelderly Americans. http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43472-07-24-2012-CoverageEstimates.pdf (table 3)

 

[thereisnospoon]

Complaint #4: My employer is raising my premiums because of Obamacare

Before ObamaCare, what was the excuse of employers for raising your premiums year after year after year after year?

At my former employer, during my 13 years, we changed health care providers 7 times. Each change saw a raising premium, bigger deductible and less services.

There was no ObamaCare back then..

That's not what the OP claimed...The OP stated the SAME insurer increased premiums in successive years.

 

[Foxfyre]

Posted by a shirttail relative this morning. It would be funnier if there weren't so many kernals of truth included in it:

I wanted to let you know that earlier today I received my "Obamacare enrollment packet” from the White House.

It contained:
· An aspirin and a band-aid.
· An 'Obama Hope & Change' bumper sticker
· A 'Bush's Fault' yard sign
· A 'Blame Republicans first, then anybody and everybody' poster
· A 'Tax the Rich' banner
· An application for unemployment and a free cell phone
· An application for food stamps
· A prayer rug
· A letter assigning my debt to my grandchildren
· And lastly, a coupon for a machine that blows smoke up my ass.
Everything was made in "China" and all directions were in Spanish.

Keep an eye out. Yours should be arriving soon.