Toledo Democratic Headquarters Robbed

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the dirty tricks continue on both sides, people this is not how we're supposed to have an election

http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=9393&fcategory_desc=Under Reported

Thieves shattered a side window overnight at Lucas County Democratic headquarters in Toledo, stealing computers with sensitive campaign information and triggering concern of the local party's ability to deliver crucial votes on Nov. 2. Among the data on the stolen computer of the party's office manager were: e-mails discussing campaign strategy, candidates' schedules, financial information, and phone numbers of party members, candidates, donors, and volunteers.
Also taken were computers belonging to Lucas County Commissioner Tina Skeldon Wozniak and to a Texas attorney working with the Kerry/Edwards presidential campaign to ensure election security.

The thefts have prompted the Kerry/Edwards campaign and Democrats in Washington to offer help and have left local officials fretting about the crime's impact on the upcoming election, in which Ohio plays a high-profile role.

"This puts us behind the eight ball," party spokesman Jerry Chabler said. "This can affect our entire get-out-the-vote operation."

Ohio's Democratic Party pledged to deploy volunteers, lend computers, or "provide whatever source of assistance they need," said spokesman Dan Trevas.

The political importance of Lucas County cannot be overstated, Mr. Trevas said.

"It's a major Democratic county in a swing area, surrounded by Republican and moderates," Mr. Trevas said. "A lot of votes come out of northwest Ohio."

Both President Bush and Sen. John Kerry have campaigned throughout the region repeatedly. With a saturation of television ads by both parties in the local market, it has become one of the most contested regions in the country.

Barbara Koonce, the office manager, said information on her computer had not been backed up since August. "I try to do it at least once a month, but we've been so extremely busy here, it's not the first thing on our minds," she said.

Beyond the missing data, the break-in also might have lasting "collateral damage" because 25 to 50 volunteers come to the headquarters to make phone calls, send out campaign information, and "do the necessary grunt work," in any campaign, Mr. Chabler said.

Toledo police took fingerprints at the scene with the hopes, in part, that they may be identified or matched to unidentified prints at other crime scenes.

Neither Chief Mike Navarre nor other investigators would elaborate on the details of the case, although lead investigator Jim Dec confirmed, "We collected valuable physical evidence."

At Democratic headquarters, officials stopped short of publicly blaming partisan politics, but at the same time, they all but ruled out run-of-the-mill criminals.

Two other computers, holding less sensitive information, were untouched, as were a petty cash box that usually holds $80 to $100, televisions, portable radios, and other electronics. Moreover, other offices inside the building, 1817 Madison Ave., were not entered. Files, papers, and pamphlets remained in neat piles, and campaign signs leaned, apparently undisturbed, against a wall.

"They knew what they wanted," Mr. Chabler said, calling the incident a 'third-rate burglary,' " a not-so-subtle reference to the break-in at National Democratic Committee offices in 1972 that began the Watergate scandal that eventually led to the President Nixon's resignation.

Meanwhile, activities at Democratic headquarters, usually in a frenzy just three weeks before the election, were temporarily stalled yesterday. Volunteers had left the building about 11 p.m. Monday, believing they had set the alarm, officials said.

But another worker may have unintentionally interrupted a beam from a motion sensor, preventing the alarm's activation, Mr. Chabler said. The crime was discovered about 7 a.m.

Guardian Alarm manager Kris Zielinski said she could not discuss a customer's account, but she confirmed that such a situation could occur. Still, the alarm's user would be alerted to the trouble by a light or some other indicator, she said.

With the election three weeks away, other headquarters around the country have been the targets of suspected political shenanigans, although there was no immediate link made between those cases and the Toledo break-in.

"It's wrong," said Chris Vance, chairman of the Republican Party in Washington State, where intruders have stolen or attempted to steal computers from at least two campaign offices recently. "It's not how Americans conduct their elections."

The sentiment was echoed by local Republican chairman Bernadette Noe, who noted that two Republican billboards were defaced by vandals overnight. "It'd be so disillusioning to think our [political] process could stoop to such lows," she said.

Sandy Isenberg hugged workers as she walked into the building about 9 a.m. She said that workers had to rebuild the databases in May after Ms. Isenberg took over the party chairmanship from Paula Ross. The move followed a bitter public dispute that had divided much of the party.

"When we took over the leadership of the party, we had to reconstruct everything," Ms. Isenberg said. "We'll do it again."

The party is offering a $2,500 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of those responsible. If the information is provided before the election, the reward is $5,000.

Contact Robin Erb at: [email protected] or 419-724-6133.

Original Link: http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041013/NEWS03/410130378
 
Shame on both sides for undertaking this hooliganism. Our political process was created to prevent such things.

These incidents have a striking similarity to two frightening historical precedents. Italy in the 1920s and Germany in the 1930s. The Democratic process in both those countries was corrupted by Mussolini's Black Shirts and Hitler's Brown Shirts, both of which were nothing more than street thugs who used violence to intimidate their political opposition. As a result, two of the most evil people in history were allowed to come to power and the world was forced to take the road to the most destructive war in human history.

I hope to God that this isn't a hint of things to come.
 
I'm more inclined to believe it was robbed by other democrats...Frankly, if we are counting, the Republican's still 'owe' the dem's about 20-100 more of these, just to break 'even'.
 
Wouldnt surprise me if it was republicans who do this. Weve only had about atleast 10 of our places vandalized already and republicans are human and can only take so much of it.

And i think its deffinately a sign of times to come. We are going to see war soon. And i dont mean in the middle east.
 
Actually, it was some crack addicts who read that the DNC was passing out crack for votes.

Remember how they were passing out smokes for votes during the Gore campaign? They've "upgraded."
 
Flying Duck said:
Actually, it was some crack addicts who read that the DNC was passing out crack for votes.

Remember how they were passing out smokes for votes during the Gore campaign? They've "upgraded."



Well, they've already employed the use of sexual favors for votes. LOL! Sign this pledge and you get to sleep with a pretty college co-ed. Only the Democrats!

"Uh, gee - I must have had my fingers crossed."
 
-=d=- said:
I'm more inclined to believe it was robbed by other democrats...Frankly, if we are counting, the Republican's still 'owe' the dem's about 20-100 more of these, just to break 'even'.

This is a very big set back for those people. Democrats robbed it. HA. It has potential to affect a lot of votes. This isn't about tit-for-tat. Vandalism and theft are horrible on BOTH sides. If you think voter coersion on either side is acceptable, you're dead wrong.
 
The Republican Party has challenged 35,000 voter registrations in one state alone. The challenge was based on voter’s non-resident status of a given precinct. The board of elections said ‘We have never had anything like this happen’
We are only begging to see the future of things to come,
check out the news story in this link for some insight of just how low the future of politics will get. www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3895966
In my opinion the GOP stoop the lowest, they are the first to ever steal an election. The pacifist liberals are to timid to try something like that.
 
i refuse to believe america is headed towards war. we have faced much worse than this. we need to start demanding better leadership and more responsible leadership. we also need to push out the fringes of our society (far left, far right) who do the most damage to our political process and start holding people responsible for undermining and damaging it.
 
White knight said:
We are only begging to see the future of things to come,
check out the news story in this link for some insight of just how low the future of politics will get. www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3895966
In my opinion the GOP stoop the lowest, they are the first to ever steal an election. The pacifist liberals are to timid to try something like that.

WTF?! How the heck is it stooping to a new low to request that 35,000 illegally registered "voters" not be counted? Im sorry if you dislike the fact that we disenfranchise dead people and people who dont live in said voting districts, but to say its low is ridiculous! Name one election the GOP has stolen. If you think the liberals are too timid to try something then you have to be living outside reality. I mean they already tried to steal the 2000 election. And they did so in front of the American people.

:bang3: :bang3: :bang3:
 
Avatar4321 said:
WTF?! How the heck is it stooping to a new low to request that 35,000 illegally registered "voters" not be counted? Im sorry if you dislike the fact that we disenfranchise dead people and people who dont live in said voting districts, but to say its low is ridiculous! Name one election the GOP has stolen. If you think the liberals are too timid to try something then you have to be living outside reality. I mean they already tried to steal the 2000 election. And they did so in front of the American people.

:bang3: :bang3: :bang3:


Democrats raised the dead to vote for Kennedy in Illinois at the same time as illegally keeping open the polls so that those dead people could vote. The amazing thing was Nixon was able to see it would tear the nation apart to sue, that it would create a divide that would be difficult to overcome. Too bad Gore didn't have the same foresight, and dignified response as Nixon.
 
no1tovote4 said:
Democrats raised the dead to vote for Kennedy in Illinois at the same time as illegally keeping open the polls so that those dead people could vote. The amazing thing was Nixon was able to see it would tear the nation apart to sue, that it would create a divide that would be difficult to overcome. Too bad Gore didn't have the same foresight, and dignified response as Nixon.

that's the thing that gets me about nixon. he did so much good, so much bad. where to put him in history? i'd say he was a visionary but tragic figure who fell because of his insecurities.
 
NATO AIR said:
that's the thing that gets me about nixon. he did so much good, so much bad. where to put him in history? i'd say he was a visionary but tragic figure who fell because of his insecurities.

I think he was a basically good man, just made some dumb mistakes and then got caught for doing alot of the same things his two immediate predecessors did. It just goes to show you one real big mistake can destroy a lifetime of good.
 
Avatar4321 said:
I think he was a basically good man, just made some dumb mistakes and then got caught for doing alot of the same things his two immediate predecessors did. It just goes to show you one real big mistake can destroy a lifetime of good.

quite a good point there with a hell of a moral at the end.
 
Avatar4321 said:
WTF?! How the heck is it stooping to a new low to request that 35,000 illegally registered "voters" not be counted?
The person at the board of elections said
"I have never seen anything like this before'
That would imply a new level of desperation.

The new low I was referring to, is the new leading edge political tactics being pioneered by Karl Rove, he has raised the bar in political strategy. In order for the opposition to follow they must also use the similar tactics. Appealing to emotions, and the subconscious, getting this part of the brain to override the rationalization reasoning parts of the brain.
 

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