Today...Smashing The Lie That Nazis Were Rightwing.

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The Nazi party was not as socialist as you might think. And Hitler was definitely not a socialist. Hitler's right-wing ideology was evident from the moment he put on a German uniform to fight in WW1. Right wingers constantly remind us how
those who serve exemplify the highest order of right wing patriotism. Well, folks, Hitler served. And though detractors have downplayed any heroics attributed to him, he was close enough to the fighting to be hospitalized after a gas attack.

So the obvious question arises: how did a decorated right-wing military Patriot become involved with the. SUPPOSED National Socialist Party? Hint: for those who read his seminal treatise, Mein Kampf, the answer is clear.
Therein, Hitler bares his soul and decries the evils of Communism and Jews. Karl Marx would not have recognized Mein Kampf as an adjunct to his philosophy. Nay, after reading it,
he would have regarded Hitler as an enemy.

So, Hitler, the veteran patriot , brimming with jingoistic ideology and dangerous notions of racial superiority searched for an avenue to power. His choices?

The political quandry in Germany after WW1

"For the first time in German history political parties had real power. They could determine policy and had patronage available for supporters. However, the large number of political parties made coalitions necessary and made it difficult to obtain and maintain legislative majorities. At times there were more than thirty political parties on the ballot although only about six commanded substantial voting blocs. Making life even more difficult for the Republic were extremist parties on both sides of the political spectrum who were opposed to the existence of the Republic itself. The most important of these radical anti-Republican parties were the communists on the left and the National Socialists (Nazis) on the right. "

Yes, according to Professor Paul Bookbinder, University of Massachusetts Boston, the Nazis were a right wing extremist party despite the socialist implications of the name. I concur based on the empirical evidence gleaned from the historians who recorded the RW extremist views of the Nazis... The scion of intolerance. Is all to frequently parented by RW populism and racism.

Of the three choices open to Hitler, the right wing Nazis were more closely aligned with the principles outlined in Mein Kampf. Hatred for the Jews was already pervasive among Christian Germans and there was nothing akin to Marxism about that.

Mein Kampf sold well and.through it, Hitler had tapped into the jingoistic fervor
whereas Jews and Conmunists represented all that was wrong with Germany. Hitler was able to enshrine himself as the top cause celebre of the right wing populists movement. Whereas, he easily seduced the overlords of the NAZI party,
already inebriated by the spiked kool-aid of Mein Kampf.

Hitler said in many quotes that he was a Socialist, and anti-Capitalist, as well as also anti-Communist.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Socialists and nazis are incestuous soulmates... really two sides of the same coin.

a. Hitler and Stalin were allies up until June 21, 1941, Stalin provided the resources for the Blitzkrieg of Hitler, and both attacked Poland, one from each side.

September 1, 1939, Hitler attacked Poland....on September 17, Stalin attacks from the East. The Soviet radio transmitter in Minsk guided the Nazi bombers attacking Polish cities.

Newsreel footage showed the Red Army in Nazi helmets, marching side by side with the SS. One photo shows the hammer and sickle along side the swastika.



Two Leftist programs, allies.

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The Nazi - Soviet alliance is a curious one, and a huge blunder on both sides, especially the Soviet side.

Even though a couple of years before WW2, Nazis had tried to get Poland to join the anti-Comintern Pact against the Soviet Union, and immediate before WW2 Soviets had tried to get Poland to allow an invasion of Nazi Germany through Polish soil.... Both which Poland rejected.

Ultimately in the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact Nazis, and Soviets worked together to divide Central - East Europe.

Beyond that the Soviets even supplied Nazis much of their war materials in the German - Soviet Credit Agreement, and German - Soviet Commercial Agreement.

But, an increasingly number of Poles have in recent decades have become anti-Democracy.
A growing number of Poles think that the Nazis, and Soviets chose might is right, a sort of military first approach over Democracy.

Max Kolonko a Polish commentator out of New York, specifically says while Poles chose Democracy Capitalism in the 1930's, Germans, and Soviets grew stronger by supporting Militaristic dictatorships.[/

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

War / Military funding is stimulus funding, no?

It certainly can be, depending on the intended stimulee (Bell Helicopter, Blackwater, General Electric, Halliburton, Raytheon et al). LBJ thought so. Bush and The Dick Cheney really thought so. Eisenhower and Dulles really thought so too, at least before Ike quipped "don't do what we just did" on his way out the door.

That's not to say however that any stimulus funding is military. Clearly both FDR (1933) and O'bama (2009) launched stimuli that were domestically focused.

Amazing that many Americans think it's more acceptable to have stimulus funding War crush other nations, than to have stimulus funding Public works build up our nation.

I think that stomach turned first with the racist torture atrocities in the Philippines, and then China, and then further with the unheard of chemical warfare and civilian bombing of what was then called the "Great War", oblivious to its setup for a second Great War necessitating Roman numerals to distinguish one from the next.

Besides, Sweden, or Ireland, and some other nations in Europe seem to be doing pretty good economically without War, or much military funding.

Indeed they do, agreed.
And it's an enormous economic burden -- we spend more on war toys than the next several nations (including China) combined.

The point is many Conservatives think that military spending is "Good stimulus for the economy"
but that public works is "Bad stimulus for the economy"

I don't think it really works that way, in proper doses stimulus spending is a very good thing for the economy.

 

[JQPublic1]

The Nazi party was not as socialist as you might think. And Hitler was definitely not a socialist. Hitler's right-wing ideology was evident from the moment he put on a German uniform to fight in WW1. Right wingers constantly remind us how
those who serve exemplify the highest order of right wing patriotism. Well, folks, Hitler served. And though detractors have downplayed any heroics attributed to him, he was close enough to the fighting to be hospitalized after a gas attack.

So the obvious question arises: how did a decorated right-wing military Patriot become involved with the. SUPPOSED National Socialist Party? Hint: for those who read his seminal treatise, Mein Kampf, the answer is clear.
Therein, Hitler bares his soul and decries the evils of Communism and Jews. Karl Marx would not have recognized Mein Kampf as an adjunct to his philosophy. Nay, after reading it,
he would have regarded Hitler as an enemy.

So, Hitler, the veteran patriot , brimming with jingoistic ideology and dangerous notions of racial superiority searched for an avenue to power. His choices?

The political quandry in Germany after WW1

"For the first time in German history political parties had real power. They could determine policy and had patronage available for supporters. However, the large number of political parties made coalitions necessary and made it difficult to obtain and maintain legislative majorities. At times there were more than thirty political parties on the ballot although only about six commanded substantial voting blocs. Making life even more difficult for the Republic were extremist parties on both sides of the political spectrum who were opposed to the existence of the Republic itself. The most important of these radical anti-Republican parties were the communists on the left and the National Socialists (Nazis) on the right. "

Yes, according to Professor Paul Bookbinder, University of Massachusetts Boston, the Nazis were a right wing extremist party despite the socialist implications of the name. I concur based on the empirical evidence gleaned from the historians who recorded the RW extremist views of the Nazis... The scion of intolerance. Is all to frequently parented by RW populism and racism.

Of the three choices open to Hitler, the right wing Nazis were more closely aligned with the principles outlined in Mein Kampf. Hatred for the Jews was already pervasive among Christian Germans and there was nothing akin to Marxism about that.

Mein Kampf sold well and.through it, Hitler had tapped into the jingoistic fervor
whereas Jews and Conmunists represented all that was wrong with Germany. Hitler was able to enshrine himself as the top cause celebre of the right wing populists movement. Whereas, he easily seduced the overlords of the NAZI party,
already inebriated by the spiked kool-aid of Mein Kampf.

Hitler said in many quotes that he was a Socialist, and anti-Capitalist, as well as also anti-Communist.

Just post one or two links to such quotes and I might be interested enough to investigate.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The Nazi party was not as socialist as you might think. And Hitler was definitely not a socialist. Hitler's right-wing ideology was evident from the moment he put on a German uniform to fight in WW1. Right wingers constantly remind us how
those who serve exemplify the highest order of right wing patriotism. Well, folks, Hitler served. And though detractors have downplayed any heroics attributed to him, he was close enough to the fighting to be hospitalized after a gas attack.

So the obvious question arises: how did a decorated right-wing military Patriot become involved with the. SUPPOSED National Socialist Party? Hint: for those who read his seminal treatise, Mein Kampf, the answer is clear.
Therein, Hitler bares his soul and decries the evils of Communism and Jews. Karl Marx would not have recognized Mein Kampf as an adjunct to his philosophy. Nay, after reading it,
he would have regarded Hitler as an enemy.

So, Hitler, the veteran patriot , brimming with jingoistic ideology and dangerous notions of racial superiority searched for an avenue to power. His choices?

The political quandry in Germany after WW1

"For the first time in German history political parties had real power. They could determine policy and had patronage available for supporters. However, the large number of political parties made coalitions necessary and made it difficult to obtain and maintain legislative majorities. At times there were more than thirty political parties on the ballot although only about six commanded substantial voting blocs. Making life even more difficult for the Republic were extremist parties on both sides of the political spectrum who were opposed to the existence of the Republic itself. The most important of these radical anti-Republican parties were the communists on the left and the National Socialists (Nazis) on the right. "

Yes, according to Professor Paul Bookbinder, University of Massachusetts Boston, the Nazis were a right wing extremist party despite the socialist implications of the name. I concur based on the empirical evidence gleaned from the historians who recorded the RW extremist views of the Nazis... The scion of intolerance. Is all to frequently parented by RW populism and racism.

Of the three choices open to Hitler, the right wing Nazis were more closely aligned with the principles outlined in Mein Kampf. Hatred for the Jews was already pervasive among Christian Germans and there was nothing akin to Marxism about that.

Mein Kampf sold well and.through it, Hitler had tapped into the jingoistic fervor
whereas Jews and Conmunists represented all that was wrong with Germany. Hitler was able to enshrine himself as the top cause celebre of the right wing populists movement. Whereas, he easily seduced the overlords of the NAZI party,
already inebriated by the spiked kool-aid of Mein Kampf.

Hitler said in many quotes that he was a Socialist, and anti-Capitalist, as well as also anti-Communist.

Just post one or two links to such quotes and I might be interested enough to investigate.

7 Quotes That Prove Adolf Hitler Was A Proud Socialist

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Nazi party was not as socialist as you might think. And Hitler was definitely not a socialist. Hitler's right-wing ideology was evident from the moment he put on a German uniform to fight in WW1. Right wingers constantly remind us how
those who serve exemplify the highest order of right wing patriotism. Well, folks, Hitler served. And though detractors have downplayed any heroics attributed to him, he was close enough to the fighting to be hospitalized after a gas attack.

So the obvious question arises: how did a decorated right-wing military Patriot become involved with the. SUPPOSED National Socialist Party? Hint: for those who read his seminal treatise, Mein Kampf, the answer is clear.
Therein, Hitler bares his soul and decries the evils of Communism and Jews. Karl Marx would not have recognized Mein Kampf as an adjunct to his philosophy. Nay, after reading it,
he would have regarded Hitler as an enemy.

So, Hitler, the veteran patriot , brimming with jingoistic ideology and dangerous notions of racial superiority searched for an avenue to power. His choices?

The political quandry in Germany after WW1

"For the first time in German history political parties had real power. They could determine policy and had patronage available for supporters. However, the large number of political parties made coalitions necessary and made it difficult to obtain and maintain legislative majorities. At times there were more than thirty political parties on the ballot although only about six commanded substantial voting blocs. Making life even more difficult for the Republic were extremist parties on both sides of the political spectrum who were opposed to the existence of the Republic itself. The most important of these radical anti-Republican parties were the communists on the left and the National Socialists (Nazis) on the right. "

Yes, according to Professor Paul Bookbinder, University of Massachusetts Boston, the Nazis were a right wing extremist party despite the socialist implications of the name. I concur based on the empirical evidence gleaned from the historians who recorded the RW extremist views of the Nazis... The scion of intolerance. Is all to frequently parented by RW populism and racism.

Of the three choices open to Hitler, the right wing Nazis were more closely aligned with the principles outlined in Mein Kampf. Hatred for the Jews was already pervasive among Christian Germans and there was nothing akin to Marxism about that.

Mein Kampf sold well and.through it, Hitler had tapped into the jingoistic fervor
whereas Jews and Conmunists represented all that was wrong with Germany. Hitler was able to enshrine himself as the top cause celebre of the right wing populists movement. Whereas, he easily seduced the overlords of the NAZI party,
already inebriated by the spiked kool-aid of Mein Kampf.

You couldn't be more wrong.
You could try to be, but you wouldn't succeed.

Now....let's focus on the socialist programs of Adolph Hitler.


1. "After he was released in 1924, Hitler used the rest of the 1920’s to consolidate the Nazis and turn them into a nationwide movement. The SA (known colloquially as Brownshirts) were reorganized into an effective force of street activists, Hitler established his own national daily newspaper, the Völkischer Beobachter, and continued to build his following and spread his message of nationalism mixed with progressive social policies. The Nazi banner is a superb symbol of Hitler’s ideology – the red banner of socialism with the Aryan nationalist symbol of the swastika in the middle."
Adolf Hitler – Progressive Pioneer


2. Hitler's Socialist programs:

a) Highly Subsidized International vacation trips.

b) Between 1933-1938 Strength through Joy (KDF) movement Organized 134,000 theater and concert events for 32 million people. 2 million people went on cruises and weekend trips and 11 million went on theater trips.

c) Nazis ensured that every citizen had a Radio.

d) 5 day week.

e) Free Public Health.

f) Trade Unions were banned. All workers had to join German labor Front. Strikes for higher wages were banned. People who refused to work were imprisoned. With fall in Inflation, purchasing power increased and wages actually fell.

g) Large factories had to provide rest areas, cafeterias, dressing rooms, even playing fields and swimming pools

h) They also banned "lock outs" for industries. No "reverse strikes"for them either.
LIES YOUR TEACHER TAUGHT YOU: Nazi Hitler Economic Social and Political Policies



Nazis and Communists, Socialists and Fascists, Liberals and Progressives.....all six are Leftwing......


Sooooo.... never let anyone tell you that hoary old tale...'Communism, Leftwing, ......Nazis, Rightwing.

Both, as clearly proven in this thread, are Leftwing.




One more nail in your coffin?


3. "The Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt (NSV), meaning "National Socialist People's Welfare", was a social welfare organization during the Third Reich. The NSV was established in 1933,.... The NSV became established as the single Nazi Party welfare organ in May 1933.[1] .... the programme was massively expanded, so that the régime deemed it worthy to be called the "greatest social institution in the world." One method of expansion was to absorb, or in NSDAP parlance coordinate, already existing but non-Nazi charity organizations. NSV was the second largest Nazi group organization by 1939, second only to the German Labor Front.


The National Socialists provided a plethora of social welfare programs under the Nazi concept of Volksgemeinschaft which promoted the collectivity of a “people’s community” where citizens would sacrifice themselves for the greater good. The NSV operated “8,000 day-nurseries” by 1939, and funded holiday homes for mothers, distributed additional food for large families, and was involved with a “wide variety of other facilities.”[4]


The Nazi social welfare provisions included old age insurance, rent supplements, unemployment and disability benefits, old-age homes, interest-free loans for married couples, along with healthcare insurance, which was not decreed mandatory until 1941[5]One of the NSV branches, the Office of Institutional and Special Welfare, was responsible “for travellers’ aid at railway stations; relief for ex-convicts; ‘support’ for re-migrants from abroad; assistance for the physically disabled, hard-of-hearing, deaf, mute, and blind; relief for the elderly, homeless and alcoholics; and the fight against illicit drugs and epidemics.”


These social welfare programs represented a Hitlerian endeavor to lift the community above the individual while promoting the wellbeing of all bona fide citizens. As Hitler told a reporter in 1934, he was determined to give Germans “the highest possible standard of living.” National Socialist People's Welfare - Wikipedia



And you say???

 

[PoliticalChic]

What's your profession, besides being a brutish anti-Racist fail-troll?

You don't seem to work, or do much of anything.... Because all day you're here.

Which seems to be the same as here, you don't debate, or bring anything up worthwhile..

Polish Nazi is curious.

I'm not a Nazi, as I mentioned before to you specifically I'm anti-German, and therefor can't be a Nazi.

You don't get anything do you?

You've claimed to be a Fascist...which makes you only slightly different than any of these other totalitarians:
Communists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives or Socialists.


And worthy of exactly the same disgust.

Fascism is necessary for a socially Conservative environment, and to secure nationhood.

The Capitalist individualist says that it's the individual freedom of Capitalists to hire illegal immigrants for cheap labor, to support Feminism for cheap labor, that outsourcing jobs is individual freedom, and that it's also the individual freedom for Hollywood, academia, and media Jews to push Liberalism into the mainstream.

You, and your Republican ilk have no real solutions, your solution is to do nothing, which allows Liberalism to fester.

Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on, so it really has no need to be "pushed" or "fester".

​

But please do essplain --- how does one "support Feminism for cheap labor"?

"Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on,..."

Sooooo....you're a liar as well as a moron?
Who knew?


1. This is the liberalism that the nation and the Constitution was founded on:
Individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

2. This is the Liberalism/Socialism that your fake liberalism is based on:
The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Polish Nazi is curious.

I'm not a Nazi, as I mentioned before to you specifically I'm anti-German, and therefor can't be a Nazi.

You don't get anything do you?

You've claimed to be a Fascist...which makes you only slightly different than any of these other totalitarians:
Communists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives or Socialists.


And worthy of exactly the same disgust.

Fascism is necessary for a socially Conservative environment, and to secure nationhood.

The Capitalist individualist says that it's the individual freedom of Capitalists to hire illegal immigrants for cheap labor, to support Feminism for cheap labor, that outsourcing jobs is individual freedom, and that it's also the individual freedom for Hollywood, academia, and media Jews to push Liberalism into the mainstream.

You, and your Republican ilk have no real solutions, your solution is to do nothing, which allows Liberalism to fester.

Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on, so it really has no need to be "pushed" or "fester".

​

But please do essplain --- how does one "support Feminism for cheap labor"?

"Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on,..."

Sooooo....you're a liar as well as a moron?
Who knew?


1. This is the liberalism that the nation and the Constitution was founded on:
Individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

2. This is the Liberalism/Socialism that your fake liberalism is based on:
The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

The Founding Fathers apparently had a healthcare act, and Corporate regulations.

Marine Hospital Service - Wikipedia

The Service was created by the act of the 5th United States Congress, which was signed into law on 16 July 1798 by President John Adams. The Act required the Department of the Treasury to "provide for the relief and maintenance of disabled seamen." This Act led to the formation of several loosely controlled hospitals at sea and river ports all across the United States, which was officially the Marine-Hospital Fund. The Act specified the revenue for the Hospital Fund to come from the merchant seamen. The Congressional Act of 1798 was signed into law by President John Adams. It created a tax of 20 cents each month to be withheld from seamen’s wages for support of marine hospitals. The money was paid to the U.S. Collector of Customs. The Act was expanded in 1799 to include all "officers, seamen and marines of the navy of the United States".

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:

• Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
• Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
• Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
• Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
• Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
• Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.

 

[danielpalos]

Polish Nazi is curious.

I'm not a Nazi, as I mentioned before to you specifically I'm anti-German, and therefor can't be a Nazi.

You don't get anything do you?

You've claimed to be a Fascist...which makes you only slightly different than any of these other totalitarians:
Communists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives or Socialists.


And worthy of exactly the same disgust.

Fascism is necessary for a socially Conservative environment, and to secure nationhood.

The Capitalist individualist says that it's the individual freedom of Capitalists to hire illegal immigrants for cheap labor, to support Feminism for cheap labor, that outsourcing jobs is individual freedom, and that it's also the individual freedom for Hollywood, academia, and media Jews to push Liberalism into the mainstream.

You, and your Republican ilk have no real solutions, your solution is to do nothing, which allows Liberalism to fester.

Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on, so it really has no need to be "pushed" or "fester".

​

But please do essplain --- how does one "support Feminism for cheap labor"?

"Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on,..."

Sooooo....you're a liar as well as a moron?
Who knew?


1. This is the liberalism that the nation and the Constitution was founded on:
Individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

2. This is the Liberalism/Socialism that your fake liberalism is based on:
The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

That is national socialism not liberal socialism. Liberal socialism is to the left of national socialism.

 

[danielpalos]

I'm not a Nazi, as I mentioned before to you specifically I'm anti-German, and therefor can't be a Nazi.

You don't get anything do you?

You've claimed to be a Fascist...which makes you only slightly different than any of these other totalitarians:
Communists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives or Socialists.


And worthy of exactly the same disgust.

Fascism is necessary for a socially Conservative environment, and to secure nationhood.

The Capitalist individualist says that it's the individual freedom of Capitalists to hire illegal immigrants for cheap labor, to support Feminism for cheap labor, that outsourcing jobs is individual freedom, and that it's also the individual freedom for Hollywood, academia, and media Jews to push Liberalism into the mainstream.

You, and your Republican ilk have no real solutions, your solution is to do nothing, which allows Liberalism to fester.

Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on, so it really has no need to be "pushed" or "fester".

​

But please do essplain --- how does one "support Feminism for cheap labor"?

"Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on,..."

Sooooo....you're a liar as well as a moron?
Who knew?


1. This is the liberalism that the nation and the Constitution was founded on:
Individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

2. This is the Liberalism/Socialism that your fake liberalism is based on:
The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

The Founding Fathers apparently had a healthcare act, and Corporate regulations.

Marine Hospital Service - Wikipedia

The Service was created by the act of the 5th United States Congress, which was signed into law on 16 July 1798 by President John Adams. The Act required the Department of the Treasury to "provide for the relief and maintenance of disabled seamen." This Act led to the formation of several loosely controlled hospitals at sea and river ports all across the United States, which was officially the Marine-Hospital Fund. The Act specified the revenue for the Hospital Fund to come from the merchant seamen. The Congressional Act of 1798 was signed into law by President John Adams. It created a tax of 20 cents each month to be withheld from seamen’s wages for support of marine hospitals. The money was paid to the U.S. Collector of Customs. The Act was expanded in 1799 to include all "officers, seamen and marines of the navy of the United States".

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:

• Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
• Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
• Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
• Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
• Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
• Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.

What about a health care charter, regulated by Congress?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Capitalism is a necessary condition for liberty and political freedom. This is the explanation for Liberalism's antipathy to capitalism.


The essential service and voluntary acceptance aspects of capitalism reflect our Judeo-Christian foundations, far more than the dictatorial basis of socialism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I call Samuel Clemens as my next witness.


There is a poignant quote from Mark Twain that reflects the essence of the title of this thread:

"For England must not fall: it would mean an inundation of Russian & German political degradations which would envelop the globe & steep it in a sort of Middle-Age night & slaverly which would last till Christ comes again--which I hope he will not do; he made trouble enough before."
- Letter to W. D. Howells, January 25, 1900
Mark Twain


Russian and German political degradations which would envelop the globe and steep it in a sort of Middle-Age night and slaverly....


Of course, Twain understood the Germanic origins of both communism and Nazism....and, therefore, Progressivism.
England represents the origins of our Founders' thinking, and, in fact, of the law as practiced in this nation.


In Europe, it is the Civil Law tradition. The Inquisition, Renaissance, the Napoleonic Code, and the Holocaust are all, in part, an outgrowth of the lex regia: “The will of the prince has the force of law.”( Quod principi placuit, legis haget vigorem)

Today, European law gives preeminence to legislatures, the institution that drafted the statute prevails.

In Anglo-American Common Law tradition, the institution that interprets and adjudicates the statute has the final word. Due to the absence of a jury, and the deference to whomever writes the laws, Civil Law tradition is friendlier to tyrannical regimes than the Common Law tradition.

 

[danielpalos]

A federal charter would mean federal regulation in that market.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm not a Nazi, as I mentioned before to you specifically I'm anti-German, and therefor can't be a Nazi.

You don't get anything do you?

You've claimed to be a Fascist...which makes you only slightly different than any of these other totalitarians:
Communists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives or Socialists.


And worthy of exactly the same disgust.

Fascism is necessary for a socially Conservative environment, and to secure nationhood.

The Capitalist individualist says that it's the individual freedom of Capitalists to hire illegal immigrants for cheap labor, to support Feminism for cheap labor, that outsourcing jobs is individual freedom, and that it's also the individual freedom for Hollywood, academia, and media Jews to push Liberalism into the mainstream.

You, and your Republican ilk have no real solutions, your solution is to do nothing, which allows Liberalism to fester.

Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on, so it really has no need to be "pushed" or "fester".

​

But please do essplain --- how does one "support Feminism for cheap labor"?

"Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on,..."

Sooooo....you're a liar as well as a moron?
Who knew?


1. This is the liberalism that the nation and the Constitution was founded on:
Individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

2. This is the Liberalism/Socialism that your fake liberalism is based on:
The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

The Founding Fathers apparently had a healthcare act, and Corporate regulations.

Marine Hospital Service - Wikipedia

The Service was created by the act of the 5th United States Congress, which was signed into law on 16 July 1798 by President John Adams. The Act required the Department of the Treasury to "provide for the relief and maintenance of disabled seamen." This Act led to the formation of several loosely controlled hospitals at sea and river ports all across the United States, which was officially the Marine-Hospital Fund. The Act specified the revenue for the Hospital Fund to come from the merchant seamen. The Congressional Act of 1798 was signed into law by President John Adams. It created a tax of 20 cents each month to be withheld from seamen’s wages for support of marine hospitals. The money was paid to the U.S. Collector of Customs. The Act was expanded in 1799 to include all "officers, seamen and marines of the navy of the United States".

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:

• Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
• Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
• Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
• Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
• Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
• Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.

History.....that suggests what....that the Founders were socialists?

Absurd.


Surprised that you didn't mention this yesterday....the anniversary (1674)
....John Sobieski is elected by the szlachta to be the King of Poland. Popular among his subjects, he was also a brilliant military commander, most famous for the victory over the Turks in the 1683 Battle of Vienna. (9/12).

For his victories over the Ottoman Empire, he was dubbed by the Turks the "Lion of Lechistan."

 

[regent]

You've claimed to be a Fascist...which makes you only slightly different than any of these other totalitarians:
Communists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives or Socialists.


And worthy of exactly the same disgust.

Fascism is necessary for a socially Conservative environment, and to secure nationhood.

The Capitalist individualist says that it's the individual freedom of Capitalists to hire illegal immigrants for cheap labor, to support Feminism for cheap labor, that outsourcing jobs is individual freedom, and that it's also the individual freedom for Hollywood, academia, and media Jews to push Liberalism into the mainstream.

You, and your Republican ilk have no real solutions, your solution is to do nothing, which allows Liberalism to fester.

Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on, so it really has no need to be "pushed" or "fester".

​

But please do essplain --- how does one "support Feminism for cheap labor"?

"Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on,..."

Sooooo....you're a liar as well as a moron?
Who knew?


1. This is the liberalism that the nation and the Constitution was founded on:
Individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

2. This is the Liberalism/Socialism that your fake liberalism is based on:
The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

The Founding Fathers apparently had a healthcare act, and Corporate regulations.

Marine Hospital Service - Wikipedia

The Service was created by the act of the 5th United States Congress, which was signed into law on 16 July 1798 by President John Adams. The Act required the Department of the Treasury to "provide for the relief and maintenance of disabled seamen." This Act led to the formation of several loosely controlled hospitals at sea and river ports all across the United States, which was officially the Marine-Hospital Fund. The Act specified the revenue for the Hospital Fund to come from the merchant seamen. The Congressional Act of 1798 was signed into law by President John Adams. It created a tax of 20 cents each month to be withheld from seamen’s wages for support of marine hospitals. The money was paid to the U.S. Collector of Customs. The Act was expanded in 1799 to include all "officers, seamen and marines of the navy of the United States".

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:

• Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
• Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
• Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
• Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
• Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
• Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.

History.....that suggests what....that the Founders were socialists?

Absurd.


Surprised that you didn't mention this yesterday....the anniversary (1674)
....John Sobieski is elected by the szlachta to be the King of Poland. Popular among his subjects, he was also a brilliant military commander, most famous for the victory over the Turks in the 1683 Battle of Vienna. (9/12).

For his victories over the Ottoman Empire, he was dubbed by the Turks the "Lion of Lechistan."

The Founders introduced some socialism into their new America, and the Framers left the door open for more.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Fascism is necessary for a socially Conservative environment, and to secure nationhood.

The Capitalist individualist says that it's the individual freedom of Capitalists to hire illegal immigrants for cheap labor, to support Feminism for cheap labor, that outsourcing jobs is individual freedom, and that it's also the individual freedom for Hollywood, academia, and media Jews to push Liberalism into the mainstream.

You, and your Republican ilk have no real solutions, your solution is to do nothing, which allows Liberalism to fester.

Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on, so it really has no need to be "pushed" or "fester".

​

But please do essplain --- how does one "support Feminism for cheap labor"?

"Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on,..."

Sooooo....you're a liar as well as a moron?
Who knew?


1. This is the liberalism that the nation and the Constitution was founded on:
Individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

2. This is the Liberalism/Socialism that your fake liberalism is based on:
The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

The Founding Fathers apparently had a healthcare act, and Corporate regulations.

Marine Hospital Service - Wikipedia

The Service was created by the act of the 5th United States Congress, which was signed into law on 16 July 1798 by President John Adams. The Act required the Department of the Treasury to "provide for the relief and maintenance of disabled seamen." This Act led to the formation of several loosely controlled hospitals at sea and river ports all across the United States, which was officially the Marine-Hospital Fund. The Act specified the revenue for the Hospital Fund to come from the merchant seamen. The Congressional Act of 1798 was signed into law by President John Adams. It created a tax of 20 cents each month to be withheld from seamen’s wages for support of marine hospitals. The money was paid to the U.S. Collector of Customs. The Act was expanded in 1799 to include all "officers, seamen and marines of the navy of the United States".

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:

• Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
• Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
• Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
• Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
• Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
• Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.

History.....that suggests what....that the Founders were socialists?

Absurd.


Surprised that you didn't mention this yesterday....the anniversary (1674)
....John Sobieski is elected by the szlachta to be the King of Poland. Popular among his subjects, he was also a brilliant military commander, most famous for the victory over the Turks in the 1683 Battle of Vienna. (9/12).

For his victories over the Ottoman Empire, he was dubbed by the Turks the "Lion of Lechistan."

The Founders introduced some socialism into their new America, and the Framers left the door open for more.

This is your attempted explanation for becoming a socialist????

Dummmmmmmmmbbbbbbb.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Fascism is necessary for a socially Conservative environment, and to secure nationhood.

The Capitalist individualist says that it's the individual freedom of Capitalists to hire illegal immigrants for cheap labor, to support Feminism for cheap labor, that outsourcing jobs is individual freedom, and that it's also the individual freedom for Hollywood, academia, and media Jews to push Liberalism into the mainstream.

You, and your Republican ilk have no real solutions, your solution is to do nothing, which allows Liberalism to fester.

Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on, so it really has no need to be "pushed" or "fester".

​

But please do essplain --- how does one "support Feminism for cheap labor"?

"Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on,..."

Sooooo....you're a liar as well as a moron?
Who knew?


1. This is the liberalism that the nation and the Constitution was founded on:
Individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

2. This is the Liberalism/Socialism that your fake liberalism is based on:
The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

The Founding Fathers apparently had a healthcare act, and Corporate regulations.

Marine Hospital Service - Wikipedia

The Service was created by the act of the 5th United States Congress, which was signed into law on 16 July 1798 by President John Adams. The Act required the Department of the Treasury to "provide for the relief and maintenance of disabled seamen." This Act led to the formation of several loosely controlled hospitals at sea and river ports all across the United States, which was officially the Marine-Hospital Fund. The Act specified the revenue for the Hospital Fund to come from the merchant seamen. The Congressional Act of 1798 was signed into law by President John Adams. It created a tax of 20 cents each month to be withheld from seamen’s wages for support of marine hospitals. The money was paid to the U.S. Collector of Customs. The Act was expanded in 1799 to include all "officers, seamen and marines of the navy of the United States".

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:

• Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
• Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
• Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
• Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
• Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
• Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.

History.....that suggests what....that the Founders were socialists?

Absurd.


Surprised that you didn't mention this yesterday....the anniversary (1674)
....John Sobieski is elected by the szlachta to be the King of Poland. Popular among his subjects, he was also a brilliant military commander, most famous for the victory over the Turks in the 1683 Battle of Vienna. (9/12).

For his victories over the Ottoman Empire, he was dubbed by the Turks the "Lion of Lechistan."

The Founders introduced some socialism into their new America, and the Framers left the door open for more.

I lost you when you said a limited Federal government with clearly enumerated powers was "Socialist"

Please explain

 

[regent]

Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on, so it really has no need to be "pushed" or "fester".

​

But please do essplain --- how does one "support Feminism for cheap labor"?

"Liberalism is what this country and its Constitution is built on,..."

Sooooo....you're a liar as well as a moron?
Who knew?


1. This is the liberalism that the nation and the Constitution was founded on:
Individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

2. This is the Liberalism/Socialism that your fake liberalism is based on:
The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

The Founding Fathers apparently had a healthcare act, and Corporate regulations.

Marine Hospital Service - Wikipedia

The Service was created by the act of the 5th United States Congress, which was signed into law on 16 July 1798 by President John Adams. The Act required the Department of the Treasury to "provide for the relief and maintenance of disabled seamen." This Act led to the formation of several loosely controlled hospitals at sea and river ports all across the United States, which was officially the Marine-Hospital Fund. The Act specified the revenue for the Hospital Fund to come from the merchant seamen. The Congressional Act of 1798 was signed into law by President John Adams. It created a tax of 20 cents each month to be withheld from seamen’s wages for support of marine hospitals. The money was paid to the U.S. Collector of Customs. The Act was expanded in 1799 to include all "officers, seamen and marines of the navy of the United States".

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:

• Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
• Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
• Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
• Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
• Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
• Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.

History.....that suggests what....that the Founders were socialists?

Absurd.


Surprised that you didn't mention this yesterday....the anniversary (1674)
....John Sobieski is elected by the szlachta to be the King of Poland. Popular among his subjects, he was also a brilliant military commander, most famous for the victory over the Turks in the 1683 Battle of Vienna. (9/12).

For his victories over the Ottoman Empire, he was dubbed by the Turks the "Lion of Lechistan."

The Founders introduced some socialism into their new America, and the Framers left the door open for more.

I lost you when you said a limited Federal government with clearly enumerated powers was "Socialist"

Please explain

 

[rightwinger]

Hitler was a Republican

Believe me

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hitler was a Republican

Believe me

You're not a Rightwinger

Believe me.