Three things about Islam

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    This seems to apply to current events.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w"]Three things about Islam[/ame]

    Please research as they suggest.
     
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    It certainly does, and it's an excellent video that blows away the smoke of Islamic propaganda. I think it deserves to be pinned here, but it'll probably get moved in 3 - 2 - 1...

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    there is already a thread on this in the religion forum
     
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    To be fair, that thread started here.
     
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    Actually, I started in the Politics forum, where I still say it belongs.
     
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    Welcome to the board.

    I viewed the vid, and find it to be truthful, -although I wasn't aware of the regulation of a later sura being more important to follow than an earlier one, - but I will assume that your OP is informational, and even cautionary...


    Being cognizant of the problems that can arise due to religionists who follow said imprecations (on non believers) , what are you suggesting that we- non-Muslims, - do?
     
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    And I think it ought to be pinned in both forums. Islam has declared WAR on the United States, and their mosques are their military and political headquarters. The fact that our ignorant, pandering, appeasing "leaders" won't acknowledge that fact doesn't alter the fact in the least.

    "In compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

    "The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies—civilians and military—is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it . . . We—with God's help—call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema [Muslim scholars], leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the Devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson." —World Islamic Front, signed by Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Shaykh Mir Hamzah, and Fazlul Rahman

    "All the Muslims are brothers of one another and constitute one hand as against the non-Muslims. The blood of every one of them is equal to that of others and even the smallest among them can make a promise on behalf of others." —Muhammad, 630 A.D.

    "The Believers are but a single brotherhood." —Quran 49:10

    "A Muslim has no nationality except his belief." —Syed Qutb

    "Mehrab [mosque] means the place of war, the place of fighting. Out of the mehrabs, wars should proceed. Just as all the wars of Islam proceeded out of the mehrabs. The prophet had sword to kill people. Our Holy Imams were quite militant. All of them were warriors. They used to wield swords. They used to kill people. We need a Caliph who would chop hands, cut throats, stone people. In the same way that the messenger of Allah used to chop hands, cut throats, and stone people." —Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini

    "When you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately." —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 4:52:79:Narrated Ibn 'Abbas

    Unless and until we win war that has been unilaterally declared on us, it has everything to do with politics and all related current events.

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    And, based on the above, what course of action do you suggest?

    How about we find an Imam who will issue a counter-fatwa, along the lines of ...

    "...and all Muslims are directed to live in peace with all non-Muslims, until such time that Allah himself directs non-Muslims etc., etc., ...."

    Is that satisfactory, with, of course, all police and correctional personnel seeing to it that Muslims obey this latest fatwa...

    or, do we have to kill all the Muslims?

    I have to know immediately, 'cause thems a lot of Muslims to kill...
     
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    Awwwwww. That's so sweeeeeet!

    The only teeny-weeny problem I see with your cute little idea, Princess, is that Allah already issued the orders:

    "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him." —Quran 3:85

    "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.'" —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 4:52:196 Narrated Abu Huraira

    "He who fights so that Allah's Word (Islam) should be superior, then he fights in Allah's cause." —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 1:3:125 Narrated Abu Musa

    "I asked the Prophet [Muhammad], 'What is the best deed?' He replied, 'To believe in Allah and to fight for His Cause.'" —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 3:46:694 Narrated Abu Dhar

    "And fight them till there is no more affliction (i.e. no more worshiping of others along with Allah)". —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 6:60:40 Narrated Nafi'

    "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers." —Quran 3.151

    "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." —Quran 8:12

    "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know." —Quran 8:60

    "O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them." —Quran 5:51

    "Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)" —Quran 9:5

    "Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam regardless of the country or the nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and program." —Syed Abul A'ala Maududi

    "All the Muslims are brothers of one another and constitute one hand as against the non-Muslims. The blood of every one of them is equal to that of others and even the smallest among them can make a promise on behalf of others." —Muhammad, 630 A.D.

    "The Believers are but a single brotherhood." —Quran 49:10

    "A Muslim has no nationality except his belief." —Syed Qutb

    "In compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

    "The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies—civilians and military—is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it . . . We—with God's help—call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema [Muslim scholars], leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the Devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson." —World Islamic Front, signed by Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Shaykh Mir Hamzah, and Fazlul Rahman

    "When you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately." —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 4:52:79:Narrated Ibn 'Abbas

    "Mehrab [mosque] means the place of war, the place of fighting. Out of the mehrabs, wars should proceed. Just as all the wars of Islam proceeded out of the mehrabs. The prophet had sword to kill people. Our Holy Imams were quite militant. All of them were warriors. They used to wield swords. They used to kill people. We need a Caliph who would chop hands, cut throats, stone people. In the same way that the messenger of Allah used to chop hands, cut throats, and stone people." —Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini

    Darn. I mean, other than that, you had a really, really, really cool idea. Now you can go shopping at the mall.

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    Well, you might as well join me at the mall, as you are not prepared to do any more than wring your hands and dole out a less-than-instructive tour down memory lane...

    I firmly believe that all of your quotes are accurate...but neither of us can be sure of the fruition of same.

    So, to reprise:

    "...or, do we have to kill all the Muslims?

    I have to know immediately, 'cause thems a lot of Muslims to kill... "


    Well, speak up. I'm sure your have a plan, don't you?
     

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