Thousands In Britain Left To Go Blind Due To Eye Surgery Rationing

[Crixus]

You'll end up paying more for inferior coverage with a single payer government system. Nothing is 'free' and whoever is telling you that you'll get free health care is either lying or knows no better.

No one said we were going to get it for "Free"...

But here's the thing. The US spends more per capita than any other nation in the world on health care. About 17% of our GDP compared to other countries which spend 8-11% of GDP.

with the ACA, we have the number of uninsured down to 9% compared to the pre-ACA levels of 15%.

We have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialize world and the shortest life expectancy. 62% of bankruptcies are related to medical crisis, and 75% of them had insurance when the crisis began.

Meanwhile, you have insurance executives who collect 8 and 9 figure salaries for managing this mess...

Hey stupid. Check this out,


Thousands more patients made to 'beg for treatment' as NHS rations hip operations


There has been a sharp rise in the number of patients blocked from accessing hip or knee operations by NHS rationing panels, despite their GP thinking surgery is necessary, an investigation has found.

Last year thousands of patients were forced to jump through hoops to access these procedures which surgical experts say are “clinically and cost effective”, according to the British Medical Journal(BMJ).


And you using infant mortality rate in any way makes you look retarded considering you have stated multiple times children are medical waste. You are cherry picking your facts again.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

Free stuff! Can’t wait until every doctor visit is like a meeting with the IRS!

Thousands of elderly people in Britain are left to go blind because of rationing of eye surgery in the National Health Service (NHS), a report revealed on Saturday (April 6).

The Times newspaper said a survey by the Royal College of Ophthalmologists (RCO) found tens of thousands of elderly people are left struggling to see because of an NHS cost-cutting drive that relies on them dying before they can qualify for cataract surgery.

The survey has found that the NHS has ignored instructions to end cataract treatment rationing in defiance of official guidance two years ago.

The RCO said its survey has found 62 per cent of eye units retain policies that require people’s vision to have deteriorated below a certain point before surgery is funded.

Thousands in Britain left to go blind due to eye surgery rationing: Report

Just what we need the government Officials get one type of Medical Insurnce we the people get squat.

 

[JoeB131]

And you using infant mortality rate in any way makes you look retarded considering you have stated multiple times children are medical waste. You are cherry picking your facts again.

Here's the thing... those socialized medicine countries have LESS abortions than we do.

Why? Because they give their women easy access to contraception, they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected pregnancy, they get paid family leave.

But the fun thing is, that if those fetuses are selected to live, they have a much greater chance of living in a socialized medicine country than this one.

 

[badger2]

Many wait too long, which can be dangerous, as in crossing the street, etc. The procedure for cataracts is marvelous and only takes a few minutes for each eye (ultrasound). Highly recommended. No one should be isolated from this procedure. If not mistaken, each eye cost is around five grand.

 

[Gornoodle]

I was speaking to my aunt, who just turned 93 last month. She's scheduled in a few months for a cornea transplant.

Would a socialized medical system provide this surgery for someone of advanced age?

I had cataract surgery in Michigan. They waited a few years until my eyes reached a bad enough level before they would do it. We just do not get it on request either.

 

[Polishprince]

I was speaking to my aunt, who just turned 93 last month. She's scheduled in a few months for a cornea transplant.

Would a socialized medical system provide this surgery for someone of advanced age?

I had cataract surgery in Michigan. They waited a few years until my eyes reached a bad enough level before they would do it. We just do not get it on request either.

You are talking about something different here.

No legitimate doctor will perform cataract surgery if it isn't called for. I'm talking about where it is medically called for, yet you have to go on a waiting list, and might not even get it if you are too old or otherwise a "useless eater".

You can't get a heart transplant if it isn't called for either, regardless of the system, even if you can afford to pay for it on your own

 

[Marion Morrison]

Good for you. Most people haven't had your kind of luck. Since there's only one government, and you can't refuse to be its "customer", I'll take a free market over state mandates any day.

No, we really do need government to not live in anarchy.

Again, I'd take a single payer system over wrestling with an insurance company any day of the week.

Yeah, but you're a commie faggot idiot, so no.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, but you're a commie faggot idiot, so no.

again, wait till the day you have to wrestle with an insurance company to get a procedure they've decided they don't want to pay for...

 

[dblack]

Yeah, but you're a commie faggot idiot, so no.

again, wait till the day you have to wrestle with an insurance company to get a procedure they've decided they don't want to pay for...

Wait til the insurance company is owned by the government and you have no other options.

 

[TNHarley]

Free stuff! Can’t wait until every doctor visit is like a meeting with the IRS!

Thousands of elderly people in Britain are left to go blind because of rationing of eye surgery in the National Health Service (NHS), a report revealed on Saturday (April 6).

The Times newspaper said a survey by the Royal College of Ophthalmologists (RCO) found tens of thousands of elderly people are left struggling to see because of an NHS cost-cutting drive that relies on them dying before they can qualify for cataract surgery.

The survey has found that the NHS has ignored instructions to end cataract treatment rationing in defiance of official guidance two years ago.

The RCO said its survey has found 62 per cent of eye units retain policies that require people’s vision to have deteriorated below a certain point before surgery is funded.

Thousands in Britain left to go blind due to eye surgery rationing: Report

We have rationing in this country, too. It's called "being too poor to get good insurance", or "Your insurance company declaring your cataract a pre-existing condition or elective".

So given you only have so much money to spend on Cataract Surgery do you give it to.

A poor young person who has a whole productive life ahead of him.

or and Old person who isn't working anymore, will probably die in a few years anyway.

Ruin it for all because thats fair. "Fuck old people"
No, fuck you bitch

 

[rightwinger]

The RCO said its survey has found 62 per cent of eye units retain policies that require people's vision to have deteriorated below a certain point before surgery is funded

Seems your cataract needs to progress to a certain point before surgery is approved. When I had a cataract, I avoided surgery until it got really bad. The actual surgery is painless and you are awake

 

[Cecilie1200]

I was speaking to my aunt, who just turned 93 last month. She's scheduled in a few months for a cornea transplant.

Would a socialized medical system provide this surgery for someone of advanced age?

I had cataract surgery in Michigan. They waited a few years until my eyes reached a bad enough level before they would do it. We just do not get it on request either.

No, but here the doctors are weighing the benefits of the surgery against the risks, not rationing the surgery because of the cost.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I was speaking to my aunt, who just turned 93 last month. She's scheduled in a few months for a cornea transplant.

Would a socialized medical system provide this surgery for someone of advanced age?

I had cataract surgery in Michigan. They waited a few years until my eyes reached a bad enough level before they would do it. We just do not get it on request either.

No, but here the doctors are weighing the benefits of the surgery against the risks, not rationing the surgery because of the cost.

The article states that the NHS does 400,000 of these procedures a year. That sounds like a lot. You do realise that you are still free to go private in the UK. You do not have to use the NHS..

 

[Cecilie1200]

I was speaking to my aunt, who just turned 93 last month. She's scheduled in a few months for a cornea transplant.

Would a socialized medical system provide this surgery for someone of advanced age?

I had cataract surgery in Michigan. They waited a few years until my eyes reached a bad enough level before they would do it. We just do not get it on request either.

No, but here the doctors are weighing the benefits of the surgery against the risks, not rationing the surgery because of the cost.

The article states that the NHS does 400,000 of these procedures a year. That sounds like a lot. You do realise that you are still free to go private in the UK. You do not have to use the NHS..

Why would you want to go private?! I thought the NHS was AMAZING, and the US was sub-standard because it doesn't immediately copy the NHS. Now you're telling me that even with the miraculous NHS, people in Britain STILL need to go private to get what they need?!

I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I was speaking to my aunt, who just turned 93 last month. She's scheduled in a few months for a cornea transplant.

Would a socialized medical system provide this surgery for someone of advanced age?

I had cataract surgery in Michigan. They waited a few years until my eyes reached a bad enough level before they would do it. We just do not get it on request either.

No, but here the doctors are weighing the benefits of the surgery against the risks, not rationing the surgery because of the cost.

The article states that the NHS does 400,000 of these procedures a year. That sounds like a lot. You do realise that you are still free to go private in the UK. You do not have to use the NHS..

Why would you want to go private?! I thought the NHS was AMAZING, and the US was sub-standard because it doesn't immediately copy the NHS. Now you're telling me that even with the miraculous NHS, people in Britain STILL need to go private to get what they need?!

I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

You are not compelled to do either. I had private treatment for a ligament injury several years ago at my employers insistence,
I was well looked after. But the surgeon who did the operation was the specialist from the local NHS who I had the initial consultation with. Private medicine in the UK is a parasite on the NHS.

 

[HenryBHough]

Good morning, weather! And are there any comparisons to the thousands left to go blind here in America due to lack of any healthcare insurance at all? I believe all insurers consider blindness non-life threatening though, and in that case the rationing is not so unusual. Not to mention that according to your post, the surgery IS provided when a specific level of deterioration is reached:

"The RCO said its survey has found 62 per cent of eye units retain policies that require people’s vision to have deteriorated below a certain point before surgery is funded."

I have a friend who has carotid artery blockage but his docs will not do the procedure until he reaches 65% blockage, so the Brit NHS ruling doesn't sound so outrageous to me.

Addressing only the arterial blockage question:

Having had several blockages cleared (most recently less than a month ago) I do understand about the "rationing" you describe. However there is some logic in it that may have escaped attention. It was explained to me several times that there is a point at which the benefit of intervention is outweighed by the risk. The percentage depends upon which artery or arteries has the problem. For some the crossover between risk and benefit if up closer to 80%. For carotids a common limit in most U.S. medical practices is somewhere around that 65% mark. At 50% only a surgeon who's in it for the money rather than benefit to the patient is likely to proceed. Limits are not always economics related.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I was speaking to my aunt, who just turned 93 last month. She's scheduled in a few months for a cornea transplant.

Would a socialized medical system provide this surgery for someone of advanced age?

I had cataract surgery in Michigan. They waited a few years until my eyes reached a bad enough level before they would do it. We just do not get it on request either.

No, but here the doctors are weighing the benefits of the surgery against the risks, not rationing the surgery because of the cost.

The article states that the NHS does 400,000 of these procedures a year. That sounds like a lot. You do realise that you are still free to go private in the UK. You do not have to use the NHS..

Why would you want to go private?! I thought the NHS was AMAZING, and the US was sub-standard because it doesn't immediately copy the NHS. Now you're telling me that even with the miraculous NHS, people in Britain STILL need to go private to get what they need?!

I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

You are not compelled to do either. I had private treatment for a ligament injury several years ago at my employers insistence,
I was well looked after. But the surgeon who did the operation was the specialist from the local NHS who I had the initial consultation with. Private medicine in the UK is a parasite on the NHS.

What a coincidence. Socialism is a parasite on the private sector in the US.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Good morning, weather! And are there any comparisons to the thousands left to go blind here in America due to lack of any healthcare insurance at all? I believe all insurers consider blindness non-life threatening though, and in that case the rationing is not so unusual. Not to mention that according to your post, the surgery IS provided when a specific level of deterioration is reached:

"The RCO said its survey has found 62 per cent of eye units retain policies that require people’s vision to have deteriorated below a certain point before surgery is funded."

I have a friend who has carotid artery blockage but his docs will not do the procedure until he reaches 65% blockage, so the Brit NHS ruling doesn't sound so outrageous to me.

Addressing only the arterial blockage question:

Having had several blockages cleared (most recently less than a month ago) I do understand about the "rationing" you describe. However there is some logic in it that may have escaped attention. It was explained to me several times that there is a point at which the benefit of intervention is outweighed by the risk. The percentage depends upon which artery or arteries has the problem. For some the crossover between risk and benefit if up closer to 80%. For carotids a common limit in most U.S. medical practices is somewhere around that 65% mark. At 50% only a surgeon who's in it for the money rather than benefit to the patient is likely to proceed. Limits are not always economics related.

There are a lot of factors that are, and should be, weighed in deciding whether or not to have a medical procedure. Whether or not a third party thinks your life is worth paying for shouldn't be one of them.

 

[rightwinger]

Good morning, weather! And are there any comparisons to the thousands left to go blind here in America due to lack of any healthcare insurance at all? I believe all insurers consider blindness non-life threatening though, and in that case the rationing is not so unusual. Not to mention that according to your post, the surgery IS provided when a specific level of deterioration is reached:

"The RCO said its survey has found 62 per cent of eye units retain policies that require people’s vision to have deteriorated below a certain point before surgery is funded."

I have a friend who has carotid artery blockage but his docs will not do the procedure until he reaches 65% blockage, so the Brit NHS ruling doesn't sound so outrageous to me.

Addressing only the arterial blockage question:

Having had several blockages cleared (most recently less than a month ago) I do understand about the "rationing" you describe. However there is some logic in it that may have escaped attention. It was explained to me several times that there is a point at which the benefit of intervention is outweighed by the risk. The percentage depends upon which artery or arteries has the problem. For some the crossover between risk and benefit if up closer to 80%. For carotids a common limit in most U.S. medical practices is somewhere around that 65% mark. At 50% only a surgeon who's in it for the money rather than benefit to the patient is likely to proceed. Limits are not always economics related.

There are a lot of factors that are, and should be, weighed in deciding whether or not to have a medical procedure. Whether or not a third party thinks your life is worth paying for shouldn't be one of them.

Do you look at an insurance company as a third party?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I had cataract surgery in Michigan. They waited a few years until my eyes reached a bad enough level before they would do it. We just do not get it on request either.

No, but here the doctors are weighing the benefits of the surgery against the risks, not rationing the surgery because of the cost.

The article states that the NHS does 400,000 of these procedures a year. That sounds like a lot. You do realise that you are still free to go private in the UK. You do not have to use the NHS..

Why would you want to go private?! I thought the NHS was AMAZING, and the US was sub-standard because it doesn't immediately copy the NHS. Now you're telling me that even with the miraculous NHS, people in Britain STILL need to go private to get what they need?!

I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

You are not compelled to do either. I had private treatment for a ligament injury several years ago at my employers insistence,
I was well looked after. But the surgeon who did the operation was the specialist from the local NHS who I had the initial consultation with. Private medicine in the UK is a parasite on the NHS.

What a coincidence. Socialism is a parasite on the private sector in the US.

I doubt that very much.