Thousand Oaks bar gunman was 'out of control' in high school, coach says

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

In short, it's a hot mess top to bottom. Sorry to be a downer, but there it is. As I have said before in so many ways, one fix for this would be an absolute zero-tolerance policy for violence in schools. But the culture doesn't have the stomach for it. The parents don't have the stomach for it.

So we will continue spewing out kids for whom their former teachers will say, "I knew this was coming."

Violence is failure and violence of this magnitude is the ultimate failure. There is a lot of territory between not wanting to crush the dreams of a person who has severe character flaws and aiding and abetting an individual who expresses a desire to kill other human beings "lawfully".

If you punish both the perpetrator and the victim due ot a zero tolerance policy (such as the case when a student defends themsleves that engenders a sense of injustice and if justice or fairness cannot be found by going to the "adults" in charge then you're essentially teaching them that they're on their own and bringing attention to issues of this nature only results in backlash towards the victim.

Getting to the bottom of a situation takes time and effort and it's important especially when known problem children are allowed to tarnish the reputations of others whom for all intents and purposes did nothing to warrant being targeted.

Also, when I use the terms "you" or "you're" I don't mean you specifically.

 

[Dragonlady]

Our local high schools do have a zero tolerance policy. Well, three strikes you're out. Forever. If Long had done to our coach what he did to that coach at his school, he would have been automatically out and also arrested. That, too, can be difficult, since a coworker's autistic teenager is one more shove/slap incident away from never seeing the inside of a school again.

Okay. What is "shove/slap" though? Do you know how strong some of these special needs kids can be?

How would you feel if you had a gen ed kid who was SLAPPED by an autistic child?

Can anyone tell me when it became acceptable to be slapped by someone because they are disabled? I would like everyone to reflect on that, please. Realize that I have been hit, shoved, bitten, had things thrown at me--and I am not a special ed teacher. This is supposed to be "part of the job".

Can anyone name for me ANY OTHER JOB where you are shoved, bitten, and had things thrown at you and you are expected to say, hey, that's just part of my job? And you must love and accept and encourage and cheer on the person who hit/bit/threw things at you?

1. Violence is not acceptable.

2. We do no favors to the perpetrator of violence when we just ACCEPT violence as an offshoot of his/her condition.

Nurses, home care workers, early childhood education workers. All sorts of workers have to accept injury and violence as part of the job. My neighbour has little feeling left in his hands because of damage from the chains while working in a slaughterhouse. Coal miners accepted dying from black lung.

There is also a vast difference between an who pathologically aggressive and acting out, and a low functioning autistic child who is unaware that they're harming others.

All sorts of workers have to accept injury and violence as part of the job.

50 years ago, the only violence in school was the kid with glasses getting hit by a paper wad...I know that was me...Seems that when Jimmy Carter enacted the law that prevented mentally sick people from having to go to the hospital( because of liberal compassion) Ronald Reagan shut many down because they weren't being used. I know that also, because in Washington DC, the St Elizabeth Mental Hospital was vacant for many years, until...….wait for it...….George Bush's(establishment liberal republican) created the Department of Homeland unSecurity, which now is their place of insane residence....Just cant make this shit up....

Auditors Bash Homeland Security For New Headquarters At Former Insane Asylum - Freedom Outpost

The Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) attempt to construct a new headquarters at St. Elizabeths, the home of a former insane asylum, is now 11 years behind schedule and over $1.5 billion dollars over budget, a number that is expected to grow if the DHS clings to its plans. But more delays are expected, and so is an exploding budget.

Over budget and behind in schedule, typical government waste....

50 years ago, autism was unheard of, ADHD was rare and children with disabilities which made them "low functioning" were living in group homes. They weren't in public school classrooms. But hey, let's not worry about what's going into the food and water. It's just bad parenting, right? Special education schools were discontinued and Special Ed kids were integrated into regular classrooms.

Stop blaming teachers for the problems of violence in your schools. Other countries don't have school shootings, and rampant public massacres. The USA is a violent society. It has been since the days of the Wild West. Your children are being shot and killed in numbers unheard of in the rest of the first world, and still you choose to do nothing.

The highest incarcertaion rates in the world. The highest murder rate in the first world. The highest rate of gun suicide in the first world. The highest rate of gun crime in the first world. The highest rate of accidental shootings in the first world.

Bitch , I was diagnosed with ADHD, I took Ritalin to burn me out, I had so much energy in school, I frequently visited the principles office for my weekly beating with the whistler. I also played war with my friends because back then only 13 years after WWII, where the US defeated the Socialists of Germany, we always pretended to kill as many socialist as we could to save our country. What you liberal bitches of today have done is so confused boys that they have no IDENTIY in the world, and in frustration they take it out on those that caused them their distress...

A man who came home from the war, went to his wife and cherished and protected her till death do they part, today the pajama boy couldn't give a shit if a girl getting gunned down, he would be out their with his cell phone videoing it so he can put it up on YouTube, because it is all about him, no one else. You can slap yourselves on the back liberals for the making of the pajama boy.....

You didn't kill German "socialists". You never heard the word socialist when you were a child. It was commies and Nazis. You killed NAZIS. And now you are one. You are the guy you hated as a child.

 

[AveryJarhman]

You understand I cannot tell you, even anonymously, how many times I or colleagues have reported cases of child abuse. It's very highly confidential.

Hello, Sue. In order for me and your readers to properly judge your honestly and credibility, this statement requires clarification.

I continue waiting for you to help educate me by sharing a state or federal rule of law forbidding teachers from anonymously discussing in public CHILD ABUSE that I am absolutely certain most all USA elementary school teachers observe more than once during their teaching career.

Frankly, I believe teachers are among the first line of defense for identifying victims of crappy, criminal dysfunctional parenting that has caused medical professionals to declare CHILD ABUSE is our Nation's number one PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.

Therefore, I am VERY interested in learning if teachers are encouraged or discouraged from reporting CHILD ABUSE.

Honestly, I believe a majority of teachers would prefer not to become personally involved in protecting our Nation's young from a growing population of mostly MOTHERS failing to place ABOVE ALL ELSE the emotional and/or physical well being of our Nation's most precious and cherished assets.

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Peace.

 

[AveryJarhman]

There is a lot of territory between not wanting to crush the dreams of a person who has severe character flaws

Hello, NVM. Do you believe people with severe character flaws are born that way...or is dysfunctional parenting primarily responsible for newborns maturing into emotionally troubled children, teens and ADULTS.

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Peace.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I have stated repeatedly that our society takes extraordinary measures to ensure that men are able to pursue whatever dreams they deem to pursue. Protecting convicted rapist Brock Turner's swimming career was more important than obtaining justice for the woman he violated. For numerous police officers, including a police chief whom were known to be domestic violence abusers, their careers were determined to be more important than the lives and safety of their victims because if they were treated in accordance with our laws, then they would have to be legally disarmed. Since you can not be a police officer if you can't carry a weapon they were allowed to keep their weapons and their jobs while some of their victims lost their lives.

Now we have Ian David Long, the mass shooter who killed 12 individuals including a police officer in Thousand Oaks California and he too apparently was coddled and measures were taken in order to not damage his ability to pursue his dream of becoming a U.S. Marine even though he assaulted one of his high school coaches and is alleged to have claimed that the reason he wanted to become a marine is so that he can kill people on behalf of the United States.

Please don't get me wrong, I am not attempting to paint entire groups or professions with the same broad brush of the worse of them, but in most if not all of these cases, the symptoms were there, but apparently no was willing to do what was needed because it would have harmed their future prospectives in their chosen endeavors.

If the powers that be are unable or unwilling to act when there are these blatent, blinding, flashing neon red flags, they have no business trying to regulate the lives of the rest of us, in my opinion.

Thousand Oaks bar gunman was 'out of control' in high school, coach says

MONTCLAIR, Calif. (AP) — A second high school coach of the gunman who killed 12 people at a Southern California bar recalled him on Sunday as volatile and intimidating, and said that repeated complaints to school administrators about his behavior failed to prompt any discipline.

Evie Cluke coached Ian David Long on Newbury Park High School's track team in 2007 and 2008. In an interview with The Associated Press, she said Long was a "ticking time bomb" who constantly lost his temper, threw tantrums and would scream at coaches when he didn't like their decisions. She said she once witnessed him assault a fellow coach.

That coach, Dominique Colell, said Long grabbed her rear and midsection after she refused to return a cellphone. Another time, he used his hand to mimic shooting her, Colell said, adding that she feared for herself whenever she was around him.​

You're very intelligent..I am going to have to read this 3 times..


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[Mikeoxenormous]

Okay. What is "shove/slap" though? Do you know how strong some of these special needs kids can be?

How would you feel if you had a gen ed kid who was SLAPPED by an autistic child?

Can anyone tell me when it became acceptable to be slapped by someone because they are disabled? I would like everyone to reflect on that, please. Realize that I have been hit, shoved, bitten, had things thrown at me--and I am not a special ed teacher. This is supposed to be "part of the job".

Can anyone name for me ANY OTHER JOB where you are shoved, bitten, and had things thrown at you and you are expected to say, hey, that's just part of my job? And you must love and accept and encourage and cheer on the person who hit/bit/threw things at you?

1. Violence is not acceptable.

2. We do no favors to the perpetrator of violence when we just ACCEPT violence as an offshoot of his/her condition.

Nurses, home care workers, early childhood education workers. All sorts of workers have to accept injury and violence as part of the job. My neighbour has little feeling left in his hands because of damage from the chains while working in a slaughterhouse. Coal miners accepted dying from black lung.

There is also a vast difference between an who pathologically aggressive and acting out, and a low functioning autistic child who is unaware that they're harming others.

All sorts of workers have to accept injury and violence as part of the job.

50 years ago, the only violence in school was the kid with glasses getting hit by a paper wad...I know that was me...Seems that when Jimmy Carter enacted the law that prevented mentally sick people from having to go to the hospital( because of liberal compassion) Ronald Reagan shut many down because they weren't being used. I know that also, because in Washington DC, the St Elizabeth Mental Hospital was vacant for many years, until...….wait for it...….George Bush's(establishment liberal republican) created the Department of Homeland unSecurity, which now is their place of insane residence....Just cant make this shit up....

Auditors Bash Homeland Security For New Headquarters At Former Insane Asylum - Freedom Outpost

The Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) attempt to construct a new headquarters at St. Elizabeths, the home of a former insane asylum, is now 11 years behind schedule and over $1.5 billion dollars over budget, a number that is expected to grow if the DHS clings to its plans. But more delays are expected, and so is an exploding budget.

Over budget and behind in schedule, typical government waste....

50 years ago, autism was unheard of, ADHD was rare and children with disabilities which made them "low functioning" were living in group homes. They weren't in public school classrooms. But hey, let's not worry about what's going into the food and water. It's just bad parenting, right? Special education schools were discontinued and Special Ed kids were integrated into regular classrooms.

Stop blaming teachers for the problems of violence in your schools. Other countries don't have school shootings, and rampant public massacres. The USA is a violent society. It has been since the days of the Wild West. Your children are being shot and killed in numbers unheard of in the rest of the first world, and still you choose to do nothing.

The highest incarcertaion rates in the world. The highest murder rate in the first world. The highest rate of gun suicide in the first world. The highest rate of gun crime in the first world. The highest rate of accidental shootings in the first world.

Bitch , I was diagnosed with ADHD, I took Ritalin to burn me out, I had so much energy in school, I frequently visited the principles office for my weekly beating with the whistler. I also played war with my friends because back then only 13 years after WWII, where the US defeated the Socialists of Germany, we always pretended to kill as many socialist as we could to save our country. What you liberal bitches of today have done is so confused boys that they have no IDENTIY in the world, and in frustration they take it out on those that caused them their distress...

A man who came home from the war, went to his wife and cherished and protected her till death do they part, today the pajama boy couldn't give a shit if a girl getting gunned down, he would be out their with his cell phone videoing it so he can put it up on YouTube, because it is all about him, no one else. You can slap yourselves on the back liberals for the making of the pajama boy.....

You didn't kill German "socialists". You never heard the word socialist when you were a child. It was commies and Nazis. You killed NAZIS. And now you are one. You are the guy you hated as a child.

Nice try bitch. It isnt me trying to take away the freedoms of US citizens by FORCING them to for the first time buy a healthcare system that isnt affordable. It wasn't me who voted for a guy who had the DOJ allow "assault" weapons to be purchased by Mexican Drug Cartels, that ended up killing 10,000s of Mexicans and a US border agent. I am sorry that you are too stupid to not know the difference between Freedom loving patriots and Socialists, like the Democratic Socialist Workers Party or the United Soviet Socialist Republic. Shame you couldn't get past the 2nd grade...