"This isn't a gun problem, this is a mental problem,"

[longknife]

I love these quotes about American having more gun deaths than anywhere else.

At least 93,000 have been killed in Syria alone! Surely not because of guns.

How many in Asia? And Africa?

But, don't ask the Libtards that because they'll ignore the facts and claim it's a "gun mania" here.

Moron...are you then stating that we are at a civil WAR within the U.S.???

You must be a US Army RETARTED.

If you are going to try to show your righteous anger, at least learn to spell.

 

[emilynghiem]

Amen! Trump tells it like it is while Hilly and Obama go on their typical anti-gun rants.



Calling the gunman a "very sick man," Trump said mental illness is "a massive problem" in the U.S. He suggested more resources should be devoted to addressing mental health -- hoping to prevent shootings like the one in Virginia, which he called "really, very sad."



My own question is: if this guy guy had to go through a background check to buy the Glock, why didn't it show he had serious mental problems?



The answer is simple – PC! We've become so afraid of telling it like it is that this guy – and many others – are able to arm themselves to go out and do things like this. And, if they can, what about those “mental cases” who openly state their desire is to destroy America?



Read more @ Trump: Mental health, not gun problem - CNNPolitics.com

longknife I agree with PaintMyHouse that it's BOTH a gun problem and mental problem:
similar to how drunk driving is both a driver safety issue AND a drinking/addiction problem.

If we don't solve the problem with drinking addictions, which aren't always visible,
we end up with drunk driving problems to find out where there was unchecked alcoholic addiction.

Same with the gun problem: if we don't solve the problem with mental illness, which isn't always visible,
we end up with gun problems to find out where there was unchecked mental illness.

It trickles or escalates into the worse problem, though both stem from mental illness or addiction first.

 

[2aguy]

Amen! Trump tells it like it is while Hilly and Obama go on their typical anti-gun rants.



Calling the gunman a "very sick man," Trump said mental illness is "a massive problem" in the U.S. He suggested more resources should be devoted to addressing mental health -- hoping to prevent shootings like the one in Virginia, which he called "really, very sad."



My own question is: if this guy guy had to go through a background check to buy the Glock, why didn't it show he had serious mental problems?



The answer is simple – PC! We've become so afraid of telling it like it is that this guy – and many others – are able to arm themselves to go out and do things like this. And, if they can, what about those “mental cases” who openly state their desire is to destroy America?



Read more @ Trump: Mental health, not gun problem - CNNPolitics.com

longknife I agree with PaintMyHouse that it's BOTH a gun problem and mental problem:
similar to how drunk driving is both a driver safety issue AND a drinking/addiction problem.

If we don't solve the problem with drinking addictions, which aren't always visible,
we end up with drunk driving problems to find out where there was unchecked alcoholic addiction.

Same with the gun problem: if we don't solve the problem with mental illness, which isn't always visible,
we end up with gun problems to find out where there was unchecked mental illness.

It trickles or escalates into the worse problem, though both stem from mental illness or addiction first.

Sorry, you are mistaken. We do not blame the car for drunk driving…at all. We always blame the driver. For guns, they always blame the gun and deflect from the criminal using the gun. The majority of gun murder in this country is committed by violent criminals, some as young as 15, who are murdering other criminals, many of whom are also violent and who have murdered people as well. The focus of people like paintmyhouse has always been on the 356,991,876 million guns that were not used to commit murder rather than addressing actually stopping criminals who use guns.

Mental illness is also a misdirection. Suicide is a problem in the United States, but very few mentally ill ever use guns to commit murder. Suicide has to be addressed by not by focusing on the gun…another way the anti gun side of the equation gets distracted from the actual issue which leads to not finding a solution.

Focus on actual criminals, not law abiding gun owners, and focus on the mentally ill…and the vast majority of gun crime and suicides will be addressed.

 

[Pogo]

Sorry, you are mistaken. We do not blame the car for drunk driving…at all. We always blame the driver.

Of course -- but that's not what she suggested, is it? How can we "blame" an inanimate object? And why does your ilk constantly need to twist the argument into something stupid that nobody said?

It's a "gun problem" only insofar as we as a culture are obsessed with them, but the guns don't make that happen -- that's entirely on us. That's a choice we make. Guns are a technology; they don't have free will. Think about it.

The majority of gun murder in this country is committed by violent criminals, some as young as 15, who are murdering other criminals, many of whom are also violent and who have murdered people as well.

And, whatever mental states they have in common or don't have in common ----- they're about 99.9% male. That's the elephant in the room, and it's directly and intimately connected to the obsession noted above. It's the fuel. That's the root of it.

I still agree with the title, though I still take the word "mental" as a collective.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

"This isn't a gun problem, this is a mental problem,"

It's both. Stop panicking about your deadly toys, they aren't going anywhere, for now.

Our 2nd Amendment rights aren't going away, ever.

Stop wasting time trying to ban guns and spend more time getting rid of the criminals. Let's start with a mandatory death penalty for gun crimes.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

We have less than 3% of the world's population......yet have more than 1/3 of the murders by guns and other lethal weapons....we even "beat" Yemen for deaths by guns.

We do NOT have a "monopoly" on mental health problems....but, the combination of such mental disorders AND the ready availability of guns makes us...as a nation....who we are.

Bullshit. Brazil has the highest murder rate in the world.

 

[Pogo]

"This isn't a gun problem, this is a mental problem,"

It's both. Stop panicking about your deadly toys, they aren't going anywhere, for now.

Our 2nd Amendment rights aren't going away, ever.

Stop wasting time trying to ban guns and spend more time getting rid of the criminals. Let's start with a mandatory death penalty for gun crimes.

You're starting there with the failed premise that "penalties" including death, are somehow a deterrent.

Too bad for that point that your typical mass shooter already invokes his own self-administered death penalty as his coda.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

"This isn't a gun problem, this is a mental problem,"

It's both. Stop panicking about your deadly toys, they aren't going anywhere, for now.

Our 2nd Amendment rights aren't going away, ever.

Stop wasting time trying to ban guns and spend more time getting rid of the criminals. Let's start with a mandatory death penalty for gun crimes.

You're starting there with the failed premise that "penalties" including death, are somehow a deterrent.

Too bad for that point that your typical mass shooter already invokes his own self-administered death penalty as his coda.

You're only interested in stopping mass shootings? Nevermind the thousands of other gun crimes committed every year?

 

[Pogo]

We have less than 3% of the world's population......yet have more than 1/3 of the murders by guns and other lethal weapons....we even "beat" Yemen for deaths by guns.

We do NOT have a "monopoly" on mental health problems....but, the combination of such mental disorders AND the ready availability of guns makes us...as a nation....who we are.

Bullshit. Brazil has the highest murder rate in the world.

--- As long as by "Brazil" you mean "Honduras". Actually Brazil is #18, with less than half the homicide rate of the US.

Oh look --- a link. Imagine that.

 

[Pogo]

"This isn't a gun problem, this is a mental problem,"

It's both. Stop panicking about your deadly toys, they aren't going anywhere, for now.

Our 2nd Amendment rights aren't going away, ever.

Stop wasting time trying to ban guns and spend more time getting rid of the criminals. Let's start with a mandatory death penalty for gun crimes.

You're starting there with the failed premise that "penalties" including death, are somehow a deterrent.

Too bad for that point that your typical mass shooter already invokes his own self-administered death penalty as his coda.

You're only interested in stopping mass shootings? Nevermind the thousands of other gun crimes committed every year?

What are you, a flea with that kind of leap?

I'm pointing out that the death penalty is not a deterrent. That was your point, remember?

 

[bucs90]

"This isn't a gun problem, this is a mental problem,"

It's both. Stop panicking about your deadly toys, they aren't going anywhere, for now.

"Ever".

The cops aren't gonna take em.
The military isn't gonna take em.

And YOU sure as fuck arent.

Our guns aren't going anywhere....ever. Burn that one into your mind.

 

[bucs90]

We have less than 3% of the world's population......yet have more than 1/3 of the murders by guns and other lethal weapons....we even "beat" Yemen for deaths by guns.

We do NOT have a "monopoly" on mental health problems....but, the combination of such mental disorders AND the ready availability of guns makes us...as a nation....who we are.

Bullshit. Brazil has the highest murder rate in the world.

--- As long as by "Brazil" you mean "Honduras". Actually Brazil is #18, with less than half the homicide rate of the US.

Oh look --- a link. Imagine that.

AH YES BRAZIL!!!! I'm quite familiar. I've practiced Brazilian JiuJitsu for over 10 years, have many training partners and coaches from the City of God and other areas like Recife and Sao Paulo. Been to Brazil a few times to train with them.

You wanna know why Brazils statistical murder rate is seemingly lower than its reputation? For one....bodies disappear very easily and police never know about it.

Second....look up the BOPE police. Shit disappears in Brazil.

 

[Pogo]

AH YES BRAZIL!!!! I'm quite familiar. I've practiced Brazilian JiuJitsu for over 10 years, have many training partners and coaches from the City of God and other areas like Recife and Sao Paulo. Been to Brazil a few times to train with them.

Then you should know it's called capoeira, and that the city is spelled São Paulo.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

"This isn't a gun problem, this is a mental problem,"

It's both. Stop panicking about your deadly toys, they aren't going anywhere, for now.

Our 2nd Amendment rights aren't going away, ever.

Stop wasting time trying to ban guns and spend more time getting rid of the criminals. Let's start with a mandatory death penalty for gun crimes.

You're starting there with the failed premise that "penalties" including death, are somehow a deterrent.

Too bad for that point that your typical mass shooter already invokes his own self-administered death penalty as his coda.

You're only interested in stopping mass shootings? Nevermind the thousands of other gun crimes committed every year?

What are you, a flea with that kind of leap?

I'm pointing out that the death penalty is not a deterrent. That was your point, remember?

When the death penalty was mandatory for gun crimes, the gun crime rate was lower than it is now.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

We have less than 3% of the world's population......yet have more than 1/3 of the murders by guns and other lethal weapons....we even "beat" Yemen for deaths by guns.

We do NOT have a "monopoly" on mental health problems....but, the combination of such mental disorders AND the ready availability of guns makes us...as a nation....who we are.

Bullshit. Brazil has the highest murder rate in the world.

--- As long as by "Brazil" you mean "Honduras". Actually Brazil is #18, with less than half the homicide rate of the US.

Oh look --- a link. Imagine that.

I have a link, too...


Mapped: One-in-five murder victims in world is Brazilian, Colombian or Venezuelan

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

We have less than 3% of the world's population......yet have more than 1/3 of the murders by guns and other lethal weapons....we even "beat" Yemen for deaths by guns.

We do NOT have a "monopoly" on mental health problems....but, the combination of such mental disorders AND the ready availability of guns makes us...as a nation....who we are.

Bullshit. Brazil has the highest murder rate in the world.

--- As long as by "Brazil" you mean "Honduras". Actually Brazil is #18, with less than half the homicide rate of the US.

Oh look --- a link. Imagine that.

LOL...YOur link shows Brazil having 50 thousand murdrs and The United States having 14 thousand murders.

 

[Pogo]

We have less than 3% of the world's population......yet have more than 1/3 of the murders by guns and other lethal weapons....we even "beat" Yemen for deaths by guns.

We do NOT have a "monopoly" on mental health problems....but, the combination of such mental disorders AND the ready availability of guns makes us...as a nation....who we are.

Bullshit. Brazil has the highest murder rate in the world.

--- As long as by "Brazil" you mean "Honduras". Actually Brazil is #18, with less than half the homicide rate of the US.

Oh look --- a link. Imagine that.

LOL...YOur link shows Brazil having 50 thousand murdrs and The United States having 14 thousand murders.

Clearly you don't understand the difference between "rate" and "absolute". Don't know why you're even on the internet by yourself. Dismissed.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

We have less than 3% of the world's population......yet have more than 1/3 of the murders by guns and other lethal weapons....we even "beat" Yemen for deaths by guns.

We do NOT have a "monopoly" on mental health problems....but, the combination of such mental disorders AND the ready availability of guns makes us...as a nation....who we are.

Bullshit. Brazil has the highest murder rate in the world.

--- As long as by "Brazil" you mean "Honduras". Actually Brazil is #18, with less than half the homicide rate of the US.

Oh look --- a link. Imagine that.

LOL...YOur link shows Brazil having 50 thousand murdrs and The United States having 14 thousand murders.

Clearly you don't understand the difference between "rate" and "absolute". Don't know why you're even on the internet by yourself. Dismissed.

You link proved you wrong. Live with it.

While we're at it, tell us how well anti-gun laws are working in Mexico.

 

[Pogo]

We have less than 3% of the world's population......yet have more than 1/3 of the murders by guns and other lethal weapons....we even "beat" Yemen for deaths by guns.

We do NOT have a "monopoly" on mental health problems....but, the combination of such mental disorders AND the ready availability of guns makes us...as a nation....who we are.

Bullshit. Brazil has the highest murder rate in the world.

--- As long as by "Brazil" you mean "Honduras". Actually Brazil is #18, with less than half the homicide rate of the US.

Oh look --- a link. Imagine that.

LOL...YOur link shows Brazil having 50 thousand murdrs and The United States having 14 thousand murders.

Clearly you don't understand the difference between "rate" and "absolute". Don't know why you're even on the internet by yourself. Dismissed.

You link proved you wrong. Live with it.

Ummm.... nnnnno it doesn't. It puts Brazil at #18, as I said. Perhaps you're too stupid to sort the fields.

While we're at it, tell us how well anti-gun laws are working in Mexico.

How the fuck would I know? I'm neither Mexican nor an advocate of "anti-gun laws", so you tell me. If you can figure out how to look it up...