This is why you shouldn't pay burger flippers 15 an hour

[dannyboys]

Business cannot base their budget on emotional factors... If they have 40% available for labor costs than that is all they have, regardless of how long the janitor has been working for them.

. Agree if that's all they have, but how do you know what they have, and if they did what I said, then would you disagree with them for doing so ? Hmmm, is it that you like calaboration on the issue at or near the top or in certain circles, otherwise to say that if the employee's being treated badly at XYZ company can't run to ABC company in order to do better, and/or get a better situation going, then somehow that is a good thing in your opinion ?

That's our point. You seem to be automatically assuming they do have money to pay more. You don't know that.

I know the company has more money to pay employees more, when they do in fact pay their employees more.
Most businesses that have more money, do in fact pay their employees higher wages.

And I have in fact worked with companies that simply didn't have anymore money. They couldn't offer you a pay raise, if they wanted to.

When I was in high school, I worked at McDonalds. I think I was paid 25¢ over minimum wage, which was $4.50 an hour. They never gave anyone a raise. Why? Because they were broke. And as if to prove it, the year after I left their employment, they closed the store. "McDonald has billions! They can pay $15/hour!".... you don't know that. Each store, is a self contained business. Most are franchises, that are not even connected to McDonald's corporate. The store someone is working at, could be on the brink of bankruptcy. You don't know.

The stores that make more money, routinely pay higher wages. Again, all the way back in the 1990s, if I worked at the fast food joint downtown, I was paid $4/hour more. Why? Because it was way downtown, and you were hopping with people all day long, and thus obviously the store made more money, and thus they could pay higher wages.

Like I said, employers that can pay their workers more.... routinely do. By the way, that's at all pay ranges, not just entry level. If you doubt that, just ask how much a mechanic makes at the Chevy dealer, verses the Cadillac Dealer. Or look at how much airline pilots made in the 1970s, when plane tickets were 4 times higher in price. Airline pilots made a ton more than they do today.

This shouldn't be surprising. When the company makes more money, they are routinely willing to pay out higher wages.

When they don't.... they don't.

Complete and utter bunk. Businesses don't give raises when they have more money, they give raises when they need to do so to retain employees. PERIOD.

And yet.... I've been given a raise. I have no degree, no skills, no abilities whatsoever. I was given a raise. Can you explain that? They could have replaced me with a million people easy. Any idiot could have walked in off the street, and done my job. Why give me a raise?

Why did the airlines in the 1970s and prior, pay their pilots tons of money? Why did airline pilot pay drop after deregulation, when ticket prices fell. Did they need to keep pilots in the 1970s, and magically not have any need to keep them in the 1990s?

Why do McDonald's in Norway pay their employees $15/hour, when there is no minimum wage at all? Can't be because they charge $16 for a burger, and thus have the money to pay more.... right? So what's your answer?

Why do Cadillac, and Lexus dealerships pay their mechanics way more than Chevy and Ford Dealers? Couldn't be because those cars bring in more revenue, and thus they can pay more.... right? So what's your claim?

The employees at McDonald's in Norway have to pay back 80% of what they get paid in taxes. Think on that!
The mechanics who work on Lexus and Cadillac cars get paid more for the same reason mechanics who work on Ferraris and Lamborghinis get paid more.
THINK!
These are extremely highly trained mechanics working on extremely expensive cars.
THINK!!!!!
I took my vintage Mass. to the dealership recently for it's annual checkup/service.
The car is literally bullet proof. The labor to do a thorough checkup was $160 an hour for three hours.
I'm more than happy to pay highly trained mechanics to even put a hand on my car.
I watched through the window as the mechanics went over the car. Two of them in pristine white overalls. You could literally eat off the floor.
Four pages of checkmarks.

 

[beagle9]

Are most of you socialist or communist (?), because you sound like it. What ever happened to companies just like States operating as unique places or things ? I mean this idea of somehow not using a minimum wage as an entrance training pay, and then the employee moving into the company structural ladder pay system reeps of a socialism/communist style of thinking and systems. Are we America the home of the free or America the new communist state or socialist world order ?

 

[Andylusion]

Business cannot base their budget on emotional factors... If they have 40% available for labor costs than that is all they have, regardless of how long the janitor has been working for them.

. Agree if that's all they have, but how do you know what they have, and if they did what I said, then would you disagree with them for doing so ? Hmmm, is it that you like calaboration on the issue at or near the top or in certain circles, otherwise to say that if the employee's being treated badly at XYZ company can't run to ABC company in order to do better, and/or get a better situation going, then somehow that is a good thing in your opinion ?

That's our point. You seem to be automatically assuming they do have money to pay more. You don't know that.

I know the company has more money to pay employees more, when they do in fact pay their employees more.
Most businesses that have more money, do in fact pay their employees higher wages.

And I have in fact worked with companies that simply didn't have anymore money. They couldn't offer you a pay raise, if they wanted to.

When I was in high school, I worked at McDonalds. I think I was paid 25¢ over minimum wage, which was $4.50 an hour. They never gave anyone a raise. Why? Because they were broke. And as if to prove it, the year after I left their employment, they closed the store. "McDonald has billions! They can pay $15/hour!".... you don't know that. Each store, is a self contained business. Most are franchises, that are not even connected to McDonald's corporate. The store someone is working at, could be on the brink of bankruptcy. You don't know.

The stores that make more money, routinely pay higher wages. Again, all the way back in the 1990s, if I worked at the fast food joint downtown, I was paid $4/hour more. Why? Because it was way downtown, and you were hopping with people all day long, and thus obviously the store made more money, and thus they could pay higher wages.

Like I said, employers that can pay their workers more.... routinely do. By the way, that's at all pay ranges, not just entry level. If you doubt that, just ask how much a mechanic makes at the Chevy dealer, verses the Cadillac Dealer. Or look at how much airline pilots made in the 1970s, when plane tickets were 4 times higher in price. Airline pilots made a ton more than they do today.

This shouldn't be surprising. When the company makes more money, they are routinely willing to pay out higher wages.

When they don't.... they don't.

Complete and utter bunk. Businesses don't give raises when they have more money, they give raises when they need to do so to retain employees. PERIOD.

And yet.... I've been given a raise. I have no degree, no skills, no abilities whatsoever. I was given a raise. Can you explain that? They could have replaced me with a million people easy. Any idiot could have walked in off the street, and done my job. Why give me a raise?

Why did the airlines in the 1970s and prior, pay their pilots tons of money? Why did airline pilot pay drop after deregulation, when ticket prices fell. Did they need to keep pilots in the 1970s, and magically not have any need to keep them in the 1990s?

Why do McDonald's in Norway pay their employees $15/hour, when there is no minimum wage at all? Can't be because they charge $16 for a burger, and thus have the money to pay more.... right? So what's your answer?

Why do Cadillac, and Lexus dealerships pay their mechanics way more than Chevy and Ford Dealers? Couldn't be because those cars bring in more revenue, and thus they can pay more.... right? So what's your claim?

The employees at McDonald's in Norway have to pay back 80% of what they get paid in taxes. Think on that!
The mechanics who work on Lexus and Cadillac cars get paid more for the same reason mechanics who work on Ferraris and Lamborghinis get paid more.
THINK!
These are extremely highly trained mechanics working on extremely expensive cars.
THINK!!!!!
I took my vintage Mass. to the dealership recently for it's annual checkup/service.
The car is literally bullet proof. The labor to do a thorough checkup was $160 an hour for three hours.
I'm more than happy to pay highly trained mechanics to even put a hand on my car.
I watched through the window as the mechanics went over the car. Two of them in pristine white overalls. You could literally eat off the floor.
Four pages of checkmarks.

Working on a Cadillac is not more difficult than working on a Chevy. In some cases, the Chevy is more difficult. I should know.... I was trying to be a mechanic. That's why I was working there. The reason they were paid more is simple.... because they charged the customer more. More revenue = high pay.

If you still want to question that... take a Chevy to the Chevy dealer, and ask for a price quote. Take the same car, to the Cadillac dealership and ask for a price quote. Same car, same job, different price. Higher price to the shop... higher wage to the mechanics.

A vintage car, is a different beast all together. You start to have a hard time finding qualified experienced mechanics. As a result of low supply of qualified labor, you end up paying a premium. That's true, but not at all what this discussion is about.

 

[Andylusion]

Business cannot base their budget on emotional factors... If they have 40% available for labor costs than that is all they have, regardless of how long the janitor has been working for them.

. Agree if that's all they have, but how do you know what they have, and if they did what I said, then would you disagree with them for doing so ? Hmmm, is it that you like calaboration on the issue at or near the top or in certain circles, otherwise to say that if the employee's being treated badly at XYZ company can't run to ABC company in order to do better, and/or get a better situation going, then somehow that is a good thing in your opinion ?

That's our point. You seem to be automatically assuming they do have money to pay more. You don't know that.

I know the company has more money to pay employees more, when they do in fact pay their employees more.
Most businesses that have more money, do in fact pay their employees higher wages.

And I have in fact worked with companies that simply didn't have anymore money. They couldn't offer you a pay raise, if they wanted to.

When I was in high school, I worked at McDonalds. I think I was paid 25¢ over minimum wage, which was $4.50 an hour. They never gave anyone a raise. Why? Because they were broke. And as if to prove it, the year after I left their employment, they closed the store. "McDonald has billions! They can pay $15/hour!".... you don't know that. Each store, is a self contained business. Most are franchises, that are not even connected to McDonald's corporate. The store someone is working at, could be on the brink of bankruptcy. You don't know.

The stores that make more money, routinely pay higher wages. Again, all the way back in the 1990s, if I worked at the fast food joint downtown, I was paid $4/hour more. Why? Because it was way downtown, and you were hopping with people all day long, and thus obviously the store made more money, and thus they could pay higher wages.

Like I said, employers that can pay their workers more.... routinely do. By the way, that's at all pay ranges, not just entry level. If you doubt that, just ask how much a mechanic makes at the Chevy dealer, verses the Cadillac Dealer. Or look at how much airline pilots made in the 1970s, when plane tickets were 4 times higher in price. Airline pilots made a ton more than they do today.

This shouldn't be surprising. When the company makes more money, they are routinely willing to pay out higher wages.

When they don't.... they don't.

Complete and utter bunk. Businesses don't give raises when they have more money, they give raises when they need to do so to retain employees. PERIOD.

And yet.... I've been given a raise. I have no degree, no skills, no abilities whatsoever. I was given a raise. Can you explain that? They could have replaced me with a million people easy. Any idiot could have walked in off the street, and done my job. Why give me a raise?

Why did the airlines in the 1970s and prior, pay their pilots tons of money? Why did airline pilot pay drop after deregulation, when ticket prices fell. Did they need to keep pilots in the 1970s, and magically not have any need to keep them in the 1990s?

Why do McDonald's in Norway pay their employees $15/hour, when there is no minimum wage at all? Can't be because they charge $16 for a burger, and thus have the money to pay more.... right? So what's your answer?

Why do Cadillac, and Lexus dealerships pay their mechanics way more than Chevy and Ford Dealers? Couldn't be because those cars bring in more revenue, and thus they can pay more.... right? So what's your claim?

The employees at McDonald's in Norway have to pay back 80% of what they get paid in taxes. Think on that!
The mechanics who work on Lexus and Cadillac cars get paid more for the same reason mechanics who work on Ferraris and Lamborghinis get paid more.
THINK!
These are extremely highly trained mechanics working on extremely expensive cars.
THINK!!!!!
I took my vintage Mass. to the dealership recently for it's annual checkup/service.
The car is literally bullet proof. The labor to do a thorough checkup was $160 an hour for three hours.
I'm more than happy to pay highly trained mechanics to even put a hand on my car.
I watched through the window as the mechanics went over the car. Two of them in pristine white overalls. You could literally eat off the floor.
Four pages of checkmarks.

Norway McDonald's Employees pay 80% of their pay checks in taxes? Really? 80%? So Norway has a massive entirely regressive tax system, that penalizes the low-wage workers at 80%, but rewards the high-wage workers with 39% tax rates?

Why do you want to emulate them?

Top marginal tax rates in Norway... INCLUDING ALL PAYROLL TAX..... is only 39%.

You are telling me the McDonald's worker in Norway is paying 80%, while Corporate CEOs Norway are only taxed at 39%? Really?

Are did you just fart out of your butt all over the forums just now?

 

[Andylusion]

Are most of you socialist or communist (?), because you sound like it. What ever happened to companies just like States operating as unique places or things ? I mean this idea of somehow not using a minimum wage as an entrance training pay, and then the employee moving into the company structural ladder pay system reeps of a socialism/communist style of thinking and systems. Are we America the home of the free or America the new communist state or socialist world order ?

Again, you are assuming there is a ladder to climb. There may not be. The company I work for right now, is just 5 people. There is no 'step up' from here. I'm never going to get a raise, because there is no move up the ladder position to get.

Even if there was a ladder to climb..... you can't put time-stamp on it. The company I was at before, was 20 people. Was there a step up? Sure. I could move up to service, or invoicing, or something else. But only if the person in those positions died or left the company. Just because I was there 3 years, didn't mean there was magically a spot open for me to jump into just because I wanted to.

The only way I could get a pay raise, was to either get a degree (which people do), or get another job.

My problem with the "after 6 months you should just move up in pay", is that you just assume that the company has a new position for them to go into. Some don't. Many don't.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I was speaking more of any company with 50 employees, but we could probably do the math for McDonald's since they put a lot of their business information out there. 35,000 stores across the globe, 80% are franchised - over 57% are conventional franchises w/24% being licensed to foreign affiliates/developmental licenses. They employee 1.9 million workers. Average franchise makes between $500,000 and $1,000,000 profit a year, w/total sales averaging $2.6 million. Their advertising budget is $988m year.

Now the raw math 1.9M employees divided by 35,000 stores comes up with 54,285 workers per store, but we know that's not true lol Some of them have to be researchers, nutritional experts, chemists, butchers, corporate, there's probably builders and architects, etc.

We can take the FF industry numbers from 2013 though; 3,653,168 employees and 232,611 FF establishments which gives us an average of about 16 employees per.

Wages $33,280 + $2,063.36 Social Security Tax + $965.12 Medicaid Tax + $3,328 Workers Comp Insurance = $39,636.48 per employee
We'll presume they don't have health insurance just to make this easier (though higher ups get health insurance benefits I believe)

Cost of labor to average franchise $634,183.70

And do keep in mind that not all employees at McDonald's make $15/h, the higher ups get $25+/h (according to my kido anyway; a year or so ago he turned down a management position at McDonald's to intern as an airplane mechanic. This is in Alaska so our rates are a bit higher, but that was the stating wage so.)

Now there's no costs for automation of a single franchise I can find (or I would have posted it) but the links I provided give a range of $28,000 for a single welding robot to somewhere over $90,000 for something that replaces almost all employees (as they said it would supposedly would save them that much,) the other article claims it would pay for itself in a year. If we presume the later two are true we come up with a cost of around $500,000 - $1m to automate.

Middle ground on that cost would be about $750,000 so we can estimate that it would take 2 years for automation to be cheaper than workers for most franchises.

Automation. LOL notice Wal Mart has cut back on their self check outs an added more workers because generally speaking people like to deal with people. Now eventually these machines will be commonplace, regardless of the mw, but it is a red herring in terms of the mw discussion.

Well obviously you don't have a fucking clue when it comes to robotics , automation, economics and business.

My dad was an automation engineer, I have been in manufacturing for the past 33 years now.

1. Only 3% of workers make MW

2. Like 50% make under 30 grand a year

3. Like 90% of businesses are small.

Anything could have been automated at least 30 years ago if you had the money to do it.

Do you comprehend that?


Anything could have been automated at least 30 years ago if you had the money to do it.

Once the God Damn labor rate cost more then automation, then more and more places will become automated.

It is simple God Damn economics

Artifically rise labor cost, then the domino effect occurs.



.

 

[Wyatt earp]

. Agree if that's all they have, but how do you know what they have, and if they did what I said, then would you disagree with them for doing so ? Hmmm, is it that you like calaboration on the issue at or near the top or in certain circles, otherwise to say that if the employee's being treated badly at XYZ company can't run to ABC company in order to do better, and/or get a better situation going, then somehow that is a good thing in your opinion ?

That's our point. You seem to be automatically assuming they do have money to pay more. You don't know that.

I know the company has more money to pay employees more, when they do in fact pay their employees more.
Most businesses that have more money, do in fact pay their employees higher wages.

And I have in fact worked with companies that simply didn't have anymore money. They couldn't offer you a pay raise, if they wanted to.

When I was in high school, I worked at McDonalds. I think I was paid 25¢ over minimum wage, which was $4.50 an hour. They never gave anyone a raise. Why? Because they were broke. And as if to prove it, the year after I left their employment, they closed the store. "McDonald has billions! They can pay $15/hour!".... you don't know that. Each store, is a self contained business. Most are franchises, that are not even connected to McDonald's corporate. The store someone is working at, could be on the brink of bankruptcy. You don't know.

The stores that make more money, routinely pay higher wages. Again, all the way back in the 1990s, if I worked at the fast food joint downtown, I was paid $4/hour more. Why? Because it was way downtown, and you were hopping with people all day long, and thus obviously the store made more money, and thus they could pay higher wages.

Like I said, employers that can pay their workers more.... routinely do. By the way, that's at all pay ranges, not just entry level. If you doubt that, just ask how much a mechanic makes at the Chevy dealer, verses the Cadillac Dealer. Or look at how much airline pilots made in the 1970s, when plane tickets were 4 times higher in price. Airline pilots made a ton more than they do today.

This shouldn't be surprising. When the company makes more money, they are routinely willing to pay out higher wages.

When they don't.... they don't.

Complete and utter bunk. Businesses don't give raises when they have more money, they give raises when they need to do so to retain employees. PERIOD.

And yet.... I've been given a raise. I have no degree, no skills, no abilities whatsoever. I was given a raise. Can you explain that? They could have replaced me with a million people easy. Any idiot could have walked in off the street, and done my job. Why give me a raise?

Why did the airlines in the 1970s and prior, pay their pilots tons of money? Why did airline pilot pay drop after deregulation, when ticket prices fell. Did they need to keep pilots in the 1970s, and magically not have any need to keep them in the 1990s?

Why do McDonald's in Norway pay their employees $15/hour, when there is no minimum wage at all? Can't be because they charge $16 for a burger, and thus have the money to pay more.... right? So what's your answer?

Why do Cadillac, and Lexus dealerships pay their mechanics way more than Chevy and Ford Dealers? Couldn't be because those cars bring in more revenue, and thus they can pay more.... right? So what's your claim?

The employees at McDonald's in Norway have to pay back 80% of what they get paid in taxes. Think on that!
The mechanics who work on Lexus and Cadillac cars get paid more for the same reason mechanics who work on Ferraris and Lamborghinis get paid more.
THINK!
These are extremely highly trained mechanics working on extremely expensive cars.
THINK!!!!!
I took my vintage Mass. to the dealership recently for it's annual checkup/service.
The car is literally bullet proof. The labor to do a thorough checkup was $160 an hour for three hours.
I'm more than happy to pay highly trained mechanics to even put a hand on my car.
I watched through the window as the mechanics went over the car. Two of them in pristine white overalls. You could literally eat off the floor.
Four pages of checkmarks.

Norway McDonald's Employees pay 80% of their pay checks in taxes? Really? 80%? So Norway has a massive entirely regressive tax system, that penalizes the low-wage workers at 80%, but rewards the high-wage workers with 39% tax rates?

Why do you want to emulate them?

View attachment 73262

Top marginal tax rates in Norway... INCLUDING ALL PAYROLL TAX..... is only 39%.

You are telling me the McDonald's worker in Norway is paying 80%, while Corporate CEOs Norway are only taxed at 39%? Really?

Are did you just fart out of your butt all over the forums just now?

Don't say anything about the cost of living in Norway....



It would fuck up your argument huh?



.

 

[Andylusion]

That's our point. You seem to be automatically assuming they do have money to pay more. You don't know that.

I know the company has more money to pay employees more, when they do in fact pay their employees more.
Most businesses that have more money, do in fact pay their employees higher wages.

And I have in fact worked with companies that simply didn't have anymore money. They couldn't offer you a pay raise, if they wanted to.

When I was in high school, I worked at McDonalds. I think I was paid 25¢ over minimum wage, which was $4.50 an hour. They never gave anyone a raise. Why? Because they were broke. And as if to prove it, the year after I left their employment, they closed the store. "McDonald has billions! They can pay $15/hour!".... you don't know that. Each store, is a self contained business. Most are franchises, that are not even connected to McDonald's corporate. The store someone is working at, could be on the brink of bankruptcy. You don't know.

The stores that make more money, routinely pay higher wages. Again, all the way back in the 1990s, if I worked at the fast food joint downtown, I was paid $4/hour more. Why? Because it was way downtown, and you were hopping with people all day long, and thus obviously the store made more money, and thus they could pay higher wages.

Like I said, employers that can pay their workers more.... routinely do. By the way, that's at all pay ranges, not just entry level. If you doubt that, just ask how much a mechanic makes at the Chevy dealer, verses the Cadillac Dealer. Or look at how much airline pilots made in the 1970s, when plane tickets were 4 times higher in price. Airline pilots made a ton more than they do today.

This shouldn't be surprising. When the company makes more money, they are routinely willing to pay out higher wages.

When they don't.... they don't.

Complete and utter bunk. Businesses don't give raises when they have more money, they give raises when they need to do so to retain employees. PERIOD.

And yet.... I've been given a raise. I have no degree, no skills, no abilities whatsoever. I was given a raise. Can you explain that? They could have replaced me with a million people easy. Any idiot could have walked in off the street, and done my job. Why give me a raise?

Why did the airlines in the 1970s and prior, pay their pilots tons of money? Why did airline pilot pay drop after deregulation, when ticket prices fell. Did they need to keep pilots in the 1970s, and magically not have any need to keep them in the 1990s?

Why do McDonald's in Norway pay their employees $15/hour, when there is no minimum wage at all? Can't be because they charge $16 for a burger, and thus have the money to pay more.... right? So what's your answer?

Why do Cadillac, and Lexus dealerships pay their mechanics way more than Chevy and Ford Dealers? Couldn't be because those cars bring in more revenue, and thus they can pay more.... right? So what's your claim?

The employees at McDonald's in Norway have to pay back 80% of what they get paid in taxes. Think on that!
The mechanics who work on Lexus and Cadillac cars get paid more for the same reason mechanics who work on Ferraris and Lamborghinis get paid more.
THINK!
These are extremely highly trained mechanics working on extremely expensive cars.
THINK!!!!!
I took my vintage Mass. to the dealership recently for it's annual checkup/service.
The car is literally bullet proof. The labor to do a thorough checkup was $160 an hour for three hours.
I'm more than happy to pay highly trained mechanics to even put a hand on my car.
I watched through the window as the mechanics went over the car. Two of them in pristine white overalls. You could literally eat off the floor.
Four pages of checkmarks.

Norway McDonald's Employees pay 80% of their pay checks in taxes? Really? 80%? So Norway has a massive entirely regressive tax system, that penalizes the low-wage workers at 80%, but rewards the high-wage workers with 39% tax rates?

Why do you want to emulate them?

View attachment 73262

Top marginal tax rates in Norway... INCLUDING ALL PAYROLL TAX..... is only 39%.

You are telling me the McDonald's worker in Norway is paying 80%, while Corporate CEOs Norway are only taxed at 39%? Really?

Are did you just fart out of your butt all over the forums just now?

Don't say anything about the cost of living in Norway....



It would fuck up your argument huh?



.

No. Claim "McDs workers pay 80% in taxes". Fact "Top marginal rate, including all payroll tax is 39%".

That's pretty much a done argument. Cost of living, doesn't matter much to my response to the claim made.

I would agree that cost of living is higher, but that's because of higher wages. As to how much higher? Um.. maybe 30%?

I would suggest to you that wages and cost of living, are directly related. But not that cost of living, drives up wages, but rather higher wages, drives up cost of living.

 

[beagle9]

Complete and utter bunk. Businesses don't give raises when they have more money, they give raises when they need to do so to retain employees. PERIOD.

And yet.... I've been given a raise. I have no degree, no skills, no abilities whatsoever. I was given a raise. Can you explain that? They could have replaced me with a million people easy. Any idiot could have walked in off the street, and done my job. Why give me a raise?

Why did the airlines in the 1970s and prior, pay their pilots tons of money? Why did airline pilot pay drop after deregulation, when ticket prices fell. Did they need to keep pilots in the 1970s, and magically not have any need to keep them in the 1990s?

Why do McDonald's in Norway pay their employees $15/hour, when there is no minimum wage at all? Can't be because they charge $16 for a burger, and thus have the money to pay more.... right? So what's your answer?

Why do Cadillac, and Lexus dealerships pay their mechanics way more than Chevy and Ford Dealers? Couldn't be because those cars bring in more revenue, and thus they can pay more.... right? So what's your claim?

The employees at McDonald's in Norway have to pay back 80% of what they get paid in taxes. Think on that!
The mechanics who work on Lexus and Cadillac cars get paid more for the same reason mechanics who work on Ferraris and Lamborghinis get paid more.
THINK!
These are extremely highly trained mechanics working on extremely expensive cars.
THINK!!!!!
I took my vintage Mass. to the dealership recently for it's annual checkup/service.
The car is literally bullet proof. The labor to do a thorough checkup was $160 an hour for three hours.
I'm more than happy to pay highly trained mechanics to even put a hand on my car.
I watched through the window as the mechanics went over the car. Two of them in pristine white overalls. You could literally eat off the floor.
Four pages of checkmarks.

Norway McDonald's Employees pay 80% of their pay checks in taxes? Really? 80%? So Norway has a massive entirely regressive tax system, that penalizes the low-wage workers at 80%, but rewards the high-wage workers with 39% tax rates?

Why do you want to emulate them?

View attachment 73262

Top marginal tax rates in Norway... INCLUDING ALL PAYROLL TAX..... is only 39%.

You are telling me the McDonald's worker in Norway is paying 80%, while Corporate CEOs Norway are only taxed at 39%? Really?

Are did you just fart out of your butt all over the forums just now?

Don't say anything about the cost of living in Norway....



It would fuck up your argument huh?



.

No. Claim "McDs workers pay 80% in taxes". Fact "Top marginal rate, including all payroll tax is 39%".

That's pretty much a done argument. Cost of living, doesn't matter much to my response to the claim made.

I would agree that cost of living is higher, but that's because of higher wages. As to how much higher? Um.. maybe 30%?

I would suggest to you that wages and cost of living, are directly related. But not that cost of living, drives up wages, but rather higher wages, drives up cost of living.

. What ? So the cost of living goes up, and therefore the wages will be adjusted or related to the cost of living ? How so, and why ? Companies are or should be independent of anything related to the cost of living that is going on outside of their control, and the government suggesting to them that they should pay a minimum wage of $15.00 dollars an hour as if they are all joined at the hip is ridiculous. What part of independent does this nation not understand anymore ?

 

[Andylusion]

And yet.... I've been given a raise. I have no degree, no skills, no abilities whatsoever. I was given a raise. Can you explain that? They could have replaced me with a million people easy. Any idiot could have walked in off the street, and done my job. Why give me a raise?

Why did the airlines in the 1970s and prior, pay their pilots tons of money? Why did airline pilot pay drop after deregulation, when ticket prices fell. Did they need to keep pilots in the 1970s, and magically not have any need to keep them in the 1990s?

Why do McDonald's in Norway pay their employees $15/hour, when there is no minimum wage at all? Can't be because they charge $16 for a burger, and thus have the money to pay more.... right? So what's your answer?

Why do Cadillac, and Lexus dealerships pay their mechanics way more than Chevy and Ford Dealers? Couldn't be because those cars bring in more revenue, and thus they can pay more.... right? So what's your claim?

The employees at McDonald's in Norway have to pay back 80% of what they get paid in taxes. Think on that!
The mechanics who work on Lexus and Cadillac cars get paid more for the same reason mechanics who work on Ferraris and Lamborghinis get paid more.
THINK!
These are extremely highly trained mechanics working on extremely expensive cars.
THINK!!!!!
I took my vintage Mass. to the dealership recently for it's annual checkup/service.
The car is literally bullet proof. The labor to do a thorough checkup was $160 an hour for three hours.
I'm more than happy to pay highly trained mechanics to even put a hand on my car.
I watched through the window as the mechanics went over the car. Two of them in pristine white overalls. You could literally eat off the floor.
Four pages of checkmarks.

Norway McDonald's Employees pay 80% of their pay checks in taxes? Really? 80%? So Norway has a massive entirely regressive tax system, that penalizes the low-wage workers at 80%, but rewards the high-wage workers with 39% tax rates?

Why do you want to emulate them?

View attachment 73262

Top marginal tax rates in Norway... INCLUDING ALL PAYROLL TAX..... is only 39%.

You are telling me the McDonald's worker in Norway is paying 80%, while Corporate CEOs Norway are only taxed at 39%? Really?

Are did you just fart out of your butt all over the forums just now?

Don't say anything about the cost of living in Norway....



It would fuck up your argument huh?



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No. Claim "McDs workers pay 80% in taxes". Fact "Top marginal rate, including all payroll tax is 39%".

That's pretty much a done argument. Cost of living, doesn't matter much to my response to the claim made.

I would agree that cost of living is higher, but that's because of higher wages. As to how much higher? Um.. maybe 30%?

I would suggest to you that wages and cost of living, are directly related. But not that cost of living, drives up wages, but rather higher wages, drives up cost of living.

. What ? So the cost of living goes up, and therefore the wages will be adjusted or related to the cost of living ? How so, and why ? Companies are or should be independent of anything related to the cost of living that is going on outside of their control, and the government suggesting to them that they should pay a minimum wage of $15.00 dollars an hour as if they are all joined at the hip is ridiculous. What part of independent does this nation not understand anymore ?

I would suggest wages do not increase to meet the cost of living. No employer is looking at the inflation index every morning, to determine if he should raise wages.

Wages increasing is the CAUSE the cost of living to go up. Wages are a cause of inflation. Not inflation a cause of wages.

The reason wages are higher in Norway, is simply because the supply of low-wage workers is low. Nothing to do with cost of living.

 

[beagle9]

The employees at McDonald's in Norway have to pay back 80% of what they get paid in taxes. Think on that!
The mechanics who work on Lexus and Cadillac cars get paid more for the same reason mechanics who work on Ferraris and Lamborghinis get paid more.
THINK!
These are extremely highly trained mechanics working on extremely expensive cars.
THINK!!!!!
I took my vintage Mass. to the dealership recently for it's annual checkup/service.
The car is literally bullet proof. The labor to do a thorough checkup was $160 an hour for three hours.
I'm more than happy to pay highly trained mechanics to even put a hand on my car.
I watched through the window as the mechanics went over the car. Two of them in pristine white overalls. You could literally eat off the floor.
Four pages of checkmarks.

Norway McDonald's Employees pay 80% of their pay checks in taxes? Really? 80%? So Norway has a massive entirely regressive tax system, that penalizes the low-wage workers at 80%, but rewards the high-wage workers with 39% tax rates?

Why do you want to emulate them?

View attachment 73262

Top marginal tax rates in Norway... INCLUDING ALL PAYROLL TAX..... is only 39%.

You are telling me the McDonald's worker in Norway is paying 80%, while Corporate CEOs Norway are only taxed at 39%? Really?

Are did you just fart out of your butt all over the forums just now?

Don't say anything about the cost of living in Norway....



It would fuck up your argument huh?



.

No. Claim "McDs workers pay 80% in taxes". Fact "Top marginal rate, including all payroll tax is 39%".

That's pretty much a done argument. Cost of living, doesn't matter much to my response to the claim made.

I would agree that cost of living is higher, but that's because of higher wages. As to how much higher? Um.. maybe 30%?

I would suggest to you that wages and cost of living, are directly related. But not that cost of living, drives up wages, but rather higher wages, drives up cost of living.

. What ? So the cost of living goes up, and therefore the wages will be adjusted or related to the cost of living ? How so, and why ? Companies are or should be independent of anything related to the cost of living that is going on outside of their control, and the government suggesting to them that they should pay a minimum wage of $15.00 dollars an hour as if they are all joined at the hip is ridiculous. What part of independent does this nation not understand anymore ?

I would suggest wages do not increase to meet the cost of living. No employer is looking at the inflation index every morning, to determine if he should raise wages.

Wages increasing is the CAUSE the cost of living to go up. Wages are a cause of inflation. Not inflation a cause of wages.

The reason wages are higher in Norway, is simply because the supply of low-wage workers is low. Nothing to do with cost of living.

. None of this should be tied together in concerning individual companies, and the trying to tell them what to do as if they are equal somehow. Every company should be a stand alone company. The feds know all companies are not equal, so why is it asking them to pay a minimum wage as sanctioned by the government at $15.00 and hour ?

 

[dannyboys]

Norway McDonald's Employees pay 80% of their pay checks in taxes? Really? 80%? So Norway has a massive entirely regressive tax system, that penalizes the low-wage workers at 80%, but rewards the high-wage workers with 39% tax rates?

Why do you want to emulate them?

View attachment 73262

Top marginal tax rates in Norway... INCLUDING ALL PAYROLL TAX..... is only 39%.

You are telling me the McDonald's worker in Norway is paying 80%, while Corporate CEOs Norway are only taxed at 39%? Really?

Are did you just fart out of your butt all over the forums just now?

Don't say anything about the cost of living in Norway....



It would fuck up your argument huh?



.

No. Claim "McDs workers pay 80% in taxes". Fact "Top marginal rate, including all payroll tax is 39%".

That's pretty much a done argument. Cost of living, doesn't matter much to my response to the claim made.

I would agree that cost of living is higher, but that's because of higher wages. As to how much higher? Um.. maybe 30%?

I would suggest to you that wages and cost of living, are directly related. But not that cost of living, drives up wages, but rather higher wages, drives up cost of living.

. What ? So the cost of living goes up, and therefore the wages will be adjusted or related to the cost of living ? How so, and why ? Companies are or should be independent of anything related to the cost of living that is going on outside of their control, and the government suggesting to them that they should pay a minimum wage of $15.00 dollars an hour as if they are all joined at the hip is ridiculous. What part of independent does this nation not understand anymore ?

I would suggest wages do not increase to meet the cost of living. No employer is looking at the inflation index every morning, to determine if he should raise wages.

Wages increasing is the CAUSE the cost of living to go up. Wages are a cause of inflation. Not inflation a cause of wages.

The reason wages are higher in Norway, is simply because the supply of low-wage workers is low. Nothing to do with cost of living.

. None of this should be tied together in concerning individual companies, and the trying to tell them what to do as if they are equal somehow. Every company should be a stand alone company. The feds know all companies are not equal, so why is it asking them to pay a minimum wage as sanctioned by the government at $15.00 and hour ?

Because they are basically 100% Socialist leaning from the President down to the fucking clerk at DMV.
'Success' is a very dirty word in the world of a Socialist. Companies who in spite of the fucking government are successful are ALWAYS number one on the big government radar.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Norway McDonald's Employees pay 80% of their pay checks in taxes? Really? 80%? So Norway has a massive entirely regressive tax system, that penalizes the low-wage workers at 80%, but rewards the high-wage workers with 39% tax rates?

Why do you want to emulate them?

View attachment 73262

Top marginal tax rates in Norway... INCLUDING ALL PAYROLL TAX..... is only 39%.

You are telling me the McDonald's worker in Norway is paying 80%, while Corporate CEOs Norway are only taxed at 39%? Really?

Are did you just fart out of your butt all over the forums just now?

Don't say anything about the cost of living in Norway....



It would fuck up your argument huh?



.

No. Claim "McDs workers pay 80% in taxes". Fact "Top marginal rate, including all payroll tax is 39%".

That's pretty much a done argument. Cost of living, doesn't matter much to my response to the claim made.

I would agree that cost of living is higher, but that's because of higher wages. As to how much higher? Um.. maybe 30%?

I would suggest to you that wages and cost of living, are directly related. But not that cost of living, drives up wages, but rather higher wages, drives up cost of living.

. What ? So the cost of living goes up, and therefore the wages will be adjusted or related to the cost of living ? How so, and why ? Companies are or should be independent of anything related to the cost of living that is going on outside of their control, and the government suggesting to them that they should pay a minimum wage of $15.00 dollars an hour as if they are all joined at the hip is ridiculous. What part of independent does this nation not understand anymore ?

I would suggest wages do not increase to meet the cost of living. No employer is looking at the inflation index every morning, to determine if he should raise wages.

Wages increasing is the CAUSE the cost of living to go up. Wages are a cause of inflation. Not inflation a cause of wages.

The reason wages are higher in Norway, is simply because the supply of low-wage workers is low. Nothing to do with cost of living.

. None of this should be tied together in concerning individual companies, and the trying to tell them what to do as if they are equal somehow. Every company should be a stand alone company. The feds know all companies are not equal, so why is it asking them to pay a minimum wage as sanctioned by the government at $15.00 and hour ?

You DO realize that there has NOT been a proposal to raise the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour, don't you? I mean not even Bernie Sanders has tried to pass a $15 an hour min wage law.

 

[beagle9]

Don't say anything about the cost of living in Norway....



It would fuck up your argument huh?



.

No. Claim "McDs workers pay 80% in taxes". Fact "Top marginal rate, including all payroll tax is 39%".

That's pretty much a done argument. Cost of living, doesn't matter much to my response to the claim made.

I would agree that cost of living is higher, but that's because of higher wages. As to how much higher? Um.. maybe 30%?

I would suggest to you that wages and cost of living, are directly related. But not that cost of living, drives up wages, but rather higher wages, drives up cost of living.

. What ? So the cost of living goes up, and therefore the wages will be adjusted or related to the cost of living ? How so, and why ? Companies are or should be independent of anything related to the cost of living that is going on outside of their control, and the government suggesting to them that they should pay a minimum wage of $15.00 dollars an hour as if they are all joined at the hip is ridiculous. What part of independent does this nation not understand anymore ?

I would suggest wages do not increase to meet the cost of living. No employer is looking at the inflation index every morning, to determine if he should raise wages.

Wages increasing is the CAUSE the cost of living to go up. Wages are a cause of inflation. Not inflation a cause of wages.

The reason wages are higher in Norway, is simply because the supply of low-wage workers is low. Nothing to do with cost of living.

. None of this should be tied together in concerning individual companies, and the trying to tell them what to do as if they are equal somehow. Every company should be a stand alone company. The feds know all companies are not equal, so why is it asking them to pay a minimum wage as sanctioned by the government at $15.00 and hour ?

You DO realize that there has NOT been a proposal to raise the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour, don't you? I mean not even Bernie Sanders has tried to pass a $15 an hour min wage law.

. Well where did the number and issue arise from ?

 

[Andylusion]

Norway McDonald's Employees pay 80% of their pay checks in taxes? Really? 80%? So Norway has a massive entirely regressive tax system, that penalizes the low-wage workers at 80%, but rewards the high-wage workers with 39% tax rates?

Why do you want to emulate them?

View attachment 73262

Top marginal tax rates in Norway... INCLUDING ALL PAYROLL TAX..... is only 39%.

You are telling me the McDonald's worker in Norway is paying 80%, while Corporate CEOs Norway are only taxed at 39%? Really?

Are did you just fart out of your butt all over the forums just now?

Don't say anything about the cost of living in Norway....



It would fuck up your argument huh?



.

No. Claim "McDs workers pay 80% in taxes". Fact "Top marginal rate, including all payroll tax is 39%".

That's pretty much a done argument. Cost of living, doesn't matter much to my response to the claim made.

I would agree that cost of living is higher, but that's because of higher wages. As to how much higher? Um.. maybe 30%?

I would suggest to you that wages and cost of living, are directly related. But not that cost of living, drives up wages, but rather higher wages, drives up cost of living.

. What ? So the cost of living goes up, and therefore the wages will be adjusted or related to the cost of living ? How so, and why ? Companies are or should be independent of anything related to the cost of living that is going on outside of their control, and the government suggesting to them that they should pay a minimum wage of $15.00 dollars an hour as if they are all joined at the hip is ridiculous. What part of independent does this nation not understand anymore ?

I would suggest wages do not increase to meet the cost of living. No employer is looking at the inflation index every morning, to determine if he should raise wages.

Wages increasing is the CAUSE the cost of living to go up. Wages are a cause of inflation. Not inflation a cause of wages.

The reason wages are higher in Norway, is simply because the supply of low-wage workers is low. Nothing to do with cost of living.

. None of this should be tied together in concerning individual companies, and the trying to tell them what to do as if they are equal somehow. Every company should be a stand alone company. The feds know all companies are not equal, so why is it asking them to pay a minimum wage as sanctioned by the government at $15.00 and hour ?

I'm against there being any minimum wage. What you are saying, I agree with. The only thing that I was disagree with, was the idea that minimum wage should only be for 6 months, and then people should be moved up the corporate ladder.

 

[beagle9]

Don't say anything about the cost of living in Norway....



It would fuck up your argument huh?



.

No. Claim "McDs workers pay 80% in taxes". Fact "Top marginal rate, including all payroll tax is 39%".

That's pretty much a done argument. Cost of living, doesn't matter much to my response to the claim made.

I would agree that cost of living is higher, but that's because of higher wages. As to how much higher? Um.. maybe 30%?

I would suggest to you that wages and cost of living, are directly related. But not that cost of living, drives up wages, but rather higher wages, drives up cost of living.

. What ? So the cost of living goes up, and therefore the wages will be adjusted or related to the cost of living ? How so, and why ? Companies are or should be independent of anything related to the cost of living that is going on outside of their control, and the government suggesting to them that they should pay a minimum wage of $15.00 dollars an hour as if they are all joined at the hip is ridiculous. What part of independent does this nation not understand anymore ?

I would suggest wages do not increase to meet the cost of living. No employer is looking at the inflation index every morning, to determine if he should raise wages.

Wages increasing is the CAUSE the cost of living to go up. Wages are a cause of inflation. Not inflation a cause of wages.

The reason wages are higher in Norway, is simply because the supply of low-wage workers is low. Nothing to do with cost of living.

. None of this should be tied together in concerning individual companies, and the trying to tell them what to do as if they are equal somehow. Every company should be a stand alone company. The feds know all companies are not equal, so why is it asking them to pay a minimum wage as sanctioned by the government at $15.00 and hour ?

I'm against there being any minimum wage. What you are saying, I agree with. The only thing that I was disagree with, was the idea that minimum wage should only be for 6 months, and then people should be moved up the corporate ladder.

. Well there is nothing wrong with an entrance pay in which meets a minimal standard for young folks to not be taken advantage of when entering the workforce, but the wage should be no more than a training wage that drops no lower than 8.50 an hour. If a company can't meet a standardized entrance pay of at least $8.50 an hour, then why are they in business to begin with ? Most if not all companies could honor such a wage as this, and if they can't their pond scum. Undoubtedly there has been abuse found in exploiting people in the past, so the government as in we the people set forth to have a standard set that would be adjusted over time to keep pace with changing economic times. $15.00 is nice, but in my opinion it is to much for an entrance pay where as the person has to have an incentive to move ahead in job & in life.

 

[Andylusion]

No. Claim "McDs workers pay 80% in taxes". Fact "Top marginal rate, including all payroll tax is 39%".

That's pretty much a done argument. Cost of living, doesn't matter much to my response to the claim made.

I would agree that cost of living is higher, but that's because of higher wages. As to how much higher? Um.. maybe 30%?

I would suggest to you that wages and cost of living, are directly related. But not that cost of living, drives up wages, but rather higher wages, drives up cost of living.

. What ? So the cost of living goes up, and therefore the wages will be adjusted or related to the cost of living ? How so, and why ? Companies are or should be independent of anything related to the cost of living that is going on outside of their control, and the government suggesting to them that they should pay a minimum wage of $15.00 dollars an hour as if they are all joined at the hip is ridiculous. What part of independent does this nation not understand anymore ?

I would suggest wages do not increase to meet the cost of living. No employer is looking at the inflation index every morning, to determine if he should raise wages.

Wages increasing is the CAUSE the cost of living to go up. Wages are a cause of inflation. Not inflation a cause of wages.

The reason wages are higher in Norway, is simply because the supply of low-wage workers is low. Nothing to do with cost of living.

. None of this should be tied together in concerning individual companies, and the trying to tell them what to do as if they are equal somehow. Every company should be a stand alone company. The feds know all companies are not equal, so why is it asking them to pay a minimum wage as sanctioned by the government at $15.00 and hour ?

I'm against there being any minimum wage. What you are saying, I agree with. The only thing that I was disagree with, was the idea that minimum wage should only be for 6 months, and then people should be moved up the corporate ladder.

. Well there is nothing wrong with an entrance pay in which meets a minimal standard for young folks to not be taken advantage of when entering the workforce, but the wage should be no more than a training wage that drops no lower than 8.50 an hour. If a company can't meet a standardized entrance pay of at least $8.50 an hour, then why are they in business to begin with ? Most if not all companies could honor such a wage as this, and if they can't their pond scum. Undoubtedly there has been abuse found in exploiting people in the past, so the government as in we the people set forth to have a standard set that would be adjusted over time to keep pace with changing economic times. $15.00 is nice, but in my opinion it is to much for an entrance pay where as the person has to have an incentive to move ahead in job & in life.

No, I don't think most companies could meet such a wage. I really don't. You are assuming a lot.

Why are then in business? Because they want to run their own business. That's why. What kind of question is that? I don't get it.

So the only reason I should ever start my own business is if I can pay someone else $8.50 an hour to start? You do realize that most businesses are started on less than $5,000 cash... right?

You do realize that if you made that a rule, that millions of people would be unemployed earning zero.... right?

The bottom line is that there are many jobs that do not, and can not pay $8.50 an hour. I can't pay you more money in wages, than you bring in, in revenue. If you only bring in $17,000 a year in revenue... I can't pay you $17,000 in wages. Actually you have to bring in tons more in revenue than $17,000, for me to pay you $17,000. I have to pay taxes, and unemployment comp, and benefits. Plus I have to pay for the overhead. Plus I have to pay for the cost-of-goods-sold.

And on top of all that, I have to make some sort of profit off of your labor. If I don't, then I would be better off to not have you as an employee.

So this idea that any business should magically be able to afford $8.50 as an entry wage.... That'd be great, but it's not reality for many businesses. Let alone automatically paying more after some set period of time.

 

[beagle9]

. What ? So the cost of living goes up, and therefore the wages will be adjusted or related to the cost of living ? How so, and why ? Companies are or should be independent of anything related to the cost of living that is going on outside of their control, and the government suggesting to them that they should pay a minimum wage of $15.00 dollars an hour as if they are all joined at the hip is ridiculous. What part of independent does this nation not understand anymore ?

I would suggest wages do not increase to meet the cost of living. No employer is looking at the inflation index every morning, to determine if he should raise wages.

Wages increasing is the CAUSE the cost of living to go up. Wages are a cause of inflation. Not inflation a cause of wages.

The reason wages are higher in Norway, is simply because the supply of low-wage workers is low. Nothing to do with cost of living.

. None of this should be tied together in concerning individual companies, and the trying to tell them what to do as if they are equal somehow. Every company should be a stand alone company. The feds know all companies are not equal, so why is it asking them to pay a minimum wage as sanctioned by the government at $15.00 and hour ?

I'm against there being any minimum wage. What you are saying, I agree with. The only thing that I was disagree with, was the idea that minimum wage should only be for 6 months, and then people should be moved up the corporate ladder.

. Well there is nothing wrong with an entrance pay in which meets a minimal standard for young folks to not be taken advantage of when entering the workforce, but the wage should be no more than a training wage that drops no lower than 8.50 an hour. If a company can't meet a standardized entrance pay of at least $8.50 an hour, then why are they in business to begin with ? Most if not all companies could honor such a wage as this, and if they can't their pond scum. Undoubtedly there has been abuse found in exploiting people in the past, so the government as in we the people set forth to have a standard set that would be adjusted over time to keep pace with changing economic times. $15.00 is nice, but in my opinion it is to much for an entrance pay where as the person has to have an incentive to move ahead in job & in life.

No, I don't think most companies could meet such a wage. I really don't. You are assuming a lot.

Why are then in business? Because they want to run their own business. That's why. What kind of question is that? I don't get it.

So the only reason I should ever start my own business is if I can pay someone else $8.50 an hour to start? You do realize that most businesses are started on less than $5,000 cash... right?

You do realize that if you made that a rule, that millions of people would be unemployed earning zero.... right?

The bottom line is that there are many jobs that do not, and can not pay $8.50 an hour. I can't pay you more money in wages, than you bring in, in revenue. If you only bring in $17,000 a year in revenue... I can't pay you $17,000 in wages. Actually you have to bring in tons more in revenue than $17,000, for me to pay you $17,000. I have to pay taxes, and unemployment comp, and benefits. Plus I have to pay for the overhead. Plus I have to pay for the cost-of-goods-sold.

And on top of all that, I have to make some sort of profit off of your labor. If I don't, then I would be better off to not have you as an employee.

So this idea that any business should magically be able to afford $8.50 as an entry wage.... That'd be great, but it's not reality for many businesses. Let alone automatically paying more after some set period of time.

. I respectfully disagree... Here is what's funny IMO of the recent drive by KFC, Taco Bell, Burger King and others who have lost customers by the thousands over the years. They think it's because of their menu's changing or the discontinuience of a product that has done this. That's not it at all.... It's because they were somehow convinced by government that they need to give every applicant a chance in life, and so they relaxed their quality standards, and began hiring anybody and everybody to work for them. Well do you think the customers didn't take note of this when their orders weren't right anymore or when they would see no hair nets and bad hygene habbits in these workers that began working in these places ? Enough is enough they had figured, and so they began taking their business elsewhere. The corporation gambled on having corporate row insulated from the exodus, but they have learned that they didn't, and now their trying these add campaigns that are saying things like we're bringing back the burritto or in the case of KFC, the're bringing back quality control on how the chicken is being cooked, but not on who is doing the cooking or serving ? LOL. Too funny they are, and so clueless as to why their customers left to begin with. You see this is the problem with corporate thinking, where as once they win the nation over, then it's let's see just how far we can take these idiots, and rack it up for us and our shareholders. Then when they ride that train into the ground, they come up with these add campaigns that doesn't address the real problems they have in which is the quality of service they offer along with their products. Chic-filet is one of thee most successful ff place out there lately, and the other idiots could learn a thing or two if they would pay attention.

 

[beagle9]

. What ? So the cost of living goes up, and therefore the wages will be adjusted or related to the cost of living ? How so, and why ? Companies are or should be independent of anything related to the cost of living that is going on outside of their control, and the government suggesting to them that they should pay a minimum wage of $15.00 dollars an hour as if they are all joined at the hip is ridiculous. What part of independent does this nation not understand anymore ?

I would suggest wages do not increase to meet the cost of living. No employer is looking at the inflation index every morning, to determine if he should raise wages.

Wages increasing is the CAUSE the cost of living to go up. Wages are a cause of inflation. Not inflation a cause of wages.

The reason wages are higher in Norway, is simply because the supply of low-wage workers is low. Nothing to do with cost of living.

. None of this should be tied together in concerning individual companies, and the trying to tell them what to do as if they are equal somehow. Every company should be a stand alone company. The feds know all companies are not equal, so why is it asking them to pay a minimum wage as sanctioned by the government at $15.00 and hour ?

I'm against there being any minimum wage. What you are saying, I agree with. The only thing that I was disagree with, was the idea that minimum wage should only be for 6 months, and then people should be moved up the corporate ladder.

. Well there is nothing wrong with an entrance pay in which meets a minimal standard for young folks to not be taken advantage of when entering the workforce, but the wage should be no more than a training wage that drops no lower than 8.50 an hour. If a company can't meet a standardized entrance pay of at least $8.50 an hour, then why are they in business to begin with ? Most if not all companies could honor such a wage as this, and if they can't their pond scum. Undoubtedly there has been abuse found in exploiting people in the past, so the government as in we the people set forth to have a standard set that would be adjusted over time to keep pace with changing economic times. $15.00 is nice, but in my opinion it is to much for an entrance pay where as the person has to have an incentive to move ahead in job & in life.

No, I don't think most companies could meet such a wage. I really don't. You are assuming a lot.

Why are then in business? Because they want to run their own business. That's why. What kind of question is that? I don't get it.

So the only reason I should ever start my own business is if I can pay someone else $8.50 an hour to start? You do realize that most businesses are started on less than $5,000 cash... right?

You do realize that if you made that a rule, that millions of people would be unemployed earning zero.... right?

The bottom line is that there are many jobs that do not, and can not pay $8.50 an hour. I can't pay you more money in wages, than you bring in, in revenue. If you only bring in $17,000 a year in revenue... I can't pay you $17,000 in wages. Actually you have to bring in tons more in revenue than $17,000, for me to pay you $17,000. I have to pay taxes, and unemployment comp, and benefits. Plus I have to pay for the overhead. Plus I have to pay for the cost-of-goods-sold.

And on top of all that, I have to make some sort of profit off of your labor. If I don't, then I would be better off to not have you as an employee.

So this idea that any business should magically be able to afford $8.50 as an entry wage.... That'd be great, but it's not reality for many businesses. Let alone automatically paying more after some set period of time.

. If can't pay the entrance pay, then get your fat lazy brother & law off of the couch to work for you for nothing until you can afford to pay employee's to work for you. LOL.

 

[Andylusion]

I would suggest wages do not increase to meet the cost of living. No employer is looking at the inflation index every morning, to determine if he should raise wages.

Wages increasing is the CAUSE the cost of living to go up. Wages are a cause of inflation. Not inflation a cause of wages.

The reason wages are higher in Norway, is simply because the supply of low-wage workers is low. Nothing to do with cost of living.

. None of this should be tied together in concerning individual companies, and the trying to tell them what to do as if they are equal somehow. Every company should be a stand alone company. The feds know all companies are not equal, so why is it asking them to pay a minimum wage as sanctioned by the government at $15.00 and hour ?

I'm against there being any minimum wage. What you are saying, I agree with. The only thing that I was disagree with, was the idea that minimum wage should only be for 6 months, and then people should be moved up the corporate ladder.

. Well there is nothing wrong with an entrance pay in which meets a minimal standard for young folks to not be taken advantage of when entering the workforce, but the wage should be no more than a training wage that drops no lower than 8.50 an hour. If a company can't meet a standardized entrance pay of at least $8.50 an hour, then why are they in business to begin with ? Most if not all companies could honor such a wage as this, and if they can't their pond scum. Undoubtedly there has been abuse found in exploiting people in the past, so the government as in we the people set forth to have a standard set that would be adjusted over time to keep pace with changing economic times. $15.00 is nice, but in my opinion it is to much for an entrance pay where as the person has to have an incentive to move ahead in job & in life.

No, I don't think most companies could meet such a wage. I really don't. You are assuming a lot.

Why are then in business? Because they want to run their own business. That's why. What kind of question is that? I don't get it.

So the only reason I should ever start my own business is if I can pay someone else $8.50 an hour to start? You do realize that most businesses are started on less than $5,000 cash... right?

You do realize that if you made that a rule, that millions of people would be unemployed earning zero.... right?

The bottom line is that there are many jobs that do not, and can not pay $8.50 an hour. I can't pay you more money in wages, than you bring in, in revenue. If you only bring in $17,000 a year in revenue... I can't pay you $17,000 in wages. Actually you have to bring in tons more in revenue than $17,000, for me to pay you $17,000. I have to pay taxes, and unemployment comp, and benefits. Plus I have to pay for the overhead. Plus I have to pay for the cost-of-goods-sold.

And on top of all that, I have to make some sort of profit off of your labor. If I don't, then I would be better off to not have you as an employee.

So this idea that any business should magically be able to afford $8.50 as an entry wage.... That'd be great, but it's not reality for many businesses. Let alone automatically paying more after some set period of time.

. If can't pay the entrance pay, then get your fat lazy brother & law off of the couch to work for you for nothing until you can afford to pay employee's to work for you. LOL.

My brother in law... is a Iraq Veteran. He's a brick wall. If he's at home, he's either fixing something, or making something. The only time I have EVER seen him on a couch is, when he's curled up with his wife.

I'm the lazy one honestly.

Anywho... if you can do that, what you say... great. I still thing you are making a drastic judgement on other people.

There was a book store owner in the news, which closed down because the minimum wage went up. The owner said that his take home pay from the prior year was $30,000. He only had a few employees... but he can't pay them more. He's only making $10K more than they are.

But he can't run the whole store himself either. So if some high school student is willing to stock book shelves for minimum wage, while he runs the cash register.... why not? But there is no corporate ladder that he can promote this guy to. There is no ladder. He can't pay someone more, if he wanted to. What position is there above floor stock? Cashier? The owner IS the cashier.

There is no magic "move up" position in every business.