This is a DISGRACE!!!!!!!!

[Sallow]

A few months ago I heard about people that were dancing in monuments in DC and getting arrested. I didn't think anything of it until I came across this video. This is sickening. I wonder how modern America would have tolerated the protests of the 60's?


Kissing in Public Brutal Arrest May 28th 2011 Raw Video (Plz Share) - YouTube

Un-fucking-real.

 

[Sallow]

We had a thread on this.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...d-others-arrested-and-abused-for-dancing.html

I don't recall if I made this point in that thread or not, but I'll make it here. The cops might have been justified had they been dancing at the Lincoln Memorial. Lincoln certainly violated enough freedoms during his reign that stifling the freedom of expression at his memorial almost makes sense. But Thomas Jefferson?

I just don't get it Kevin.

Why stir up trouble for the sake of stirring up trouble.

It's silly.

I can understand protesting the war in Iraq...I don't agree, but I definitely understand.

But protesting the refusal of The Man to allow you to get yo dance on...c'mon now.

liberalism is a mental disorder

What if they were preaching from the bible?

Would it be okay to arrest them then?

That's our memorial..paid for with our tax dollars.

As long as they aren't hurting anyone..they have the right to free expression.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I just don't get it Kevin.

Why stir up trouble for the sake of stirring up trouble.

It's silly.

I can understand protesting the war in Iraq...I don't agree, but I definitely understand.

But protesting the refusal of The Man to allow you to get yo dance on...c'mon now.

Civil Disobedience is SOOOOO evil....as were David Henry Thoreau, Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr.

I'm not opposed to civil disobedience to champion a worthy cause...even if it's a cause I don't agree with.

But this is silly and stupid...these spoiled brats are not being oppressed.

Comparing this nonsense to Gandhi and King cheapens their monumental contributions to combating real oppression.

Well what constitutes a "worthy" cause, and who gets to decide what is "worthy?" I support any civil disobedience that challenges laws that are oppressive, and yes, suppressing people's right to expression is oppressive. The government has no right to tell us how we should recognize or celebrate Thomas Jefferson's legacy at his publicly funded temple.

 

[flacaltenn]

We had a thread on this.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...d-others-arrested-and-abused-for-dancing.html

I don't recall if I made this point in that thread or not, but I'll make it here. The cops might have been justified had they been dancing at the Lincoln Memorial. Lincoln certainly violated enough freedoms during his reign that stifling the freedom of expression at his memorial almost makes sense. But Thomas Jefferson?

I just don't get it Kevin.

Why stir up trouble for the sake of stirring up trouble.

It's silly.

I can understand protesting the war in Iraq...I don't agree, but I definitely understand.

But protesting the refusal of The Man to allow you to get yo dance on...c'mon now.

Civil Disobedience is SOOOOO evil....as were David Henry Thoreau, Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr.

Yup.. You don't really need an excuse to excersize freedom.. And the only motivation you need to DEFEND freedoms is the knowledge that the police WILL over-react to your excersize.

I'm just completely amazed --- given the recent national court cases -- that the cops ALLOWED the VIDEO to get out.. Which is another infringement of freedom that I hope some folks will push back on as well..

As far as behaviour at National Monuments go -- I'm sure political rallies with Rock/Roll music blaring and epithets being screamed are more offensive than a couple dancing on the marble floor. My gosh -- if my 5 yr old daughter decided to break-dance at the Jefferson Mem. would they mace and cuff HER as well??

My choice would be to feel UPLIFTED and CELEBRATE. Maybe break out into a fine Virginia Line Dance that Old Thomas would recognize.. Think he'd mind that?

 

[shintao]

We had a thread on this.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...d-others-arrested-and-abused-for-dancing.html

I don't recall if I made this point in that thread or not, but I'll make it here. The cops might have been justified had they been dancing at the Lincoln Memorial. Lincoln certainly violated enough freedoms during his reign that stifling the freedom of expression at his memorial almost makes sense. But Thomas Jefferson?

I just don't get it Kevin.

Why stir up trouble for the sake of stirring up trouble.

It's silly.

I can understand protesting the war in Iraq...I don't agree, but I definitely understand.

But protesting the refusal of The Man to allow you to get yo dance on...c'mon now.

liberalism is a mental disorder

Only in the minds of insane cons.

 

[Missourian]

If you feel like dancing silently...go outside the building.

Oh the humanity.

What a terrible burden and on the lives of so many.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

If you feel like dancing silently...go outside the building.

Oh the humanity.

What a terrible burden and on the lives of so many.

Why should they have to? Maybe those who want to honor Jefferson with quiet introspection should go outside the building? What a terrible burden on the lives of so many that would be.

 

[Tech_Esq]

We had this question on my Criminal Law final. My prof was the chief counsel for the Rainbow Push Coalition (Yes, pity me. And yes, Jesse did come to our class and have us all chanting, "I am SOME body"), but I digress. The question was concerning civil disobedience and whether a person participating in an act of civil disobedience should be punished.

The correct answer is yes, they need to be punished otherwise the act of civil disobedience has no meaning.

This was a set up by people with an agenda. The police had no choice but to enforce the law. The group was bent on forcing them to enforce the law. The group got exactly what they wanted and should get.

This is how we got such stellar legal decisions as Griswold v. Connecticut.

 

[flacaltenn]

Simple solution here. I'm trying to be as objective as my 18th Century Liberal self can be..

POST THE RULES !!!!

No smoking, No spitting, No peeing, No chewing gum, No Singing, No Dancing, No Kissing, No Intercourse during daytime hours. No demonstrations without a D.C. permit, No selling or soliticitation.
No more than 30 escorted children at a time in the monument. No Tee Shirts with offensive messages as defined by D.C. Code 14.6 Sec B, Shoes and Shirts required. No unescorted minors, No pets, No pens, markers, paint or other materials allowed. No guns, No loud music, No cell phone use. No posters, banners or placards.

Let's just stop there.. But I think that posting ALL the rules and not using your JUDGEMENT MUSCLES is gonna dramatically increase the time it takes to tour the monument just reading the fine print..

 

[KissMy]

My Libertarian side believes the Authoritarians have run amok in this country.

 

[Missourian]

I just don't get it Kevin.

Why stir up trouble for the sake of stirring up trouble.

It's silly.

I can understand protesting the war in Iraq...I don't agree, but I definitely understand.

But protesting the refusal of The Man to allow you to get yo dance on...c'mon now.

liberalism is a mental disorder

What if they were preaching from the bible?

Would it be okay to arrest them then?

That's our memorial..paid for with our tax dollars.

As long as they aren't hurting anyone..they have the right to free expression.

And what if it was the Westboro Baptists...and they decided to silently mime the execution of homosexuals?

All day everyday.


Best to keep it all outside IMO.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

liberalism is a mental disorder

What if they were preaching from the bible?

Would it be okay to arrest them then?

That's our memorial..paid for with our tax dollars.

As long as they aren't hurting anyone..they have the right to free expression.

And what if it was the Westboro Baptists...and they decided to silently mime the execution of homosexuals?

All day everyday.


Best to keep it all outside IMO.

I don't know how you would mime that, but they'd have the right to do so. That's the trouble with freedom you have to put up with a lot of crap too. Of course, we could always privatize those temples and none of this would be an issue.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Unjust laws should be broken, and broken on purpose.

a law against dancing in monuments?

seriously, how fucking tyrannical can you get?

I don't know about you but I feel there's a time and place for most everything. These idiots went there for one purpose and that was to A) protest a law and B) cause a disturbance. Had I been there with my grandchildren it would have gotten ugly!

 

[yidnar]

We had a thread on this.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...d-others-arrested-and-abused-for-dancing.html

I don't recall if I made this point in that thread or not, but I'll make it here. The cops might have been justified had they been dancing at the Lincoln Memorial. Lincoln certainly violated enough freedoms during his reign that stifling the freedom of expression at his memorial almost makes sense. But Thomas Jefferson?

I just don't get it Kevin.

Why stir up trouble for the sake of stirring up trouble.

It's silly.

I can understand protesting the war in Iraq...I don't agree, but I definitely understand.

But protesting the refusal of The Man to allow you to get yo dance on...c'mon now.

Civil Disobedience is SOOOOO evil....as were David Henry Thoreau, Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr.

Do you have anything to say that makes any sense??

 

[yidnar]

they should have been locked up for looking stupid!!

 

[flacaltenn]

Tech_Esq:

Civil disobedience is against the law? Of course it is.. That's the disobedience part. They're not arrested for dancing and kissing -- their arrested on charges that have NOTHING TO DO with their act. Your Bud Jesse Jackson was never arrested for demanding human rights was he?

POST THE DAMN RULES -- and watch happens when people get the idea that if it's NOT POSTED -- then it must be OK... Well Gee officer -- the sign in FlaCalTenn's post above didn't say "NO Squirt Guns"....

They lose all sense of judgement and self-control.. But DON'T call it a crime when folks DO use judgement and determine that it's positively OK to celebrate in the way that they see fit..


As for my conservative buds who "don't approve" of other's judgement --- You don't have to APPROVE of other choices to "allow" them to excersize them. That's kinda fundamental to the whole freedom thing that some on left and right don't get..

 

[Tech_Esq]

Simple solution here. I'm trying to be as objective as my 18th Century Liberal self can be..

POST THE RULES !!!!

No smoking, No spitting, No peeing, No chewing gum, No Singing, No Dancing, No Kissing, No Intercourse during daytime hours. No demonstrations without a D.C. permit, No selling or soliticitation.
No more than 30 escorted children at a time in the monument. No Tee Shirts with offensive messages as defined by D.C. Code 14.6 Sec B, Shoes and Shirts required. No unescorted minors, No pets, No pens, markers, paint or other materials allowed. No guns, No loud music, No cell phone use. No posters, banners or placards.

Let's just stop there.. But I think that posting ALL the rules and not using your JUDGEMENT MUSCLES is gonna dramatically increase the time it takes to tour the monument just reading the fine print..

This incident did not happen because people didn't know the rules. It was precisely the opposite. They knew the rules and deliberately violated them to provoke a reaction.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Unjust laws should be broken, and broken on purpose.

a law against dancing in monuments?

seriously, how fucking tyrannical can you get?

I don't know about you but I feel there's a time and place for most everything. These idiots went there for one purpose and that was to A) protest a law and B) cause a disturbance. Had I been there with my grandchildren it would have gotten ugly!

Yeah, I'm sure.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

they should have been locked up for looking stupid!!

Stupid is as stupid does, and "looking stupid" isn't a crime either.

 

[Tech_Esq]

Tech_Esq:

Civil disobedience is against the law? Of course it is.. That's the disobedience part. They're not arrested for dancing and kissing -- their arrested on charges that have NOTHING TO DO with their act. Your Bud Jesse Jackson was never arrested for demanding human rights was he?

POST THE DAMN RULES -- and watch happens when people get the idea that if it's NOT POSTED -- then it must be OK... They lose all sense of judgement and self-control.. But DON'T call it a crime when folks DO use judgement and determine that it's positively OK to celebrate in the way that they see fit..


Well Gee officer -- the sign didn't say "NO Squirt Guns"....

First, let me be perfectly clear, lest you not be jesting.....Jackson is no bud of mine. It's just what happens to you when you end up going to hive of liberalism like the law school I went to.

I can't hear the sound where I am, so maybe you know something I don't. What were they arrested for? I doubt it matters. They were doing something against the rules intending to provoke a response and it did. The actual charge makes little difference to the fact that they are a "martyr" to their cause (not much of one, but it isn't much of a cause either). But, they have offered themselves up to pay the civil fine.