Not2BSubjugated
Callous Individualist
LOLO...if you think for a second, Trump is gonna make it to 4 years without impeachment let alone 8, your buggin my friend. Already this guy has violated so many constitutional morays, the scent of impeachment is already in the air.In a nut shell, Trump will do as Trump pleases and the rest of the world, this country will have to deal with it,....end of subjectACA had difficulty passing because Democrats failed to define and defend it. I remember my congressman coming home to a townhall and actually laughing at the bill, my democratic congressman. So what happened was the GOP was allowed, as always to define ACA, first by calling it Obamacare and then ripping it apart. Another example of the cowards on the left and their lack of conviction and fight.You do have something of a point here. Trump will have to take comfort in the fact that moral authority isn't a legally binding concept as he ignores his lack of a majority mandate and does his thing. You know, kinda like the Democrats took comfort in the fact that over 60 percent of the people being opposed to a bill in the congress is legally meaningless as they ignored their lack of a majority mandate to pass the ACA.
Sorry, but this response in this context is utterly meaningless. The reasons for the public's opinion are irrelevant, only the opinion defines the majority.
I could just as easily argue that Trump didn't win the majority because the MSM mischaracterized the vast majority of the shit they claim he said and assumed the absolute worst motives, even when those motives weren't the only or even the most obvious potential explanations.
You'd probably respond by telling me that I'm incorrect in my assessment, and that those motives -were- obvious, and that the MSM was totally accurate in their accounting of Trump's statements.
And I'd probably respond by reminding you that the vast majority of the MSM is left leaning (if I'm being charitable enough to characterize their political biases with such a soft term) and that, therefore, the democrats had the far greater platform from which to define the ACA, and that you're incorrect in your assessment that it was the republicans who dictated everyone's opinions.
Ultimately, I can't prove Trump's motivations and you can't prove who's responsible for the negative opinions of the ACA, and so these two arguments can't be relied upon to accurately frame the crux of our discussion.
More importantly, they are, as I've said, literally irrelevant to anything either of us has said up to this point. The only two points of relevance are, one, that neither the ACA nor Trump had/has the moral mandate granted by majority support, and, two, that such a moral mandate is legally meaningless, and the extent of its authority is ONLY the extent to which the House and Senate choose to give a shit.
Yeah, pretty much. Same thing everyone does in that office, these days. I'm not necessarily a fan of it, either, but if we manage to get through the next 4-8 years without going to war with Russia, I will be fairly confident that the electoral process turned out the lesser of those two evils.
He's certainly said some things to that effect, but he's yet to attain the actual power to violate the constitution in an impeachable manner. Time will tell. Obama's done a number of highly controversial things as president that many have interpreted as blatant violations of the constitution, and not only was he not impeached, but the actions themselves were rarely even challenged beyond a little public lip service from republicans who ultimately did ZERO to stop him, so it's possible Trump'll make it through a term or two.
That said, the establishment of both sides despises the shit out of the guy (which was possibly the primary selling point for Trump, as far as my vote was concerned), and on top of that, his VP is someone that at least the republican establishment seems to find rather palatable, so I could also see Trump getting impeached on some trumped up charges even if he -doesn't- violate the constitution as president.
If he does do some of the illegal shit that he proposed during the campaign, though, I do expect he'll be held to account for it and sent home so fast that his comb-over spins.