This election will boomerang on Trump voters

[Not2BSubjugated]

You do have something of a point here. Trump will have to take comfort in the fact that moral authority isn't a legally binding concept as he ignores his lack of a majority mandate and does his thing. You know, kinda like the Democrats took comfort in the fact that over 60 percent of the people being opposed to a bill in the congress is legally meaningless as they ignored their lack of a majority mandate to pass the ACA.

ACA had difficulty passing because Democrats failed to define and defend it. I remember my congressman coming home to a townhall and actually laughing at the bill, my democratic congressman. So what happened was the GOP was allowed, as always to define ACA, first by calling it Obamacare and then ripping it apart. Another example of the cowards on the left and their lack of conviction and fight.

Sorry, but this response in this context is utterly meaningless. The reasons for the public's opinion are irrelevant, only the opinion defines the majority.

I could just as easily argue that Trump didn't win the majority because the MSM mischaracterized the vast majority of the shit they claim he said and assumed the absolute worst motives, even when those motives weren't the only or even the most obvious potential explanations.

You'd probably respond by telling me that I'm incorrect in my assessment, and that those motives -were- obvious, and that the MSM was totally accurate in their accounting of Trump's statements.

And I'd probably respond by reminding you that the vast majority of the MSM is left leaning (if I'm being charitable enough to characterize their political biases with such a soft term) and that, therefore, the democrats had the far greater platform from which to define the ACA, and that you're incorrect in your assessment that it was the republicans who dictated everyone's opinions.

Ultimately, I can't prove Trump's motivations and you can't prove who's responsible for the negative opinions of the ACA, and so these two arguments can't be relied upon to accurately frame the crux of our discussion.

More importantly, they are, as I've said, literally irrelevant to anything either of us has said up to this point. The only two points of relevance are, one, that neither the ACA nor Trump had/has the moral mandate granted by majority support, and, two, that such a moral mandate is legally meaningless, and the extent of its authority is ONLY the extent to which the House and Senate choose to give a shit.

In a nut shell, Trump will do as Trump pleases and the rest of the world, this country will have to deal with it,....end of subject

Yeah, pretty much. Same thing everyone does in that office, these days. I'm not necessarily a fan of it, either, but if we manage to get through the next 4-8 years without going to war with Russia, I will be fairly confident that the electoral process turned out the lesser of those two evils.

LOLO...if you think for a second, Trump is gonna make it to 4 years without impeachment let alone 8, your buggin my friend. Already this guy has violated so many constitutional morays, the scent of impeachment is already in the air.

He's certainly said some things to that effect, but he's yet to attain the actual power to violate the constitution in an impeachable manner. Time will tell. Obama's done a number of highly controversial things as president that many have interpreted as blatant violations of the constitution, and not only was he not impeached, but the actions themselves were rarely even challenged beyond a little public lip service from republicans who ultimately did ZERO to stop him, so it's possible Trump'll make it through a term or two.

That said, the establishment of both sides despises the shit out of the guy (which was possibly the primary selling point for Trump, as far as my vote was concerned), and on top of that, his VP is someone that at least the republican establishment seems to find rather palatable, so I could also see Trump getting impeached on some trumped up charges even if he -doesn't- violate the constitution as president.

If he does do some of the illegal shit that he proposed during the campaign, though, I do expect he'll be held to account for it and sent home so fast that his comb-over spins.

 

[tigerred59]

ACA had difficulty passing because Democrats failed to define and defend it. I remember my congressman coming home to a townhall and actually laughing at the bill, my democratic congressman. So what happened was the GOP was allowed, as always to define ACA, first by calling it Obamacare and then ripping it apart. Another example of the cowards on the left and their lack of conviction and fight.

Sorry, but this response in this context is utterly meaningless. The reasons for the public's opinion are irrelevant, only the opinion defines the majority.

I could just as easily argue that Trump didn't win the majority because the MSM mischaracterized the vast majority of the shit they claim he said and assumed the absolute worst motives, even when those motives weren't the only or even the most obvious potential explanations.

You'd probably respond by telling me that I'm incorrect in my assessment, and that those motives -were- obvious, and that the MSM was totally accurate in their accounting of Trump's statements.

And I'd probably respond by reminding you that the vast majority of the MSM is left leaning (if I'm being charitable enough to characterize their political biases with such a soft term) and that, therefore, the democrats had the far greater platform from which to define the ACA, and that you're incorrect in your assessment that it was the republicans who dictated everyone's opinions.

Ultimately, I can't prove Trump's motivations and you can't prove who's responsible for the negative opinions of the ACA, and so these two arguments can't be relied upon to accurately frame the crux of our discussion.

More importantly, they are, as I've said, literally irrelevant to anything either of us has said up to this point. The only two points of relevance are, one, that neither the ACA nor Trump had/has the moral mandate granted by majority support, and, two, that such a moral mandate is legally meaningless, and the extent of its authority is ONLY the extent to which the House and Senate choose to give a shit.

In a nut shell, Trump will do as Trump pleases and the rest of the world, this country will have to deal with it,....end of subject

Yeah, pretty much. Same thing everyone does in that office, these days. I'm not necessarily a fan of it, either, but if we manage to get through the next 4-8 years without going to war with Russia, I will be fairly confident that the electoral process turned out the lesser of those two evils.

LOLO...if you think for a second, Trump is gonna make it to 4 years without impeachment let alone 8, your buggin my friend. Already this guy has violated so many constitutional morays, the scent of impeachment is already in the air.

He's certainly said some things to that effect, but he's yet to attain the actual power to violate the constitution in an impeachable manner. Time will tell. Obama's done a number of highly controversial things as president that many have interpreted as blatant violations of the constitution, and not only was he not impeached, but the actions themselves were rarely even challenged beyond a little public lip service from republicans who ultimately did ZERO to stop him, so it's possible Trump'll make it through a term or two.

That said, the establishment of both sides despises the shit out of the guy (which was possibly the primary selling point for Trump, as far as my vote was concerned), and on top of that, his VP is someone that at least the republican establishment seems to find rather palatable, so I could also see Trump getting impeached on some trumped up charges even if he -doesn't- violate the constitution as president.

If he does do some of the illegal shit that he proposed during the campaign, though, I do expect he'll be held to account for it and sent home so fast that his comb-over spins.

Obama had no choice in his decision making, he has since day one, worked among the most hostile forces on both sides and he wanted to get the people's work done. Trump on the other hand has a majority in both houses, so anything he does will get a rubber stamp....you have that advantage when your members thrive in gerrymandered districts.,,,its play ball or get booted out...Obama had no such luck

 

[Claudette]

As herr drumpf screws them , they will defend him more

Throughout his business career, from the casino business to Trump University, Donald Trump has been a con man and grifter. But his life’s work in ripping people off pales next to the long con that he pulled on the American people this year.

Indeed, rarely have so many Americans been convinced to cast a ballot that was not only a vote against their own interests, but also one that will directly harm themselves and their families. More and more, 2016 looks like an “Own Goal Election” for the millions of angry, embittered voters who backed Trump.

This is hardly the first time voters have cast a ballot that will boomerang against them. But rarely has the effect been as pronounced. In giving Republicans full control of Washington, voters have unleashed political forces that are eagerly looking to eviscerate the social safety net and pass legislation that favors the wealthiest and best-connected Americans while ignoring the economic plight of the angry, alienated Americans who gave their trust to Donald Trump.
This election will boomerang on Trump voters - The Boston Globe

What a fucking dumbass troll...
I think the election backfired on you and you are trying to remove the soot.

You bet you're ass it backfired on Guano.

He, the DNC, the media, the pollsters and everyone else thought Hillary had it in the bag.

Guess what?? They were so full of shit I'm surprised they didn't drown in it.

They totally underestimated the forgotten Americans who came out in droves to vote for Trump.

Guess they better get a new message cause the only one they had this time didn't do shit for em. LOL

 

[Papageorgio]

Lol! These leftist rags in the MSM did such a bang up job predicting the Hillary landslide 2016 election that I can't even BEGIN to imagine how they might be wrong in predicting the next 4 years before the pres-elect has even been inaugurated. I'm sure their clairvoyance will continue to yield the accurate results that we've become so accustomed to over the last 16 months or so.

Oh it gets better.
The Clinton team was heard whining that Trump doesn't have a mandate. That the pollsters were fooled. And a bunch of other whiny ass excuses.
They just cannot accept the fact that the American people have had enough of the leftist nonsense we have seen over the last 8 years.

Trump will be a minority president since Hillary Clinton beat him in the popular vote by over two millions. He is a slick, brash conman and he did fool a lot of the minority who voted for him. He has no mandate to do whatever he feels like doing today. The guy is all talk and self-contradictory most of the time.

He will appoint a Supreme Court Judge, his party will control the House and Senate. He will try to do what he wants, he doesn't need a mandate.

As I said, he won't need one.

 

[Claudette]

Sorry, but this response in this context is utterly meaningless. The reasons for the public's opinion are irrelevant, only the opinion defines the majority.

I could just as easily argue that Trump didn't win the majority because the MSM mischaracterized the vast majority of the shit they claim he said and assumed the absolute worst motives, even when those motives weren't the only or even the most obvious potential explanations.

You'd probably respond by telling me that I'm incorrect in my assessment, and that those motives -were- obvious, and that the MSM was totally accurate in their accounting of Trump's statements.

And I'd probably respond by reminding you that the vast majority of the MSM is left leaning (if I'm being charitable enough to characterize their political biases with such a soft term) and that, therefore, the democrats had the far greater platform from which to define the ACA, and that you're incorrect in your assessment that it was the republicans who dictated everyone's opinions.

Ultimately, I can't prove Trump's motivations and you can't prove who's responsible for the negative opinions of the ACA, and so these two arguments can't be relied upon to accurately frame the crux of our discussion.

More importantly, they are, as I've said, literally irrelevant to anything either of us has said up to this point. The only two points of relevance are, one, that neither the ACA nor Trump had/has the moral mandate granted by majority support, and, two, that such a moral mandate is legally meaningless, and the extent of its authority is ONLY the extent to which the House and Senate choose to give a shit.

In a nut shell, Trump will do as Trump pleases and the rest of the world, this country will have to deal with it,....end of subject

Yeah, pretty much. Same thing everyone does in that office, these days. I'm not necessarily a fan of it, either, but if we manage to get through the next 4-8 years without going to war with Russia, I will be fairly confident that the electoral process turned out the lesser of those two evils.

LOLO...if you think for a second, Trump is gonna make it to 4 years without impeachment let alone 8, your buggin my friend. Already this guy has violated so many constitutional morays, the scent of impeachment is already in the air.

He's certainly said some things to that effect, but he's yet to attain the actual power to violate the constitution in an impeachable manner. Time will tell. Obama's done a number of highly controversial things as president that many have interpreted as blatant violations of the constitution, and not only was he not impeached, but the actions themselves were rarely even challenged beyond a little public lip service from republicans who ultimately did ZERO to stop him, so it's possible Trump'll make it through a term or two.

That said, the establishment of both sides despises the shit out of the guy (which was possibly the primary selling point for Trump, as far as my vote was concerned), and on top of that, his VP is someone that at least the republican establishment seems to find rather palatable, so I could also see Trump getting impeached on some trumped up charges even if he -doesn't- violate the constitution as president.

If he does do some of the illegal shit that he proposed during the campaign, though, I do expect he'll be held to account for it and sent home so fast that his comb-over spins.

Obama had no choice in his decision making, he has since day one, worked among the most hostile forces on both sides and he wanted to get the people's work done. Trump on the other hand has a majority in both houses, so anything he does will get a rubber stamp....you have that advantage when your members thrive in gerrymandered districts.,,,its play ball or get booted out...Obama had no such luck

Oh you mean the Reps who he told to get in the back of the bus?? The Reps who he constantly told "He won." Those Reps?? LOL

Funny how that works.

The DNC is now in the back of the bus though unlike douchebag Trump will work with them even though "he won."

Douchebag is on his way out and good fucking riddance to Hope and Change. LMAO

 

[Papageorgio]

Sounds like America made the right choice. Sorry, guno, guess you're gonna have to wait 8 years to get another shot at wiping out Whitey.

I would bet my right arm, by the time summer hits, this board, along with most american's that voted for Trump will be as silent as a white man traveling through a Detroit neighborhood late at night.,,and guys I am so rarely wrong.

Wow, I have never seen you right on anything, I must see those "rare" occasions a lot.

 

[August West]

As herr drumpf screws them , they will defend him more

Throughout his business career, from the casino business to Trump University, Donald Trump has been a con man and grifter. But his life’s work in ripping people off pales next to the long con that he pulled on the American people this year.

Indeed, rarely have so many Americans been convinced to cast a ballot that was not only a vote against their own interests, but also one that will directly harm themselves and their families. More and more, 2016 looks like an “Own Goal Election” for the millions of angry, embittered voters who backed Trump.

This is hardly the first time voters have cast a ballot that will boomerang against them. But rarely has the effect been as pronounced. In giving Republicans full control of Washington, voters have unleashed political forces that are eagerly looking to eviscerate the social safety net and pass legislation that favors the wealthiest and best-connected Americans while ignoring the economic plight of the angry, alienated Americans who gave their trust to Donald Trump.
This election will boomerang on Trump voters - The Boston Globe

What a fucking dumbass troll...
I think the election backfired on you and you are trying to remove the soot.

You bet you're ass it backfired on Guano.

He, the DNC, the media, the pollsters and everyone else thought Hillary had it in the bag.

Guess what?? They were so full of shit I'm surprised they didn't drown in it.

They totally underestimated the forgotten Americans who came out in droves to vote for Trump.

Guess they better get a new message cause the only one they had this time didn't do shit for em. LOL

Hillary only had 2.5 million more votes than the guy who just wrote a $25 million check to the 4,000 people he robbed. Just saying.

 

[rightwinger]

We already have the disaster of a Bush presidency ranked as the worst in post twentieth century

By whom?

An overwhelming number of historians not just at home, but abroad

No links? Just your word?

I found a legitimate poll that rates Obama as the worst. He and Carter (remember interest rates?,unemployment?, foreign policy? gas lines?).

Poll: Obama 'worst president' since World War II

A main reason why they ask presidential historians rather than partisan voters

Historians don't matter. Only the court of public opinion matters.
And yeah, most of those who are politically aware that are lefties, will say Bush 43 is the worst POTUS in history.
I think Jimmy Carter is BY FAR the worst POTUS in the history of the country. Although, people they were adults during the Hoover admin thought he was the worst.

Sure it does....Truman was hated while he was President and history showed he was right
The public is swayed by the partisan media they watch and has little perspective on historical impact

Carter was more of a victim of his times and paid the price for runaway inflation and gas prices and the Iran hostage crisis. Carter balanced his budget and suffered economically for it. Reagan tripled the debt and took credit for a surging economy

 

[Claudette]

As herr drumpf screws them , they will defend him more

Throughout his business career, from the casino business to Trump University, Donald Trump has been a con man and grifter. But his life’s work in ripping people off pales next to the long con that he pulled on the American people this year.

Indeed, rarely have so many Americans been convinced to cast a ballot that was not only a vote against their own interests, but also one that will directly harm themselves and their families. More and more, 2016 looks like an “Own Goal Election” for the millions of angry, embittered voters who backed Trump.

This is hardly the first time voters have cast a ballot that will boomerang against them. But rarely has the effect been as pronounced. In giving Republicans full control of Washington, voters have unleashed political forces that are eagerly looking to eviscerate the social safety net and pass legislation that favors the wealthiest and best-connected Americans while ignoring the economic plight of the angry, alienated Americans who gave their trust to Donald Trump.
This election will boomerang on Trump voters - The Boston Globe

What a fucking dumbass troll...
I think the election backfired on you and you are trying to remove the soot.

You bet you're ass it backfired on Guano.

He, the DNC, the media, the pollsters and everyone else thought Hillary had it in the bag.

Guess what?? They were so full of shit I'm surprised they didn't drown in it.

They totally underestimated the forgotten Americans who came out in droves to vote for Trump.

Guess they better get a new message cause the only one they had this time didn't do shit for em. LOL

Hillary only had 2.5 million more votes than the guy who just wrote a $25 million check to the 4,000 people he robbed. Just saying.

Who's the President Elect???

 

[tigerred59]

As herr drumpf screws them , they will defend him more

Throughout his business career, from the casino business to Trump University, Donald Trump has been a con man and grifter. But his life’s work in ripping people off pales next to the long con that he pulled on the American people this year.

Indeed, rarely have so many Americans been convinced to cast a ballot that was not only a vote against their own interests, but also one that will directly harm themselves and their families. More and more, 2016 looks like an “Own Goal Election” for the millions of angry, embittered voters who backed Trump.

This is hardly the first time voters have cast a ballot that will boomerang against them. But rarely has the effect been as pronounced. In giving Republicans full control of Washington, voters have unleashed political forces that are eagerly looking to eviscerate the social safety net and pass legislation that favors the wealthiest and best-connected Americans while ignoring the economic plight of the angry, alienated Americans who gave their trust to Donald Trump.
This election will boomerang on Trump voters - The Boston Globe

What a fucking dumbass troll...
I think the election backfired on you and you are trying to remove the soot.

You bet you're ass it backfired on Guano.

He, the DNC, the media, the pollsters and everyone else thought Hillary had it in the bag.

Guess what?? They were so full of shit I'm surprised they didn't drown in it.

They totally underestimated the forgotten Americans who came out in droves to vote for Trump.

Guess they better get a new message cause the only one they had this time didn't do shit for em. LOL

That is such bullshit, forgotten American's my black ass. What you have are small enclaves of towns that relied to much on one hit wonder companies, paying legacy workers huge amounts of money that they no longer want to sustain and support....who like the Trump brand want cheaper labor for their products being made.... and that's somehow Obama's fuckin fault or democrats fault? Hillary was a flawed candidate, and deserved to lose. What the so called forgotten WHITE AMERICANS DON'T REALIZE IS THAT NO COMPANY TODAY, WANTS TO REWARD HARD WORKERS WITH GOOD PAY. And they will soon realize that while Trump may be saving a few hundred jobs here and there, eventually when state revenues dry up from all the padding the Trumps are giving these companies, sooner or later they're gonna leave. What must happen and will not occur is a discussion on wages across the boards.....that is the only solution to america's ill gotten work force.

 

[Claudette]

As herr drumpf screws them , they will defend him more

Throughout his business career, from the casino business to Trump University, Donald Trump has been a con man and grifter. But his life’s work in ripping people off pales next to the long con that he pulled on the American people this year.

Indeed, rarely have so many Americans been convinced to cast a ballot that was not only a vote against their own interests, but also one that will directly harm themselves and their families. More and more, 2016 looks like an “Own Goal Election” for the millions of angry, embittered voters who backed Trump.

This is hardly the first time voters have cast a ballot that will boomerang against them. But rarely has the effect been as pronounced. In giving Republicans full control of Washington, voters have unleashed political forces that are eagerly looking to eviscerate the social safety net and pass legislation that favors the wealthiest and best-connected Americans while ignoring the economic plight of the angry, alienated Americans who gave their trust to Donald Trump.
This election will boomerang on Trump voters - The Boston Globe

What a fucking dumbass troll...
I think the election backfired on you and you are trying to remove the soot.

You bet you're ass it backfired on Guano.

He, the DNC, the media, the pollsters and everyone else thought Hillary had it in the bag.

Guess what?? They were so full of shit I'm surprised they didn't drown in it.

They totally underestimated the forgotten Americans who came out in droves to vote for Trump.

Guess they better get a new message cause the only one they had this time didn't do shit for em. LOL

That is such bullshit, forgotten American's my black ass. What you have are small enclaves of towns that relied to much on one hit wonder companies, paying legacy workers huge amounts of money that they no longer want to sustain and support....who like the Trump brand want cheaper labor for their products being made.... and that's somehow Obama's fuckin fault or democrats fault? Hillary was a flawed candidate, and deserved to lose. What the so called forgotten WHITE AMERICANS DON'T REALIZE IS THAT NO COMPANY TODAY, WANTS TO REWARD HARD WORKERS WITH GOOD PAY. And they will soon realize that while Trump may be saving a few hundred jobs here and there, eventually when state revenues dry up from all the padding the Trumps are giving these companies, sooner or later they're gonna leave. What must happen and will not occur is a discussion on wages across the boards.....that is the only solution to america's ill gotten work force.

What you had was those Americans voting for Trump and not Hillary.

Hillary who called anyone who supported Trump a "deplorable."

Nuff said.

Oh and we'll see what happens when that corporate tax rate lands at 15% instead of 35%.

 

[rightwinger]

As herr drumpf screws them , they will defend him more

Throughout his business career, from the casino business to Trump University, Donald Trump has been a con man and grifter. But his life’s work in ripping people off pales next to the long con that he pulled on the American people this year.

Indeed, rarely have so many Americans been convinced to cast a ballot that was not only a vote against their own interests, but also one that will directly harm themselves and their families. More and more, 2016 looks like an “Own Goal Election” for the millions of angry, embittered voters who backed Trump.

This is hardly the first time voters have cast a ballot that will boomerang against them. But rarely has the effect been as pronounced. In giving Republicans full control of Washington, voters have unleashed political forces that are eagerly looking to eviscerate the social safety net and pass legislation that favors the wealthiest and best-connected Americans while ignoring the economic plight of the angry, alienated Americans who gave their trust to Donald Trump.
This election will boomerang on Trump voters - The Boston Globe

What a fucking dumbass troll...
I think the election backfired on you and you are trying to remove the soot.

You bet you're ass it backfired on Guano.

He, the DNC, the media, the pollsters and everyone else thought Hillary had it in the bag.

Guess what?? They were so full of shit I'm surprised they didn't drown in it.

They totally underestimated the forgotten Americans who came out in droves to vote for Trump.

Guess they better get a new message cause the only one they had this time didn't do shit for em. LOL

That is such bullshit, forgotten American's my black ass. What you have are small enclaves of towns that relied to much on one hit wonder companies, paying legacy workers huge amounts of money that they no longer want to sustain and support....who like the Trump brand want cheaper labor for their products being made.... and that's somehow Obama's fuckin fault or democrats fault? Hillary was a flawed candidate, and deserved to lose. What the so called forgotten WHITE AMERICANS DON'T REALIZE IS THAT NO COMPANY TODAY, WANTS TO REWARD HARD WORKERS WITH GOOD PAY. And they will soon realize that while Trump may be saving a few hundred jobs here and there, eventually when state revenues dry up from all the padding the Trumps are giving these companies, sooner or later they're gonna leave. What must happen and will not occur is a discussion on wages across the boards.....that is the only solution to america's ill gotten work force.

What you had was those Americans voting for Trump and not Hillary.

Hillary who called anyone who supported Trump a "deplorable."

Nuff said.

Oh and we'll see what happens when that corporate tax rate lands at 15% instead of 35%.

Hillary called half the Trump voters deplorable......the rest are fucking morons

 

[Claudette]

As herr drumpf screws them , they will defend him more

Throughout his business career, from the casino business to Trump University, Donald Trump has been a con man and grifter. But his life’s work in ripping people off pales next to the long con that he pulled on the American people this year.

Indeed, rarely have so many Americans been convinced to cast a ballot that was not only a vote against their own interests, but also one that will directly harm themselves and their families. More and more, 2016 looks like an “Own Goal Election” for the millions of angry, embittered voters who backed Trump.

This is hardly the first time voters have cast a ballot that will boomerang against them. But rarely has the effect been as pronounced. In giving Republicans full control of Washington, voters have unleashed political forces that are eagerly looking to eviscerate the social safety net and pass legislation that favors the wealthiest and best-connected Americans while ignoring the economic plight of the angry, alienated Americans who gave their trust to Donald Trump.
This election will boomerang on Trump voters - The Boston Globe

What a fucking dumbass troll...
I think the election backfired on you and you are trying to remove the soot.

You bet you're ass it backfired on Guano.

He, the DNC, the media, the pollsters and everyone else thought Hillary had it in the bag.

Guess what?? They were so full of shit I'm surprised they didn't drown in it.

They totally underestimated the forgotten Americans who came out in droves to vote for Trump.

Guess they better get a new message cause the only one they had this time didn't do shit for em. LOL

That is such bullshit, forgotten American's my black ass. What you have are small enclaves of towns that relied to much on one hit wonder companies, paying legacy workers huge amounts of money that they no longer want to sustain and support....who like the Trump brand want cheaper labor for their products being made.... and that's somehow Obama's fuckin fault or democrats fault? Hillary was a flawed candidate, and deserved to lose. What the so called forgotten WHITE AMERICANS DON'T REALIZE IS THAT NO COMPANY TODAY, WANTS TO REWARD HARD WORKERS WITH GOOD PAY. And they will soon realize that while Trump may be saving a few hundred jobs here and there, eventually when state revenues dry up from all the padding the Trumps are giving these companies, sooner or later they're gonna leave. What must happen and will not occur is a discussion on wages across the boards.....that is the only solution to america's ill gotten work force.

What you had was those Americans voting for Trump and not Hillary.

Hillary who called anyone who supported Trump a "deplorable."

Nuff said.

Oh and we'll see what happens when that corporate tax rate lands at 15% instead of 35%.

Hillary called half the Trump voters deplorable......the rest are fucking morons

Of course she did. Only problem is those supporting her turned out to be the morons.

Who's the President elect???

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

We actually don't know what he really intends to do and to who- or what he will be able to do, given the fact that he will surely face opposition on at least part of his agenda - what ever that will really be- from both congressional Republicans and Democrats . Sure, if he is able implement his campaign promises, his base will indeed be screwed- like when 20 M people lose health care coverage, or when the working class realizes that they are their big tax cut is chump change while the wealthy make out big time.

At the same time, since the election he has flipped on so many of those promises, taking a more centrist position, that the base may be pissed for a different reason-betrayal. And regardless of the positions that he takes- that fact is that he is surrounding himself with far right ideologues who will have considerable influence with him since he is malleable empty shell of a (human?) being with no core convictions of his own.

However, this much we know. He will soon learn the difference between being the President of a constitutional republic, and being a CEO, king , or dictator and he wont like it: GOP Leader Breaks With Donald Trump On Suggested 35 Percent Tariff | The Huffington Post

Soon he will be tweeting about the nasty and unfair congress that will not just say "yes sir Mr. president ' to what ever moronic ideas he has . This is going to be truly pathetic

 

[Shrimpbox]

Sounds like America made the right choice. Sorry, guno, guess you're gonna have to wait 8 years to get another shot at wiping out Whitey.

I would bet my right arm, by the time summer hits, this board, along with most american's that voted for Trump will be as silent as a white man traveling through a Detroit neighborhood late at night.,,and guys I am so rarely wrong.

I am so rarely wrong. Rofl. I'll take that bet with the definition of insanity. Hope you can write with your left hand.

 

[Eloy]

Lol! These leftist rags in the MSM did such a bang up job predicting the Hillary landslide 2016 election that I can't even BEGIN to imagine how they might be wrong in predicting the next 4 years before the pres-elect has even been inaugurated. I'm sure their clairvoyance will continue to yield the accurate results that we've become so accustomed to over the last 16 months or so.

Oh it gets better.
The Clinton team was heard whining that Trump doesn't have a mandate. That the pollsters were fooled. And a bunch of other whiny ass excuses.
They just cannot accept the fact that the American people have had enough of the leftist nonsense we have seen over the last 8 years.

Trump will be a minority president since Hillary Clinton beat him in the popular vote by over two millions. He is a slick, brash conman and he did fool a lot of the minority who voted for him. He has no mandate to do whatever he feels like doing today. The guy is all talk and self-contradictory most of the time.

He will appoint a Supreme Court Judge, his party will control the House and Senate. He will try to do what he wants, he doesn't need a mandate.

A mandate affords a moral authority to do as a candidate promised the electorate during the campaign. The minority President Trump will have no mandate since most of the electorate voted for Hillary Clinton.

You do have something of a point here. Trump will have to take comfort in the fact that moral authority isn't a legally binding concept as he ignores his lack of a majority mandate and does his thing. You know, kinda like the Democrats took comfort in the fact that over 60 percent of the people being opposed to a bill in the congress is legally meaningless as they ignored their lack of a majority mandate to pass the ACA.

It does not help understanding to introduce another person and a specific piece of legislation to force a comparison between President Obama and Donald Trump and his minority status in the eyes of the American people. Let's stick to the topic please and continually watch for the disappointment of the minority of American voters who supported Trump as he backtracks on his ludicrous promises during the election campaign.

 

[Eloy]

We actually don't know what he really intends to do and to who- or what he will be able to do, given the fact that he will surely face opposition on at least part of his agenda - what ever that will really be- from both congressional Republicans and Democrats . Sure, if he is able implement his campaign promises, his base will indeed be screwed- like when 20 M people lose health care coverage, or when the working class realizes that they are their big tax cut is chump change while the wealthy make out big time.

At the same time, since the election he has flipped on so many of those promises, taking a more centrist position, that the base may be pissed for a different reason-betrayal. And regardless of the positions that he takes- that fact is that he is surrounding himself with far right ideologues who will have considerable influence with him since he is malleable empty shell of a (human?) being with no core convictions of his own.

However, this much we know. He will soon learn the difference between being the President of a constitutional republic, and being a CEO, king , or dictator and he wont like it: GOP Leader Breaks With Donald Trump On Suggested 35 Percent Tariff | The Huffington Post

Soon he will be tweeting about the nasty and unfair congress that will not just say "yes sir Mr. president ' to what ever moronic ideas he has . This is going to be truly pathetic

The Republican Congress will do what their Republican President wants.

 

[Eloy]

Oh it gets better.
The Clinton team was heard whining that Trump doesn't have a mandate. That the pollsters were fooled. And a bunch of other whiny ass excuses.
They just cannot accept the fact that the American people have had enough of the leftist nonsense we have seen over the last 8 years.

Trump will be a minority president since Hillary Clinton beat him in the popular vote by over two millions. He is a slick, brash conman and he did fool a lot of the minority who voted for him. He has no mandate to do whatever he feels like doing today. The guy is all talk and self-contradictory most of the time.

He will appoint a Supreme Court Judge, his party will control the House and Senate. He will try to do what he wants, he doesn't need a mandate.

A mandate affords a moral authority to do as a candidate promised the electorate during the campaign. The minority President Trump will have no mandate since most of the electorate voted for Hillary Clinton.

You do have something of a point here. Trump will have to take comfort in the fact that moral authority isn't a legally binding concept as he ignores his lack of a majority mandate and does his thing. You know, kinda like the Democrats took comfort in the fact that over 60 percent of the people being opposed to a bill in the congress is legally meaningless as they ignored their lack of a majority mandate to pass the ACA.

ACA had difficulty passing because Democrats failed to define and defend it. I remember my congressman coming home to a townhall and actually laughing at the bill, my democratic congressman. So what happened was the GOP was allowed, as always to define ACA, first by calling it Obamacare and then ripping it apart. Another example of the cowards on the left and their lack of conviction and fight.

The Affordable Care Act is fundamentally flawed because it is attempting to have a socialist concern for universal health care and free at the point of delivery while using the capitalist desire to involve private insurance corporations. It is a dog's breakfast.

 

[Eloy]

You do have something of a point here. Trump will have to take comfort in the fact that moral authority isn't a legally binding concept as he ignores his lack of a majority mandate and does his thing. You know, kinda like the Democrats took comfort in the fact that over 60 percent of the people being opposed to a bill in the congress is legally meaningless as they ignored their lack of a majority mandate to pass the ACA.

ACA had difficulty passing because Democrats failed to define and defend it. I remember my congressman coming home to a townhall and actually laughing at the bill, my democratic congressman. So what happened was the GOP was allowed, as always to define ACA, first by calling it Obamacare and then ripping it apart. Another example of the cowards on the left and their lack of conviction and fight.

Sorry, but this response in this context is utterly meaningless. The reasons for the public's opinion are irrelevant, only the opinion defines the majority.

I could just as easily argue that Trump didn't win the majority because the MSM mischaracterized the vast majority of the shit they claim he said and assumed the absolute worst motives, even when those motives weren't the only or even the most obvious potential explanations.

You'd probably respond by telling me that I'm incorrect in my assessment, and that those motives -were- obvious, and that the MSM was totally accurate in their accounting of Trump's statements.

And I'd probably respond by reminding you that the vast majority of the MSM is left leaning (if I'm being charitable enough to characterize their political biases with such a soft term) and that, therefore, the democrats had the far greater platform from which to define the ACA, and that you're incorrect in your assessment that it was the republicans who dictated everyone's opinions.

Ultimately, I can't prove Trump's motivations and you can't prove who's responsible for the negative opinions of the ACA, and so these two arguments can't be relied upon to accurately frame the crux of our discussion.

More importantly, they are, as I've said, literally irrelevant to anything either of us has said up to this point. The only two points of relevance are, one, that neither the ACA nor Trump had/has the moral mandate granted by majority support, and, two, that such a moral mandate is legally meaningless, and the extent of its authority is ONLY the extent to which the House and Senate choose to give a shit.

In a nut shell, Trump will do as Trump pleases and the rest of the world, this country will have to deal with it,....end of subject

Yeah, pretty much. Same thing everyone does in that office, these days. I'm not necessarily a fan of it, either, but if we manage to get through the next 4-8 years without going to war with Russia, I will be fairly confident that the electoral process turned out the lesser of those two evils.

LOLO...if you think for a second, Trump is gonna make it to 4 years without impeachment let alone 8, your buggin my friend. Already this guy has violated so many constitutional morays, the scent of impeachment is already in the air.

It is true that Trump with his middle school grasp of American Government is out of his depth just as much as the minority of voters who supported him were out of their minds.

 

[Claudette]

We actually don't know what he really intends to do and to who- or what he will be able to do, given the fact that he will surely face opposition on at least part of his agenda - what ever that will really be- from both congressional Republicans and Democrats . Sure, if he is able implement his campaign promises, his base will indeed be screwed- like when 20 M people lose health care coverage, or when the working class realizes that they are their big tax cut is chump change while the wealthy make out big time.

At the same time, since the election he has flipped on so many of those promises, taking a more centrist position, that the base may be pissed for a different reason-betrayal. And regardless of the positions that he takes- that fact is that he is surrounding himself with far right ideologues who will have considerable influence with him since he is malleable empty shell of a (human?) being with no core convictions of his own.

However, this much we know. He will soon learn the difference between being the President of a constitutional republic, and being a CEO, king , or dictator and he wont like it: GOP Leader Breaks With Donald Trump On Suggested 35 Percent Tariff | The Huffington Post

Soon he will be tweeting about the nasty and unfair congress that will not just say "yes sir Mr. president ' to what ever moronic ideas he has . This is going to be truly pathetic

If you say so but then you backed Hillary so You aren't to smart.

Carry on Guano. Shit by any other name. LOL