This Day in Antidemocratic Bullshit

[Pogo]

Dateline: January 7, 1920 (Actually yesterday -- got too busy to post on the day of)

>> The [143rd New York State] Legislature met for the regular session at the State Capitol in Albany on 7 January, 1920. Thaddeus C. Sweet (R) was re-elected Speaker. At the beginning of the session, the five Socialist assemblymen were suspended by Speaker Sweet, pending a trial before the Assembly Committee on the Judiciary to determine whether they were fit to take their seats. Charles Evans Hughes (Rep.) and Governor Al Smith (Dem.) condemned Speaker Sweet and the Republican majority for taking this course of action.

On 30 March, a majority of 7 members of the 13-member Judiciary Committee recommended the expulsion the five Socialists. Minority reports recommended the seating of all or part of the Socialist assemblymen. In the early morning of 1 April, the five Socialist assemblymen were expelled.<< --- 1920: The New York State Assembly Refuses to Seat Five Duly Elected Socialist Assemblymen​

Later in the year after Gov. Smith ordered new elections to replace the five, all five were again elected to the same seats, whereupon three of them were again expelled. The other two were permitted to be seated but both resigned in protest.

So much for the illusion of "free and fair elections" huh.

For temporal perspective --- later that year Eugene Debs ran as a Socialist for President for the fourth time. By 1920 he had to do so while in prison, having been incarcerated under the blatantly unConstitutional "Sedition Act" of 1918 -- the same year Earnest Starr was jailed for refusing a mob's demands that he kiss an American flag.

Those who ignore their history are doomed to arrive shortly to trash this thread as per usual.

 

[Lastamender]

As long as it is not anti-Representative republic. True democracy is no more than mob rule.

Now what history did I forget?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Dateline: January 7, 1920 (Actually yesterday -- got too busy to post on the day of)

>> The [143rd New York State] Legislature met for the regular session at the State Capitol in Albany on 7 January, 1920. Thaddeus C. Sweet (R) was re-elected Speaker. At the beginning of the session, the five Socialist assemblymen were suspended by Speaker Sweet, pending a trial before the Assembly Committee on the Judiciary to determine whether they were fit to take their seats. Charles Evans Hughes (Rep.) and Governor Al Smith (Dem.) condemned Speaker Sweet and the Republican majority for taking this course of action.

On 30 March, a majority of 7 members of the 13-member Judiciary Committee recommended the expulsion the five Socialists. Minority reports recommended the seating of all or part of the Socialist assemblymen. In the early morning of 1 April, the five Socialist assemblymen were expelled.<< --- 1920: The New York State Assembly Refuses to Seat Five Duly Elected Socialist Assemblymen​

Later in the year after Gov. Smith ordered new elections to replace the five, all five were again elected to the same seats, whereupon three of them were again expelled. The other two were permitted to be seated but both resigned in protest.

So much for the illusion of "free and fair elections" huh.

For temporal perspective --- later that year Eugene Debs ran as a Socialist for President for the fourth time. By 1920 he had to do so while in prison, having been incarcerated under the blatantly unConstitutional "Sedition Act" of 1918 -- the same year Earnest Starr was jailed for refusing a mob's demands that he kiss an American flag.

Those who ignore their history are doomed to arrive shortly to trash this thread as per usual.

Those halcyon days!

After a century of worldwide Communist/socialist destruction and murder, common sense clearly indicates they be outlawed.

 

[Pogo]

As predicted, right on time.......

Dateline: January 7, 1920 (Actually yesterday -- got too busy to post on the day of)

>> The [143rd New York State] Legislature met for the regular session at the State Capitol in Albany on 7 January, 1920. Thaddeus C. Sweet (R) was re-elected Speaker. At the beginning of the session, the five Socialist assemblymen were suspended by Speaker Sweet, pending a trial before the Assembly Committee on the Judiciary to determine whether they were fit to take their seats. Charles Evans Hughes (Rep.) and Governor Al Smith (Dem.) condemned Speaker Sweet and the Republican majority for taking this course of action.

On 30 March, a majority of 7 members of the 13-member Judiciary Committee recommended the expulsion the five Socialists. Minority reports recommended the seating of all or part of the Socialist assemblymen. In the early morning of 1 April, the five Socialist assemblymen were expelled.<< --- 1920: The New York State Assembly Refuses to Seat Five Duly Elected Socialist Assemblymen​

Later in the year after Gov. Smith ordered new elections to replace the five, all five were again elected to the same seats, whereupon three of them were again expelled. The other two were permitted to be seated but both resigned in protest.

So much for the illusion of "free and fair elections" huh.

For temporal perspective --- later that year Eugene Debs ran as a Socialist for President for the fourth time. By 1920 he had to do so while in prison, having been incarcerated under the blatantly unConstitutional "Sedition Act" of 1918 -- the same year Earnest Starr was jailed for refusing a mob's demands that he kiss an American flag.

Those who ignore their history are doomed to arrive shortly to trash this thread as per usual.

Those halcyon days!

After a century of worldwide Communist/socialist destruction and murder, common sense clearly indicates they be outlawed.

Yeah um.... number one the Constitution of the United States of America emphatically prevents that --- First Amendment, which is entirely what the events described are about, in several different examples ---- and number two these five were duly elected in accordance with the laws of the State of New York --- TWICE.

Number three, all six subject politicians in the OP were Socialists, not "communists", number three-B those are two different things, and number three-C, both are economic systems anyway that have nothing whatever to do with "destruction" or "murder".

Other than that at least you spelled the word halcyon correctly. That's a start I guess. Might want to return to that point where you were still on the rails and start over.

 

[Pogo]

As long as it is not anti-Representative republic. True democracy is no more than mob rule.

Now what history did I forget?

The part that relates to the First Amendment. Assaults on it are the main event(s) in this thread.

 

[depotoo]

Uhhh, they forgot this tidbit-


A debate on the floor took almost 24 hours and ended on April 1, 1920, with all five members expelled. Speaker Sweet was congratulated with “scores of telegrams, some from persons of prominence in the political, financial, or industrial world,” according to the account in The Times.

Messrs. Waldman, Claessens and Solomon went down, 116 to 28, with members of both parties in both camps. Messrs. DeWitt and Orr were expelled, 104 to 40.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

As predicted, right on time.......

Dateline: January 7, 1920 (Actually yesterday -- got too busy to post on the day of)

>> The [143rd New York State] Legislature met for the regular session at the State Capitol in Albany on 7 January, 1920. Thaddeus C. Sweet (R) was re-elected Speaker. At the beginning of the session, the five Socialist assemblymen were suspended by Speaker Sweet, pending a trial before the Assembly Committee on the Judiciary to determine whether they were fit to take their seats. Charles Evans Hughes (Rep.) and Governor Al Smith (Dem.) condemned Speaker Sweet and the Republican majority for taking this course of action.

On 30 March, a majority of 7 members of the 13-member Judiciary Committee recommended the expulsion the five Socialists. Minority reports recommended the seating of all or part of the Socialist assemblymen. In the early morning of 1 April, the five Socialist assemblymen were expelled.<< --- 1920: The New York State Assembly Refuses to Seat Five Duly Elected Socialist Assemblymen​

Later in the year after Gov. Smith ordered new elections to replace the five, all five were again elected to the same seats, whereupon three of them were again expelled. The other two were permitted to be seated but both resigned in protest.

So much for the illusion of "free and fair elections" huh.

For temporal perspective --- later that year Eugene Debs ran as a Socialist for President for the fourth time. By 1920 he had to do so while in prison, having been incarcerated under the blatantly unConstitutional "Sedition Act" of 1918 -- the same year Earnest Starr was jailed for refusing a mob's demands that he kiss an American flag.

Those who ignore their history are doomed to arrive shortly to trash this thread as per usual.

Those halcyon days!

After a century of worldwide Communist/socialist destruction and murder, common sense clearly indicates they be outlawed.

Yeah um.... number one the Constitution of the United States of America emphatically prevents that --- First Amendment, which is entirely what the events described are about, in several different examples ---- and number two these five were duly elected in accordance with the laws of the State of New York --- TWICE.

Number three, all six subject politicians in the OP were Socialists, not "communists", number three-B those are two different things, and number three-C, both are economic systems anyway that have nothing whatever to do with "destruction" or "murder".

Other than that at least you spelled the word halcyon correctly. That's a start I guess. Might want to return to that point where you were still on the rails and start over.

1) It did then too. And yet, they were removed.

3-B) No appreciable difference. Out of the same box.

3-C) 20th Century history tells a different tale.

 

[Pogo]

Dateline: January 7, 1920 (Actually yesterday -- got too busy to post on the day of)

>> The [143rd New York State] Legislature met for the regular session at the State Capitol in Albany on 7 January, 1920. Thaddeus C. Sweet (R) was re-elected Speaker. At the beginning of the session, the five Socialist assemblymen were suspended by Speaker Sweet, pending a trial before the Assembly Committee on the Judiciary to determine whether they were fit to take their seats. Charles Evans Hughes (Rep.) and Governor Al Smith (Dem.) condemned Speaker Sweet and the Republican majority for taking this course of action.

On 30 March, a majority of 7 members of the 13-member Judiciary Committee recommended the expulsion the five Socialists. Minority reports recommended the seating of all or part of the Socialist assemblymen. In the early morning of 1 April, the five Socialist assemblymen were expelled.<< --- 1920: The New York State Assembly Refuses to Seat Five Duly Elected Socialist Assemblymen​

Later in the year after Gov. Smith ordered new elections to replace the five, all five were again elected to the same seats, whereupon three of them were again expelled. The other two were permitted to be seated but both resigned in protest.

So much for the illusion of "free and fair elections" huh.

For temporal perspective --- later that year Eugene Debs ran as a Socialist for President for the fourth time. By 1920 he had to do so while in prison, having been incarcerated under the blatantly unConstitutional "Sedition Act" of 1918 -- the same year Earnest Starr was jailed for refusing a mob's demands that he kiss an American flag.

Those who ignore their history are doomed to arrive shortly to trash this thread as per usual.

For more temporal perspective this was the same time the infamous Palmer Raids were going on (November 1919 - January 1920) rounding up suspected leftists and anarchists for deportation -- on the basis of political beliefs. It was the era just after the Nazi-esque National Security League had been campaigning, in its lust for hypernationalism, to ban the teaching of foreign language in schools, especially German, and just before the equally fascistic Ku Klux Klan spread nationwide with its mantra of "100% Americanism". It was the time (1918) when the national anthem started appearing at all-white baseball games. In short, nationalism frothing at the mouth.

First Amendment didn't see a lot of defense in these times.

The program of the NSL eerily mirrored that of both the Klan and later the fascists of Nazi Germany:

>> Under the guise of encouraging the teaching of American history, the league worked to eliminate the teaching of foreign languages (especially German, and later Russian). It encouraged physical education in the schools as a means of "strengthening American manhood" for war.[6] By advocating civil defense, the League proselytized for more defense spending and a stronger national military.[1][6] But "Americanism" and universal conscription were not meant to merely strengthen the military but also to weed out "religious or political dissenters, sexual 'deviants,' those who frequented prostitutes, and people convicted of crimes who had completed their punishment..."[8] The goal was to create an elite meritocratic class which would take decision-making away from the electorate.[1][6] <<​

Twenty years later Germany would learn what kind of road that sort of hypernationalism leads down.

Perhaps they couldn't see it coming....

 

[Lastamender]

As long as it is not anti-Representative republic. True democracy is no more than mob rule.

Now what history did I forget?

The part that relates to the First Amendment. Assaults on it are the main event(s) in this thread.

Those assaults are on campuses. And violent ones at that.

 

[Pogo]

Uhhh, they forgot this tidbit-


A debate on the floor took almost 24 hours and ended on April 1, 1920, with all five members expelled. Speaker Sweet was congratulated with “scores of telegrams, some from persons of prominence in the political, financial, or industrial world,” according to the account in The Times.

Messrs. Waldman, Claessens and Solomon went down, 116 to 28, with members of both parties in both camps. Messrs. DeWitt and Orr were expelled, 104 to 40.

That's very nice creative writing. Find a link for it and it will actually be real. It still won't have a point though -- you just confirmed what I reported in the OP.

 

[depotoo]

Talk about out in left field.

 

[Lastamender]

Dateline: January 7, 1920 (Actually yesterday -- got too busy to post on the day of)

>> The [143rd New York State] Legislature met for the regular session at the State Capitol in Albany on 7 January, 1920. Thaddeus C. Sweet (R) was re-elected Speaker. At the beginning of the session, the five Socialist assemblymen were suspended by Speaker Sweet, pending a trial before the Assembly Committee on the Judiciary to determine whether they were fit to take their seats. Charles Evans Hughes (Rep.) and Governor Al Smith (Dem.) condemned Speaker Sweet and the Republican majority for taking this course of action.

On 30 March, a majority of 7 members of the 13-member Judiciary Committee recommended the expulsion the five Socialists. Minority reports recommended the seating of all or part of the Socialist assemblymen. In the early morning of 1 April, the five Socialist assemblymen were expelled.<< --- 1920: The New York State Assembly Refuses to Seat Five Duly Elected Socialist Assemblymen​

Later in the year after Gov. Smith ordered new elections to replace the five, all five were again elected to the same seats, whereupon three of them were again expelled. The other two were permitted to be seated but both resigned in protest.

So much for the illusion of "free and fair elections" huh.

For temporal perspective --- later that year Eugene Debs ran as a Socialist for President for the fourth time. By 1920 he had to do so while in prison, having been incarcerated under the blatantly unConstitutional "Sedition Act" of 1918 -- the same year Earnest Starr was jailed for refusing a mob's demands that he kiss an American flag.

Those who ignore their history are doomed to arrive shortly to trash this thread as per usual.

For more temporal perspective this was the same time the infamous Palmer Raids were going on (November 1919 - January 1920) rounding up suspected leftists and anarchists for deportation -- on the basis of political beliefs. It was the era just after the Nazi-esque National Security League had been campaigning, in its lust for hypernationalism, to ban the teaching of foreign language in schools, especially German, and just before the equally fascistic Ku Klux Klan spread nationwide with its mantra of "100% Americanism". It was the time (1918) when the national anthem started appearing at all-white baseball games. In short, nationalism frothing at the mouth.

First Amendment didn't see a lot of defense in these times.

The program of the NSL eerily mirrored that of both the Klan and later the fascists of Nazi Germany:

>> Under the guise of encouraging the teaching of American history, the league worked to eliminate the teaching of foreign languages (especially German, and later Russian). It encouraged physical education in the schools as a means of "strengthening American manhood" for war.[6] By advocating civil defense, the League proselytized for more defense spending and a stronger national military.[1][6] But "Americanism" and universal conscription were not meant to merely strengthen the military but also to weed out "religious or political dissenters, sexual 'deviants,' those who frequented prostitutes, and people convicted of crimes who had completed their punishment..."[8] The goal was to create an elite meritocratic class which would take decision-making away from the electorate.[1][6] <<​

Twenty years later Germany would learn what kind of road that sort of hypernationalism leads down.

Perhaps they couldn't see it coming....

If you wish to compare any group to the Nazis you need to look at Islamic supremacist movement.

 

[Pogo]

As long as it is not anti-Representative republic. True democracy is no more than mob rule.

Now what history did I forget?

The part that relates to the First Amendment. Assaults on it are the main event(s) in this thread.

Those assaults are on campuses. And violent ones at that.

Nope -- this was in a state assembly; duly elected assemblymen, expelled (twice). And Debs and others jailed for personal opinions and protesting the war. And Starr was in Montana. None of these were "campuses".

 

[Pogo]

Dateline: January 7, 1920 (Actually yesterday -- got too busy to post on the day of)

>> The [143rd New York State] Legislature met for the regular session at the State Capitol in Albany on 7 January, 1920. Thaddeus C. Sweet (R) was re-elected Speaker. At the beginning of the session, the five Socialist assemblymen were suspended by Speaker Sweet, pending a trial before the Assembly Committee on the Judiciary to determine whether they were fit to take their seats. Charles Evans Hughes (Rep.) and Governor Al Smith (Dem.) condemned Speaker Sweet and the Republican majority for taking this course of action.

On 30 March, a majority of 7 members of the 13-member Judiciary Committee recommended the expulsion the five Socialists. Minority reports recommended the seating of all or part of the Socialist assemblymen. In the early morning of 1 April, the five Socialist assemblymen were expelled.<< --- 1920: The New York State Assembly Refuses to Seat Five Duly Elected Socialist Assemblymen​

Later in the year after Gov. Smith ordered new elections to replace the five, all five were again elected to the same seats, whereupon three of them were again expelled. The other two were permitted to be seated but both resigned in protest.

So much for the illusion of "free and fair elections" huh.

For temporal perspective --- later that year Eugene Debs ran as a Socialist for President for the fourth time. By 1920 he had to do so while in prison, having been incarcerated under the blatantly unConstitutional "Sedition Act" of 1918 -- the same year Earnest Starr was jailed for refusing a mob's demands that he kiss an American flag.

Those who ignore their history are doomed to arrive shortly to trash this thread as per usual.

For more temporal perspective this was the same time the infamous Palmer Raids were going on (November 1919 - January 1920) rounding up suspected leftists and anarchists for deportation -- on the basis of political beliefs. It was the era just after the Nazi-esque National Security League had been campaigning, in its lust for hypernationalism, to ban the teaching of foreign language in schools, especially German, and just before the equally fascistic Ku Klux Klan spread nationwide with its mantra of "100% Americanism". It was the time (1918) when the national anthem started appearing at all-white baseball games. In short, nationalism frothing at the mouth.

First Amendment didn't see a lot of defense in these times.

The program of the NSL eerily mirrored that of both the Klan and later the fascists of Nazi Germany:

>> Under the guise of encouraging the teaching of American history, the league worked to eliminate the teaching of foreign languages (especially German, and later Russian). It encouraged physical education in the schools as a means of "strengthening American manhood" for war.[6] By advocating civil defense, the League proselytized for more defense spending and a stronger national military.[1][6] But "Americanism" and universal conscription were not meant to merely strengthen the military but also to weed out "religious or political dissenters, sexual 'deviants,' those who frequented prostitutes, and people convicted of crimes who had completed their punishment..."[8] The goal was to create an elite meritocratic class which would take decision-making away from the electorate.[1][6] <<​

Twenty years later Germany would learn what kind of road that sort of hypernationalism leads down.

Perhaps they couldn't see it coming....

If you wish to compare any group to the Nazis you need to look at Islamic supremacist movement.

I 'need' so such thing. I have them right here in our own history, and I just posted it. DEAL with that.

And I know you didn't because you couldn't have read all that in two minutes.

NOR does any of this, even though it's all about the First Amendment, relate to any religion in any of the cases cited. Again had you actually READ the post that would have dawned on you before you dug yourself into a hole.

 

[Pogo]

As predicted, right on time.......

Dateline: January 7, 1920 (Actually yesterday -- got too busy to post on the day of)

>> The [143rd New York State] Legislature met for the regular session at the State Capitol in Albany on 7 January, 1920. Thaddeus C. Sweet (R) was re-elected Speaker. At the beginning of the session, the five Socialist assemblymen were suspended by Speaker Sweet, pending a trial before the Assembly Committee on the Judiciary to determine whether they were fit to take their seats. Charles Evans Hughes (Rep.) and Governor Al Smith (Dem.) condemned Speaker Sweet and the Republican majority for taking this course of action.

On 30 March, a majority of 7 members of the 13-member Judiciary Committee recommended the expulsion the five Socialists. Minority reports recommended the seating of all or part of the Socialist assemblymen. In the early morning of 1 April, the five Socialist assemblymen were expelled.<< --- 1920: The New York State Assembly Refuses to Seat Five Duly Elected Socialist Assemblymen​

Later in the year after Gov. Smith ordered new elections to replace the five, all five were again elected to the same seats, whereupon three of them were again expelled. The other two were permitted to be seated but both resigned in protest.

So much for the illusion of "free and fair elections" huh.

For temporal perspective --- later that year Eugene Debs ran as a Socialist for President for the fourth time. By 1920 he had to do so while in prison, having been incarcerated under the blatantly unConstitutional "Sedition Act" of 1918 -- the same year Earnest Starr was jailed for refusing a mob's demands that he kiss an American flag.

Those who ignore their history are doomed to arrive shortly to trash this thread as per usual.

Those halcyon days!

After a century of worldwide Communist/socialist destruction and murder, common sense clearly indicates they be outlawed.

Yeah um.... number one the Constitution of the United States of America emphatically prevents that --- First Amendment, which is entirely what the events described are about, in several different examples ---- and number two these five were duly elected in accordance with the laws of the State of New York --- TWICE.

Number three, all six subject politicians in the OP were Socialists, not "communists", number three-B those are two different things, and number three-C, both are economic systems anyway that have nothing whatever to do with "destruction" or "murder".

Other than that at least you spelled the word halcyon correctly. That's a start I guess. Might want to return to that point where you were still on the rails and start over.

1) It did then too. And yet, they were removed.

3-B) No appreciable difference. Out of the same box.

3-C) 20th Century history tells a different tale.

1 - yes, exactly my point. You want to ignore that?

3 B "they all look alike to me" is the favourite crutch of those who can't deal with nuance; It is the wages of the Hasty Generalization fallacy.

3 C Link?

 

[depotoo]

New York Times good enough for you?
When the Assembly Expelled Socialists for Disloyalty

Uhhh, they forgot this tidbit-


A debate on the floor took almost 24 hours and ended on April 1, 1920, with all five members expelled. Speaker Sweet was congratulated with “scores of telegrams, some from persons of prominence in the political, financial, or industrial world,” according to the account in The Times.

Messrs. Waldman, Claessens and Solomon went down, 116 to 28, with members of both parties in both camps. Messrs. DeWitt and Orr were expelled, 104 to 40.

That's very nice creative writing. Find a link for it and it will actually be real. It still won't have a point though -- you just confirmed what I reported in the OP.

 

[Lastamender]

Dateline: January 7, 1920 (Actually yesterday -- got too busy to post on the day of)

>> The [143rd New York State] Legislature met for the regular session at the State Capitol in Albany on 7 January, 1920. Thaddeus C. Sweet (R) was re-elected Speaker. At the beginning of the session, the five Socialist assemblymen were suspended by Speaker Sweet, pending a trial before the Assembly Committee on the Judiciary to determine whether they were fit to take their seats. Charles Evans Hughes (Rep.) and Governor Al Smith (Dem.) condemned Speaker Sweet and the Republican majority for taking this course of action.

On 30 March, a majority of 7 members of the 13-member Judiciary Committee recommended the expulsion the five Socialists. Minority reports recommended the seating of all or part of the Socialist assemblymen. In the early morning of 1 April, the five Socialist assemblymen were expelled.<< --- 1920: The New York State Assembly Refuses to Seat Five Duly Elected Socialist Assemblymen​

Later in the year after Gov. Smith ordered new elections to replace the five, all five were again elected to the same seats, whereupon three of them were again expelled. The other two were permitted to be seated but both resigned in protest.

So much for the illusion of "free and fair elections" huh.

For temporal perspective --- later that year Eugene Debs ran as a Socialist for President for the fourth time. By 1920 he had to do so while in prison, having been incarcerated under the blatantly unConstitutional "Sedition Act" of 1918 -- the same year Earnest Starr was jailed for refusing a mob's demands that he kiss an American flag.

Those who ignore their history are doomed to arrive shortly to trash this thread as per usual.

For more temporal perspective this was the same time the infamous Palmer Raids were going on (November 1919 - January 1920) rounding up suspected leftists and anarchists for deportation -- on the basis of political beliefs. It was the era just after the Nazi-esque National Security League had been campaigning, in its lust for hypernationalism, to ban the teaching of foreign language in schools, especially German, and just before the equally fascistic Ku Klux Klan spread nationwide with its mantra of "100% Americanism". It was the time (1918) when the national anthem started appearing at all-white baseball games. In short, nationalism frothing at the mouth.

First Amendment didn't see a lot of defense in these times.

The program of the NSL eerily mirrored that of both the Klan and later the fascists of Nazi Germany:

>> Under the guise of encouraging the teaching of American history, the league worked to eliminate the teaching of foreign languages (especially German, and later Russian). It encouraged physical education in the schools as a means of "strengthening American manhood" for war.[6] By advocating civil defense, the League proselytized for more defense spending and a stronger national military.[1][6] But "Americanism" and universal conscription were not meant to merely strengthen the military but also to weed out "religious or political dissenters, sexual 'deviants,' those who frequented prostitutes, and people convicted of crimes who had completed their punishment..."[8] The goal was to create an elite meritocratic class which would take decision-making away from the electorate.[1][6] <<​

Twenty years later Germany would learn what kind of road that sort of hypernationalism leads down.

Perhaps they couldn't see it coming....

If you wish to compare any group to the Nazis you need to look at Islamic supremacist movement.

I 'need' so such thing. I have them right here in our own history, and I just posted it. DEAL with that.

Revisionist history and a bloated opinion. That does nothing for me.

 

[Pogo]

Dateline: January 7, 1920 (Actually yesterday -- got too busy to post on the day of)

>> The [143rd New York State] Legislature met for the regular session at the State Capitol in Albany on 7 January, 1920. Thaddeus C. Sweet (R) was re-elected Speaker. At the beginning of the session, the five Socialist assemblymen were suspended by Speaker Sweet, pending a trial before the Assembly Committee on the Judiciary to determine whether they were fit to take their seats. Charles Evans Hughes (Rep.) and Governor Al Smith (Dem.) condemned Speaker Sweet and the Republican majority for taking this course of action.

On 30 March, a majority of 7 members of the 13-member Judiciary Committee recommended the expulsion the five Socialists. Minority reports recommended the seating of all or part of the Socialist assemblymen. In the early morning of 1 April, the five Socialist assemblymen were expelled.<< --- 1920: The New York State Assembly Refuses to Seat Five Duly Elected Socialist Assemblymen​

Later in the year after Gov. Smith ordered new elections to replace the five, all five were again elected to the same seats, whereupon three of them were again expelled. The other two were permitted to be seated but both resigned in protest.

So much for the illusion of "free and fair elections" huh.

For temporal perspective --- later that year Eugene Debs ran as a Socialist for President for the fourth time. By 1920 he had to do so while in prison, having been incarcerated under the blatantly unConstitutional "Sedition Act" of 1918 -- the same year Earnest Starr was jailed for refusing a mob's demands that he kiss an American flag.

Those who ignore their history are doomed to arrive shortly to trash this thread as per usual.

For more temporal perspective this was the same time the infamous Palmer Raids were going on (November 1919 - January 1920) rounding up suspected leftists and anarchists for deportation -- on the basis of political beliefs. It was the era just after the Nazi-esque National Security League had been campaigning, in its lust for hypernationalism, to ban the teaching of foreign language in schools, especially German, and just before the equally fascistic Ku Klux Klan spread nationwide with its mantra of "100% Americanism". It was the time (1918) when the national anthem started appearing at all-white baseball games. In short, nationalism frothing at the mouth.

First Amendment didn't see a lot of defense in these times.

The program of the NSL eerily mirrored that of both the Klan and later the fascists of Nazi Germany:

>> Under the guise of encouraging the teaching of American history, the league worked to eliminate the teaching of foreign languages (especially German, and later Russian). It encouraged physical education in the schools as a means of "strengthening American manhood" for war.[6] By advocating civil defense, the League proselytized for more defense spending and a stronger national military.[1][6] But "Americanism" and universal conscription were not meant to merely strengthen the military but also to weed out "religious or political dissenters, sexual 'deviants,' those who frequented prostitutes, and people convicted of crimes who had completed their punishment..."[8] The goal was to create an elite meritocratic class which would take decision-making away from the electorate.[1][6] <<​

Twenty years later Germany would learn what kind of road that sort of hypernationalism leads down.

Perhaps they couldn't see it coming....

If you wish to compare any group to the Nazis you need to look at Islamic supremacist movement.

I 'need' so such thing. I have them right here in our own history, and I just posted it. DEAL with that.

And I know you didn't because you couldn't have read all that in two minutes.

NOR does any of this, even though it's all about the First Amendment, relate to any religion in any of the cases cited. Again had you actually READ the post that would have dawned on you before you dug yourself into a hole.

Revisionist history and a bloated opinion. That does nothing for me.

Apparently neither does actually reading something you want to reply to so that you know what you're replying TO.

What part is "revisionist"?

Ruh roh. Now you're actually going to have to READ the posts. Poor you.

 

[Pogo]

New York Times good enough for you?
When the Assembly Expelled Socialists for Disloyalty

Uhhh, they forgot this tidbit-


A debate on the floor took almost 24 hours and ended on April 1, 1920, with all five members expelled. Speaker Sweet was congratulated with “scores of telegrams, some from persons of prominence in the political, financial, or industrial world,” according to the account in The Times.

Messrs. Waldman, Claessens and Solomon went down, 116 to 28, with members of both parties in both camps. Messrs. DeWitt and Orr were expelled, 104 to 40.

That's very nice creative writing. Find a link for it and it will actually be real. It still won't have a point though -- you just confirmed what I reported in the OP.

Was it such a painful chore that you couldn't attribute it in the first place?

Is it still such a painful chore that you still can't learn how the quote button works as everybody else does?

Now that we have more story, even though I had to pull teeth to get it, we still have no legal basis. Five duly elected officials, expelled for "disloyalty" ------------------- without any evidence at all OF such "disloyalty".

It does add a colorful component that in the course of the debate to expel, “Some even got so drunk that they had to be carried out of the Assembly chamber.”. That might explain somewhat. But it's still a blatant violation of the First Amendment and of election results completely legal in the State of New York.

Prove that wrong.

And learn how the FUCKING QUOTE BUTTON WORKS before you do, Nimrod.

 

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Oh, excuse me, for failing you, pogo.
And this argument on my quoting is stupid. I have told you, when I use the pad it the most efficient way to post above. If I use the laptop, dear, I post below. And I am in between them both these days, so at least part of the time I can keep from so taxing your brain.

New York Times good enough for you?
When the Assembly Expelled Socialists for Disloyalty

Uhhh, they forgot this tidbit-


A debate on the floor took almost 24 hours and ended on April 1, 1920, with all five members expelled. Speaker Sweet was congratulated with “scores of telegrams, some from persons of prominence in the political, financial, or industrial world,” according to the account in The Times.

Messrs. Waldman, Claessens and Solomon went down, 116 to 28, with members of both parties in both camps. Messrs. DeWitt and Orr were expelled, 104 to 40.

That's very nice creative writing. Find a link for it and it will actually be real. It still won't have a point though -- you just confirmed what I reported in the OP.

Was it such a painful chore that you couldn't attribute it in the first place?

Is it still such a painful chore that you still can't learn how the quote button works as everybody else does?

Now that we have more story, even though I had to pull teeth to get it, we still have no legal basis. Five duly elected officials, expelled for "disloyalty" ------------------- without any evidence at all OF such "disloyalty".

It does add a colorful component that in the course of the debate to expel, “Some even got so drunk that they had to be carried out of the Assembly chamber.”. That might explain somewhat. But it's still a blatant violation of the First Amendment and of election results completely legal in the State of New York.

Prove that wrong.

And learn how the FUCKING QUOTE BUTTON WORKS before you do, Nimrod.