This Country May Have Become the First in the World to Ban Islam

[protectionist]

Jeez, what do you have to do in order to become the most despised group in a fucking place like Angola? Nice work Islam. That religion has quite the knack for making friends across the globe.

I agree with you completely, only with the one point that I don't consider Islam a religion.

Islam is a religion alright - as well as being an all embracing totalitarian political ideology.

Worship an imaginary deity? Check

Build places of worship? Check

Have a ¨Holy Book'? Check

Produce 'clerics'? Check

Exploit the gullible and feeble minded? Check

Yep - Islam is just as much a religion as is Christianity.

NONSENSE!

Religion - a system of beliefs, with a code of ethics. (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th ed.)

Code of "ethics" ? Islam is a gigantic pile of UNethics (murder, rape, wife-beating, severe discrimination against women, gays, apostates, non-Muslims, etc, pedophilia, slavery, torture/mutilation. animal cruelty, totalitarianism, etc)

Islam is about as alike to being a religion as an ocean is to a desert.

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/0...s-tax-status-2

http://www.islam-watch.org/iw/aboutus.html

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina40811.htm

See many MORE LINKS to Islam-NOT a religion, in Post # 72.

 

[protectionist]

Martin Niemöller

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Thats why we should stop the Muslims, before they come for you

That's why we should stop EVERYONE who's going after ANYONE for their ideas or beliefs.

NO! Like all law, it should be based on violation of law. Islam is in violation. If others are not, there's no validity or excuse to go after them.

 

[protectionist]

Excuse me. Weren't you the person who started another thread about banning Islam and claimed that the USA had already banned it? How can Angola be the first? Oh, and which religion is next on your agenda?

Islam isn't a religion. Didn't you know that ? When you get the basics down pat, maybe we'll talk then.

Nothing to stop you repeating your "Islam isn't a religion" mantra indefinitely. You may even find some people to share your opinion, even though it is devoid if any basis in fact or reason.

I've already explained WITH REASON (based on a respected dictionary definition) + supplied numerous source links, to support my contention. You've supplied NOTHING but your opinion. Whooopee!

 

[protectionist]

Thats why we should stop the Muslims, before they come for you

That's why we should stop EVERYONE who's going after ANYONE for their ideas or beliefs.

I reluctantly agree. Banning ideas, even evil ideas, never works.

Which is why Germany, for example, is mistaken to make 'holocaust denial' a crime.

Islam should not be banned. It should be carefully monitored and denied any special privileges such as tax breaks

Islam is ALREADY banned. By the Constitution (Article 6, Section 2 - the Supremacy Clause) and US Codes 2384 & 2385. And Islam is more than an "idea". It is PEOPLE. It is MONEY and POLITICAL INFLUENCE. It is ORGANIZATIONS with buildings and projects. It is terrorism and Islamization.

 

[protectionist]

That's why we should stop EVERYONE who's going after ANYONE for their ideas or beliefs.

I reluctantly agree. Banning ideas, even evil ideas, never works.

Which is why Germany, for example, is mistaken to make 'holocaust denial' a crime.

Islam should not be banned. It should be carefully monitored and denied any special privileges such as tax breaks

Then all should be denied these "special privileges such as tax breaks" you are speaking of.

The more you talk, the more you sound like a Muslim stealth jihadist. To a Tee.

 

[protectionist]

I am beginning to think you are seriously confused. Can you make up your mind? Where does it say Islam is banned? The only thing I see is that the Federal government has the final word when it comes to law.

18 USC § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
Did you notice it says persons and not religions?

18 USC § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government
Again please tell me where it states religions.

You keep saying Islam is not a religion in direct contradiction to the dictionary. They pray to a god named Allah and have religious practices.

Religion:

1. Are you blind ? I posted the Supremacy Clause (that's where Isalm is banned) with the pertinent part in bold. Clean your glasses.

2. Ever notice Islam is made up of "persons". Imams who conduct Islamic sermons in mosques. Business owners who make rules Islamically (ex. Lina Morales case). Muslim cab drivers who refuse rides to people with alchohol or dogs. Muslims who bully universities into installing footwashing basins. That's Islam > Persons. And Islam is not a religion. Have you been following this thread ?

3. Actually, it is the dictionary that onfirms that Islam is NOT a religion. Mine (Websters New World College Dictionary, 4th ed.) defines a religion as a system of beliefs, with a code of ethics. It further defines ethics as a MORAL code.

So if you define Islam with all its UNethics**, with all its IMMORALITIES, with all its ILLEGALITES, a religion, then you must not put too much faith in this Websters dictionary.

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Dude... all that says is that Sharia Law will never be tolerated over Civil Law. It says NOTHING about believing (or not) in any of the ancient stories, including The Koran.

There are also a few lines in there guaranteeing freedom of ideas and beliefs.

As long as Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Witches, Satanists, etc., etc., etc., don't try to impose their faith through the Civil Code, there's nothing to discuss.

If you don't think that Muslims try to IMPOSE Islam through the civil code or anyway they can, then you're not even close to being ready for this thread.

EARTH TO AVG-JOE: Are you familiar with the Muslim Brotherhood's Explanatory Memorandum of May 22, 1991 ? Are you familiar with the US vs Holy Land Foundation trial pf 2007/2008 ? Are you familiar with the dozens (if not hundreds) of Muslim Brotherhood front groups in America (as defined by the US Justice Dept), composed of hundreds of thousands of Muslims ?

And NO, that is NOT all that says. The dictionary definition says that religions have a code of ethics and are rooted in morality. Islam is utter IMmorality. It is UNethics. It clearly is NOT a religion. See post #s 72 and 141.

 

[protectionist]

I reluctantly agree. Banning ideas, even evil ideas, never works.

Which is why Germany, for example, is mistaken to make 'holocaust denial' a crime.

Islam should not be banned. It should be carefully monitored and denied any special privileges such as tax breaks

Then all should be denied these "special privileges such as tax breaks" you are speaking of.

If 'all' means 'all religions'. then YES.

NO. As it is with all law, what is done is done for a reason, not some silly blanket policy. Italy denies religious tax privilege to Islam. They don't deny that privilege to Catholics and Jews. The REASON is because they consider Catholics and Jews to be religions, and they don't acknowledge Islam to be a religion.

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/...d-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status-2

 

[Peterf]

I agree with you completely, only with the one point that I don't consider Islam a religion.

Islam is a religion alright - as well as being an all embracing totalitarian political ideology.

Worship an imaginary deity? Check

Build places of worship? Check

Have a ¨Holy Book'? Check

Produce 'clerics'? Check

Exploit the gullible and feeble minded? Check

Yep - Islam is just as much a religion as is Christianity.

NONSENSE!

Religion - a system of beliefs, with a code of ethics. (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th ed.)

Code of "ethics" ? Islam is a gigantic pile of UNethics (murder, rape, wife-beating, severe discrimination against women, gays, apostates, non-Muslims, etc, pedophilia, slavery, torture/mutilation. animal cruelty, totalitarianism, etc)

Islam is about as alike to being a religion as an ocean is to a desert.

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/0...s-tax-status-2

http://www.islam-watch.org/iw/aboutus.html

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina40811.htm

See many MORE LINKS to Islam-NOT a religion, in Post # 72.

By your reasoning Christianity ceased to be a religion when the inquisition started burning people alive. And force has been used by both Catholics and Protestants to make people belive that the bible is 'the word of god'. Many religions have adopted extremely unethical practises and remained religions.

I detest and abhor Islam but see no need to employ sophistry in a vain attempt to deny it is a religion. You are of course welcome to your own opinion but I doubt if many will share it.

 

[longknife]

My goodness, protectionist, I certainly admire the amount of time, thought, and effort you put into the above posts.

Sadly, you should know it's a futile waste of time! In spite of logical postings, you are NEVER going to change the illogical minds of ragheads.

 

[protectionist]

Islam is a religion alright - as well as being an all embracing totalitarian political ideology.

Worship an imaginary deity? Check

Build places of worship? Check

Have a ¨Holy Book'? Check

Produce 'clerics'? Check

Exploit the gullible and feeble minded? Check

Yep - Islam is just as much a religion as is Christianity.

NONSENSE!

Religion - a system of beliefs, with a code of ethics. (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th ed.)

Code of "ethics" ? Islam is a gigantic pile of UNethics (murder, rape, wife-beating, severe discrimination against women, gays, apostates, non-Muslims, etc, pedophilia, slavery, torture/mutilation. animal cruelty, totalitarianism, etc)

Islam is about as alike to being a religion as an ocean is to a desert.

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/0...s-tax-status-2

http://www.islam-watch.org/iw/aboutus.html

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina40811.htm

See many MORE LINKS to Islam-NOT a religion, in Post # 72.

By your reasoning Christianity ceased to be a religion when the inquisition started burning people alive. And force has been used by both Catholics and Protestants to make people belive that the bible is 'the word of god'. Many religions have adopted extremely unethical practises and remained religions.

I detest and abhor Islam but see no need to employ sophistry in a vain attempt to deny it is a religion. You are of course welcome to your own opinion but I doubt if many will share it.

I would say that centuries ago, when Christianity went astray, killing people, then sure it ceased to be a religion. Problem with Islam is it has never stopped killing people AND, unlike Christianity, its DOCTRINE advocates (if not demands) killing (in addition to a list of other vile immoralities)

To call Islam a religion, is like calling a desert an ocean.

 

[protectionist]

My goodness, protectionist, I certainly admire the amount of time, thought, and effort you put into the above posts.

Sadly, you should know it's a futile waste of time! In spite of logical postings, you are NEVER going to change the illogical minds of ragheads.

The ragheads show up every time I start an OP. That's OK. It's kind of like flies and ants at a picnic.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Then all should be denied these "special privileges such as tax breaks" you are speaking of.

If 'all' means 'all religions'. then YES.

NO. As it is with all law, what is done is done for a reason, not some silly blanket policy. Italy denies religious tax privilege to Islam. They don't deny that privilege to Catholics and Jews. The REASON is because they consider Catholics and Jews to be religions, and they don't acknowledge Islam to be a religion.

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/...d-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status-2

So... as long as a politician has a 'good reason' to create favoritism and blatant discrimination within in a civil code it's o.k.?

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[AVG-JOE]

Thank (insert your preferred Deity here) that we have The US Constitution standing between us and that kind of thinking, eh boys and girls?

I'm still ready to bet anyone a dollar that, as more and more excluded groups use it to establish political and economic fairness, extremist conservatives will, before this century is half over, grow to HATE The Constitution that they claim now to treasure so.

True Story!​

 

[AVG-JOE]

My goodness, protectionist, I certainly admire the amount of time, thought, and effort you put into the above posts.

Sadly, you should know it's a futile waste of time! In spite of logical postings, you are NEVER going to change the illogical minds of ragheads.

The ragheads show up every time I start an OP. That's OK. It's kind of like flies and ants at a picnic.

It's not the ragheads that attract the flies... it's the bullshit.

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[AVG-JOE]

What a WASTE of a perfectly good thread post.

Banning religion, ANY religion, is against The US Constitution, and I defy you to prove otherwise.

As long as The Constitution stands, the misguided dream of banning Islam from the world will never come true.

Thank (insert your preferred Deity here) for FREEDOM!

Just come stupidly tumbling in here, without reading the thread, right Mr. Clueless ? I've only answered this lamebrain "point" about 100 times in here already, starting with Post # 5, and continuing right up to the present.

1. Islam is not a religion.

2. US Constitution Article 6, Section 2, the Supremacy Clause bans Islam (a supremacist ideology, masquerading as a religion)

3. If FREEDOM is your preference, then you cannot support Islam which bans freedom.

That's your opinion... a judgement call on your part, if you will.

I refuse to live with you judging me, and you apparently have issues with my judging you. With that in mind, we have two and only two choices: Fight to the death so that one of us can install our own version of totalitarianism, or some form of tolerance - forced if not voluntary.



Thank (insert your preferred Deity here) for The US Constitution and, at least in your case, forced tolerance.

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[AVG-JOE]

I would agree with you except for the fact that they do their share of liquidating people who aren't of their faith.

So... create Civil Laws concerning murder and abuse and let religious freedom reign.

Banning beliefs and ideas is NEVER a good idea.

Why?​

Because I guarantee that YOUR beliefs are on somebody's list.

If you had an all this organized in your mind you would be babbling nonsense here.

No, OUR beliefs are not on somebody's list to be banned, unless there is a REASON for it. With Islam there IS a reason. It is supremacist, and thereby violates the Constitution (Article 6, Section 2) It's aslo seditionist, and violates US Codes 2384 & 2385.

All these things are done BY LAW. Not by someone jumping in here, and mindlessly equivocating things that don't equivocate.

Bullshit. My beliefs (which are as far from Islam as they are from the other ancient story inviting the heathen masses to worship The God of Abraham known as The New Testament) are certainly on the lists of some out there, and trust me - especially with your "my way or the highway" attitude about your Christian beliefs, yours would be made illegal by some if they could be.

Now... aren't you glad you live in a country where 51% of the people can't tell the other 49% how to think?

 

[AVG-JOE]

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because they were killing Jews.
Then the came for the Christians and I did not speak out because they were slaughtering Christians.
Then the came for the women and gays. I did not speak out because they were beheading women and gays.
When they came for me, no one spoke out because I deserved my fate.

See I fixed it for you.

That's pretty arrogant. Just who the fuck made you jury, judge and executioner? (a.k.a. 'God')

What's you're problem with what he (Katzndogs) said ? What are you ? Some ragheady loon with a bloody knife in your hand looking for more British soldiers to kill ?
Or some Muslim nutjob who fires somebody from their job, because they brought a Bacon sandwich to lunch ? Get lost creep!

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In other words... "I've got nothing, man. Debating you is too difficult." "Go away and leave me to post my bullshit unchallenged!"


Grow the fuck up, dude.

 

[AVG-JOE]

How do you feel about Muslims who knock down churches?

The same way way I feel about Christians who knock down Mosques...

Maybe that's because you never read the Koran. Maybe you never read any of the protection books and research/reports/ Maybe because you have no idea what you're talking about. Or maybe because you're a Muslim jihadist yourself ? (??????)

No... it's because I'm a grown up who understands the difference between murderous acts which are, and should be, illegal, and assholier-than-thou thoughts, opinions, and beliefs which, while disgusting in my humble opinion, are perfectly legal. And should be.

How can you possibly defend a call for a robust Thought Police Force?

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[syrenn]

Thats why we should stop the Muslims, before they come for you

Ouch.

There may be a kernel of truth in such an observation.

No.

That kernel of "truth" is the fallacy that leads to genocide.

it could also mean ... live by the jihad...die by the jihad.

 

[editec]

Islam is a religion like any other...

I do not recall Jesus of Nazareth nor Guatama Buddha teaching that it was OK to kill in the name of God, or to defend other co-religionists, or to advance the cause of The Faith; embedding such commentaries directly within their sacred writings; or to lie to Unbelievers; or to practice polygamy, or a hundred other most UN-godly teachings.

"...Islam in the west is of western culture..."

Rubbish. It is merely an Arabic belief-system transplanted (most imperfectly) into The West; as a latter-day and largely UN-welcome development.

If course do remember that Christianity is an ASIATIC religious belief system transplanted (most imperfectly) into The West; as a latter-day and largely UN-welcome development, too.



It was welcomed in the West, you say?

Tell that to the Greco-romans, Celts, Vikings, Jans, etc etc etc.