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Ahh l the government handlers of these trolls are REALLY getting desperate this truth about reagan is being exposed the way they sent them here so QUICKLY after my last post to troll this thread.the truth hurts i see.
maybe you can grow up kid and stop being afraid to read the book.
you always demostrate to everyone on these boards your hypocrisy.thanks for giving me ammunition to destroy your lover reagan talking about the CIA
He fired Fords appointe CIA director and futuer president George Bush sr and brought in Stansfield Turner who immediately cleaned house getting rid of all CIA covert specialists and reformed the CIA.soon as Carter got out of office,Reagan got in,fired Turner and replaced him with William Casey who made the CIA happy again returning them to their ways of covert secret operations and dirty tricks again. as always,in your desperate attempts to defend your lover and cousin reagan,all you did was prove FOR me,how he was evil and corrupt unlike carter.
Like JFK, Reagan took a bullet for trying to go against the establishment
Or did that never happen?
Hey dumbfuck Reagan cousin,i took you to school on this once before,better bone up on memory courses and your reading comprehension skills caus i already told you this.
yeah he took a bullet for ORIGINALLY in his first two months of office, going against the establishment like JFK did.
Like JFK in his FIRST two months in office,he was like JFK,going against the establishment,like JFK,he also was trying to get the word out about UFO's to the american people,but AFTER he took the bullet,his policys DRAMATICALLY changed for the worse for the american people .
He THEN started serving wall street and the establishment being their willing puppet seving them instead of the american people.
They fired a warning shot at Carter not trying to kill him.just to warn him.Its not near as well known as reagans is because it wasnt shown all over the news everywhere like reagans has been over the years. The CIA found about about carter trying to get rid of them so they fired a warning shot at him in his last year in office when he got serious about trying to get rid of them.He then backed off.
They sent a message to him,-we know what your doing,stop it or you will suffer the same fate kennedy did.carter caved in.so did reagan after the assassian.BOTH of them became willing puppets for the establishment.they were not brave like JFK was.Kennedy knew they were plotting against him,but he wasnt a coward like reagan and carter were.HE nebver became their puppet like they did and went to his grave serving the american people instead of wall street liek your lover reagan and carter did.
oh and nice game of dodgeball form you as always,dodging how reagan served the establishment firing carters appointee Turner from the CIA who cleaned that organization up,and brought in dirty tricks specialist Casey.miserable fail as always.
again you really shold do yourself a favor,all you ever do hereis HELP me prove how your an idiot retard.
Reagan was fearful of an atomic war and when Gorby offered Reagan a deal, Reagan grabbed it. Stalin would not have offered the deal but Gorby did, and what American president since Hoover would not have also grabbed the USSR offer?
What we might remember is that Marxian communism had no chance of ever lasting. The USSR dropped it a few years after their revolution, also America fought the USSR every step of the way except when America needed the Russians to fight Hitler.
The end result of the war, the USSR economic system and America's long battle resulted in Gorby's deal, and while I'm no Reagan fan at least he recognized a deal when offereed.
Reagan was "Fearful"
LOL
He put Pershing II and Minutemen Missiles in Europe because he was "Fearful"
LOL
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yeah and if you were not such a dubfuck troll who worship reagan,you would see your bias and understand that because of those actions of Regan,he PROLONGED THE COLD WAR instead of ending it dumdfuck.
Reagan was "Fearful"
LOL
He put Pershing II and Minutemen Missiles in Europe because he was "Fearful"
LOL
I Love That Story - YouTube
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yeah and if you were not such a dubfuck troll who worship reagan,you would see your bias and understand that because of those actions of Regan,he PROLONGED THE COLD WAR instead of ending it dumdfuck.
Well maybe Reagan wasn't fearful of war even an atomic war, I mean Reagan served during WWII, he made movies and after some studio work would go home and get tucked in for the night. I bet he thought: Gee wars ain't so bad but tomorrow another tough day at the studio.
Can someone explain how Putin and Cheney are any different?
Can someone explain how Putin and Cheney are any different?
Can someone explain how Putin and Cheney are any different?
So...I brought up some examples of Democrats endorsing communists, and you felt obliged to provide the usual attempt at equivalence that evil uses to mitigate their side/actions.
How predictable.
Reagan was "Fearful"
LOL
He put Pershing II and Minutemen Missiles in Europe because he was "Fearful"
LOL
I Love That Story - YouTube
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yeah and if you were not such a dubfuck troll who worship reagan,you would see your bias and understand that because of those actions of Regan,he PROLONGED THE COLD WAR instead of ending it dumdfuck.
Well maybe Reagan wasn't fearful of war even an atomic war, I mean Reagan served during WWII, he made movies and after some studio work would go home and get tucked in for the night. I bet he thought: Gee wars ain't so bad but tomorrow another tough day at the studio.
Can someone explain how Putin and Cheney are any different?
So...I brought up some examples of Democrats endorsing communists, and you felt obliged to provide the usual attempt at equivalence that evil uses to mitigate their side/actions.
How predictable.
Shows who really won WWII
Our Republican Party now worships Russian dictators
Did we....really?
Or are we the victims of hugely successful manipulation by the Soviets, tied to politicians, weak of mind and/or character?
Were we fighting the Nazis, with the aid of our Soviet ally?
Or were these two 'bad cop- good cop' playing the rubes of America?
Rather than prove your case by referring to 'historians' or 'textbooks,' let's look at the final result.
1. Background on the two "mortal enemies," Communists and Nazis.
A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...."
NYTimes, November 27, 1925.
a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.
b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists."
Vladimir Bukovsky.
2. When Hitler began his advances on other countries, Stalin refused to join the nations talking of stopping him. Stalin was, in fact, pleased that Hitler was destroying the old order throughout Europe. "There will be no parliaments, no trade unions, no armies, no governments....then Stalin will come as the liberator...millions of people will be sitting in concentration camps, hoping someone will liberate them, then Stalin and the Red Army will come and liberate them. That was his plan."
Vladimir Bukovsky.
3. But Hitler didn't have the supplies nor resources he needed, so August 23, 1939, Soviet Russia' Foreign Minister Molotov signs the Nazi-Soviet Non-aggression Pact while German Foreign Minister Von Ribbentrop and Soviet leader Josef Stalin look on, while standing under a portrait of Lenin materials to be provided in later economic agreements.
4. September 1, 1939, Hitler attacked Poland....on September 17, Stalin attacks from the East. The Soviet radio transmitter in Minsk guided the Nazi bombers attacking Polish cities. Newsreel footage showed the Red Army in Nazi helmets, marching side by side with the SS. One photo shows the hammer and sickle along side the swastika.
a. The Soviet press depicted the battle as a fight against Polish fascism, with the peace-loving Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union fighting aggressive Polish fascism.
5. Hitler and Stalin signed secret protocols to divide up Europe. First, Stalin moved against Finland, November 1939....for the aggression, the USSR was expelled from the League of Nations. Hitler attacked to the West.
a. Norway was invaded with the direct help of the Soviet Union, providing the Soviet naval base near Murmansk. "German Admiral Raeder sent a letter of thanks to the Commander of the Soviet Navy, Kuznetsov."
6. Viktor Suvorov " is a Soviet Army Cold War-era Soviet military intelligence officer who defected to the United Kingdom, eventually becoming a famous writer and historian." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In his 2008 "The Chief Culprit: Stalin's Grand Design to Start World War II," Suvorov explains that Stalin materially assisted Nazi Germany in its aggression so that the Soviet Union could intervene at the proper time and seize all of continental Europe for itself. Hopefully, Germany and the West would exhaust themselves fighting each other.
So....their doctrines were essentially the same, they attacked the same targets, they used the same methods of governance....and agreed to split Europe between themselves.
Stalin 'used' Hitler....but expected to, ultimately,overpower him.
The aim of communism was, and is, world domination.
7. Move forward:
The war ended with the Soviet military occupation of half of Europe. There is no possible argument that could conclude that Joseph Stalin was any better than Adolph Hitler. None. Yet, "Nazi" produces a visceral response. "Communist," none such.
Yet many answer the title of the OP with "democracy won."
8. Lies, cover-up, censorship by American leaders cloud the true nature of the victory of WWII.
"This [the results of WWII] was, after all, the Kremlin dream, the Communist grail. Now it was real, its headquarters rising in concrete and steel over Turtle Bay in New York City, brought into existence by a bevy of Soviet agents lodged deep in the vitals of the United States and other Western governments.....Think about what [Harry] Hopkins, [Alger] Hiss and [Harry Dexter] White actually accomplished."
West, "American Betrayal," p.255.
9. "Thus the world found itself in 1945 at the conclusion of catastrophe with a whole series of international institutions- ranging from commercial agreements , to exchange rates, to war credits and loans, to the administration of territories without governments, to the ambulating world without citizenship, to the United Nations itself- which had been imposed by the United States. But even more important was the fact that all the "charters" and constitutions of these world institutions had been composed by America's leading Soviet agents."
Gregor Dallas, "1945: The War That Never Ended," p. 413-414
10. In a letter to FDR, dated January 29, 1943, Ambassador (to Moscow) William Bullitt warned Roosevelt about what would happen if he continued pursuing the policies of appeasement toward Stalin that formed the foundation of the American war strategy. He pleaded with FDR not to 'permit our war to prevent Nazi domination of Europe to be turned into a war to establish Soviet domination of Europe.' He predicted the Soviet annexation of half of Europe; George Kennan identified that letter as the earliest warning of what would be the result of FDR's policies.
"For the President Personal & Secret: Correspondence Between Franklin D. Roosevelt and William C. Bullitt," Orville H. Bullitt, p. 575-590
FDR replied: "Bill, I don't dispute your facts, they are accurate, I don't dispute the logic of your reasoning. I have just had a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man. Harry [Hopkins] says he's not and that he doesn't want anything in the world but security for his country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace."
William C. Bullitt, "How We Won The War and Lost The Peace," Life Magazine, August 30, 1948, p. 94
So....who won WWII?
Please "prove your case by referring to 'historians' or 'textbooks,'"
Your suggestion to not do so is as sensible as review committees by non-scientists of scientific findings.
I love Americans who can´t distinguish their libs from Soviet socialism. So cute! Leave it alone. It has nothing to do with that liberalism. They were that liberal, homosexuality earned you five years of labor camp - the dream of every gay.Did we....really?
Or are we the victims of hugely successful manipulation by the Soviets, tied to politicians, weak of mind and/or character?
Were we fighting the Nazis, with the aid of our Soviet ally?
Or were these two 'bad cop- good cop' playing the rubes of America?
Rather than prove your case by referring to 'historians' or 'textbooks,' let's look at the final result.
1. Background on the two "mortal enemies," Communists and Nazis.
A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...."
NYTimes, November 27, 1925.
a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.
b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists."
Vladimir Bukovsky.
2. When Hitler began his advances on other countries, Stalin refused to join the nations talking of stopping him. Stalin was, in fact, pleased that Hitler was destroying the old order throughout Europe. "There will be no parliaments, no trade unions, no armies, no governments....then Stalin will come as the liberator...millions of people will be sitting in concentration camps, hoping someone will liberate them, then Stalin and the Red Army will come and liberate them. That was his plan."
Vladimir Bukovsky.
3. But Hitler didn't have the supplies nor resources he needed, so August 23, 1939, Soviet Russia' Foreign Minister Molotov signs the Nazi-Soviet Non-aggression Pact while German Foreign Minister Von Ribbentrop and Soviet leader Josef Stalin look on, while standing under a portrait of Lenin materials to be provided in later economic agreements.
4. September 1, 1939, Hitler attacked Poland....on September 17, Stalin attacks from the East. The Soviet radio transmitter in Minsk guided the Nazi bombers attacking Polish cities. Newsreel footage showed the Red Army in Nazi helmets, marching side by side with the SS. One photo shows the hammer and sickle along side the swastika.
a. The Soviet press depicted the battle as a fight against Polish fascism, with the peace-loving Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union fighting aggressive Polish fascism.
5. Hitler and Stalin signed secret protocols to divide up Europe. First, Stalin moved against Finland, November 1939....for the aggression, the USSR was expelled from the League of Nations. Hitler attacked to the West.
a. Norway was invaded with the direct help of the Soviet Union, providing the Soviet naval base near Murmansk. "German Admiral Raeder sent a letter of thanks to the Commander of the Soviet Navy, Kuznetsov."
6. Viktor Suvorov " is a Soviet Army Cold War-era Soviet military intelligence officer who defected to the United Kingdom, eventually becoming a famous writer and historian." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In his 2008 "The Chief Culprit: Stalin's Grand Design to Start World War II," Suvorov explains that Stalin materially assisted Nazi Germany in its aggression so that the Soviet Union could intervene at the proper time and seize all of continental Europe for itself. Hopefully, Germany and the West would exhaust themselves fighting each other.
So....their doctrines were essentially the same, they attacked the same targets, they used the same methods of governance....and agreed to split Europe between themselves.
Stalin 'used' Hitler....but expected to, ultimately,overpower him.
The aim of communism was, and is, world domination.
7. Move forward:
The war ended with the Soviet military occupation of half of Europe. There is no possible argument that could conclude that Joseph Stalin was any better than Adolph Hitler. None. Yet, "Nazi" produces a visceral response. "Communist," none such.
Yet many answer the title of the OP with "democracy won."
8. Lies, cover-up, censorship by American leaders cloud the true nature of the victory of WWII.
"This [the results of WWII] was, after all, the Kremlin dream, the Communist grail. Now it was real, its headquarters rising in concrete and steel over Turtle Bay in New York City, brought into existence by a bevy of Soviet agents lodged deep in the vitals of the United States and other Western governments.....Think about what [Harry] Hopkins, [Alger] Hiss and [Harry Dexter] White actually accomplished."
West, "American Betrayal," p.255.
9. "Thus the world found itself in 1945 at the conclusion of catastrophe with a whole series of international institutions- ranging from commercial agreements , to exchange rates, to war credits and loans, to the administration of territories without governments, to the ambulating world without citizenship, to the United Nations itself- which had been imposed by the United States. But even more important was the fact that all the "charters" and constitutions of these world institutions had been composed by America's leading Soviet agents."
Gregor Dallas, "1945: The War That Never Ended," p. 413-414
10. In a letter to FDR, dated January 29, 1943, Ambassador (to Moscow) William Bullitt warned Roosevelt about what would happen if he continued pursuing the policies of appeasement toward Stalin that formed the foundation of the American war strategy. He pleaded with FDR not to 'permit our war to prevent Nazi domination of Europe to be turned into a war to establish Soviet domination of Europe.' He predicted the Soviet annexation of half of Europe; George Kennan identified that letter as the earliest warning of what would be the result of FDR's policies.
"For the President Personal & Secret: Correspondence Between Franklin D. Roosevelt and William C. Bullitt," Orville H. Bullitt, p. 575-590
FDR replied: "Bill, I don't dispute your facts, they are accurate, I don't dispute the logic of your reasoning. I have just had a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man. Harry [Hopkins] says he's not and that he doesn't want anything in the world but security for his country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace."
William C. Bullitt, "How We Won The War and Lost The Peace," Life Magazine, August 30, 1948, p. 94
So....who won WWII?
"The simple fact is that we never won the Cold War as decisively as we should have.
Yes, the Berlin Wall fell, and the Soviet Union collapsed. This removed the military threat to the West, and the most hardcore, economic Marxism suffered a blow as a credible alternative. However, one of the really big mistakes we made after the Cold War ended was to declare that Socialism was now dead, and thus no longer anything to worry about.
Here we are, nearly a generation later, discovering that Marxist rhetoric and thinking have penetrated every single stratum of our society, from the Universities to the media. Islamic terrorism is explained as caused by “poverty, oppression and marginalization,” a classic, Marxist interpretation."
Gates of Vienna: Political Correctness — The Revenge of Marxism
I love Americans who can´t distinguish their libs from Soviet socialism. So cute! Leave it alone. It has nothing to do with that liberalism. They were that liberal, homosexuality earned you five years of labor camp - the dream of every gay.Did we....really?
Or are we the victims of hugely successful manipulation by the Soviets, tied to politicians, weak of mind and/or character?
Were we fighting the Nazis, with the aid of our Soviet ally?
Or were these two 'bad cop- good cop' playing the rubes of America?
Rather than prove your case by referring to 'historians' or 'textbooks,' let's look at the final result.
1. Background on the two "mortal enemies," Communists and Nazis.
A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...."
NYTimes, November 27, 1925.
a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.
b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists."
Vladimir Bukovsky.
2. When Hitler began his advances on other countries, Stalin refused to join the nations talking of stopping him. Stalin was, in fact, pleased that Hitler was destroying the old order throughout Europe. "There will be no parliaments, no trade unions, no armies, no governments....then Stalin will come as the liberator...millions of people will be sitting in concentration camps, hoping someone will liberate them, then Stalin and the Red Army will come and liberate them. That was his plan."
Vladimir Bukovsky.
3. But Hitler didn't have the supplies nor resources he needed, so August 23, 1939, Soviet Russia' Foreign Minister Molotov signs the Nazi-Soviet Non-aggression Pact while German Foreign Minister Von Ribbentrop and Soviet leader Josef Stalin look on, while standing under a portrait of Lenin materials to be provided in later economic agreements.
4. September 1, 1939, Hitler attacked Poland....on September 17, Stalin attacks from the East. The Soviet radio transmitter in Minsk guided the Nazi bombers attacking Polish cities. Newsreel footage showed the Red Army in Nazi helmets, marching side by side with the SS. One photo shows the hammer and sickle along side the swastika.
a. The Soviet press depicted the battle as a fight against Polish fascism, with the peace-loving Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union fighting aggressive Polish fascism.
5. Hitler and Stalin signed secret protocols to divide up Europe. First, Stalin moved against Finland, November 1939....for the aggression, the USSR was expelled from the League of Nations. Hitler attacked to the West.
a. Norway was invaded with the direct help of the Soviet Union, providing the Soviet naval base near Murmansk. "German Admiral Raeder sent a letter of thanks to the Commander of the Soviet Navy, Kuznetsov."
6. Viktor Suvorov " is a Soviet Army Cold War-era Soviet military intelligence officer who defected to the United Kingdom, eventually becoming a famous writer and historian." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In his 2008 "The Chief Culprit: Stalin's Grand Design to Start World War II," Suvorov explains that Stalin materially assisted Nazi Germany in its aggression so that the Soviet Union could intervene at the proper time and seize all of continental Europe for itself. Hopefully, Germany and the West would exhaust themselves fighting each other.
So....their doctrines were essentially the same, they attacked the same targets, they used the same methods of governance....and agreed to split Europe between themselves.
Stalin 'used' Hitler....but expected to, ultimately,overpower him.
The aim of communism was, and is, world domination.
7. Move forward:
The war ended with the Soviet military occupation of half of Europe. There is no possible argument that could conclude that Joseph Stalin was any better than Adolph Hitler. None. Yet, "Nazi" produces a visceral response. "Communist," none such.
Yet many answer the title of the OP with "democracy won."
8. Lies, cover-up, censorship by American leaders cloud the true nature of the victory of WWII.
"This [the results of WWII] was, after all, the Kremlin dream, the Communist grail. Now it was real, its headquarters rising in concrete and steel over Turtle Bay in New York City, brought into existence by a bevy of Soviet agents lodged deep in the vitals of the United States and other Western governments.....Think about what [Harry] Hopkins, [Alger] Hiss and [Harry Dexter] White actually accomplished."
West, "American Betrayal," p.255.
9. "Thus the world found itself in 1945 at the conclusion of catastrophe with a whole series of international institutions- ranging from commercial agreements , to exchange rates, to war credits and loans, to the administration of territories without governments, to the ambulating world without citizenship, to the United Nations itself- which had been imposed by the United States. But even more important was the fact that all the "charters" and constitutions of these world institutions had been composed by America's leading Soviet agents."
Gregor Dallas, "1945: The War That Never Ended," p. 413-414
10. In a letter to FDR, dated January 29, 1943, Ambassador (to Moscow) William Bullitt warned Roosevelt about what would happen if he continued pursuing the policies of appeasement toward Stalin that formed the foundation of the American war strategy. He pleaded with FDR not to 'permit our war to prevent Nazi domination of Europe to be turned into a war to establish Soviet domination of Europe.' He predicted the Soviet annexation of half of Europe; George Kennan identified that letter as the earliest warning of what would be the result of FDR's policies.
"For the President Personal & Secret: Correspondence Between Franklin D. Roosevelt and William C. Bullitt," Orville H. Bullitt, p. 575-590
FDR replied: "Bill, I don't dispute your facts, they are accurate, I don't dispute the logic of your reasoning. I have just had a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man. Harry [Hopkins] says he's not and that he doesn't want anything in the world but security for his country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace."
William C. Bullitt, "How We Won The War and Lost The Peace," Life Magazine, August 30, 1948, p. 94
So....who won WWII?
"The simple fact is that we never won the Cold War as decisively as we should have.
Yes, the Berlin Wall fell, and the Soviet Union collapsed. This removed the military threat to the West, and the most hardcore, economic Marxism suffered a blow as a credible alternative. However, one of the really big mistakes we made after the Cold War ended was to declare that Socialism was now dead, and thus no longer anything to worry about.
Here we are, nearly a generation later, discovering that Marxist rhetoric and thinking have penetrated every single stratum of our society, from the Universities to the media. Islamic terrorism is explained as caused by “poverty, oppression and marginalization,” a classic, Marxist interpretation."
Gates of Vienna: Political Correctness — The Revenge of Marxism
Your government. They also love his Machiavellianism.10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”
Your government. They also love his Machiavellianism.10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”
