There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming at an unprecedented rate. Human activity is the principal cause.

[Frankeneinstein]

The evidence still stands. The Earth is getting warmer and human combustion of fossil fuels is the primary cause.

Mars is getting warmer...see if ya can figure out how that trumps your claim.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What is the punishment for driving a car that produces a lot of CO2?

Well, you can get where you're going in a safe, reliable manner.
Plenty of room and towing capacity.
Refueling in minutes.

 

[Crick]

Well, you can get where you're going in a safe, reliable manner.
Plenty of room and towing capacity.
Refueling in minutes.

So, no punishment. So, no force.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So, no punishment. So, no force.

So, virtue signaling waste of time.

 

[Crick]

So, virtue signaling waste of time.

Eventually, though, there will be no ICE vehicles available. That won't be virtue signaling. That will be the end of GHG emissions from the transportation sector.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Eventually, though, there will be no ICE vehicles available. That won't be virtue signaling. That will be the end of GHG emissions from the transportation sector.

Eventually, though, there will be no ICE vehicles available.

Because of government force?

 

[abu afak]

Because of government force?

Here AGAIN/Every time, ToddsterPoofette is a DISHONEST ONE-LINE HARASSMENT TROLL.
(oft 5 or so words with a question mark, as he can't be bothered - and no real knowledge- to Refute anything)
He has NO life and No reason for Posting except Baiting from his Wheelchair for some tiny detail.
`

 

[Crick]

Eventually, though, there will be no ICE vehicles available.

Because of government force?

Because manufacturers will have stopped producing them.

 

[abu afak]

Because of government force?

Here AGAIN/Every time, ToddsterPoofette is a DISHONEST ONE-LINE HARASSMENT TROLL.
(oft 5 or so words with a question mark, as he can't be bothered - and no real knowledge- to Refute anything)
He has NO life and No reason for Posting except Baiting from his Wheelchair for some tiny detail.
`

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because manufacturers will have stopped producing them.

Because the government forced them?

 

[Oldestyle]

I will take progress of any size and nature.

The US is the second largest emitter.

The Paris Accords do not require any specific mitigating action by signatories .

So, read the text below and educate yourself.

From the Wikipedia article on "The Paris Agreement"

The Paris Agreement's long-term temperature goal is to keep the rise in mean global temperature to well below 2 °C (3.6 °F) above pre-industrial levels, and preferably limit the increase to 1.5 °C (2.7 °F), recognizing that this would substantially reduce the effects of climate change. Emissions should be reduced as soon as possible and reach net-zero by the middle of the 21st century.[3] To stay below 1.5 °C of global warming, emissions need to be cut by roughly 50% by 2030. This is an aggregate of each country's nationally determined contributions.[4]

It aims to help countries adapt to climate change effects, and mobilize enough finance. Under the agreement, each country must determine, plan, and regularly report on its contributions. No mechanism forces a country to set specific emissions targets, but each target should go beyond previous targets. In contrast to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, the distinction between developed and developing countries is blurred, so that the latter also have to submit plans for emission reductions.

The agreement was lauded by world leaders, but criticized as insufficiently binding by some environmentalists and analysts. There is debate about the effectiveness of the agreement. While current pledges under the Paris Agreement are insufficient for reaching the set temperature goals, there is a mechanism of increased ambition. The Paris Agreement has been successfully used in climate litigation forcing countries and an oil company to strengthen climate action. On 4 July 2022, the Supreme Federal Court of Brazil recognized the Paris agreement as a human rights treaty.[5][6]

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Nationally determined contributions​

Countries determine themselves what contributions they should make to achieve the aims of the treaty. As such, these plans are called nationally determined contributions (NDCs).[54] Article 3 requires NDCs to be "ambitious efforts" towards "achieving the purpose of this Agreement" and to "represent a progression over time".[54] The contributions should be set every five years and are to be registered by the UNFCCC Secretariat.[55] Each further ambition should be more ambitious than the previous one, known as the principle of 'progression'.[56] Countries can cooperate and pool their nationally determined contributions. The Intended Nationally Determined Contributions pledged during the 2015 Climate Change Conference are converted to NDCs when a country ratifies the Paris Agreement, unless they submit an update.[57][58]

The Paris Agreement does not prescribe the exact nature of the NDCs. At a minimum, they should contain mitigation provisions, but they may also contain pledges on adaptation, finance, technology transfer, capacity building and transparency.[59] Some of the pledges in the NDCs are unconditional, but others are conditional on outside factors such as getting finance and technical support, the ambition from other parties or the details of rules of the Paris Agreement that are yet to be set. Most NDCs have a conditional component.[60]

While the NDCs themselves are not binding, the procedures surrounding them are. These procedures include the obligation to prepare, communicate and maintain successive NDCs, set a new one every five years, and provide information about the implementation.[61] There is no mechanism to force[62] a country to set a NDC target by a specific date, nor to meet their targets.[63][64] There will be only a name and shame system[65] or as János Pásztor, the former U.N. assistant secretary-general on climate change, stated, a "name and encourage" plan.[66]

So when you take all of the flowery language away Crick and get right down to brass tacks? What you're saying is that we've signed an "agreement" where we increase the cost of our energy drastically because we go "green" while China keeps on increasing the number of coal fired plants that they use giving them cheaper energy which they then use to dominate us economically? So the Paris Accord does NOTHING to lower CO2 emissions worldwide but it DOES give China EXACTLY what it wants? Who would sign something THAT stupid?

 

[Oldestyle]

Naming and shaming. What is the punishment for driving a car that produces a lot of CO2?

God are you naive! You think China gives a shit if you "name and shame" them? They are rolling on the floor in laughter over that concept! Does "naming and shaming" them over their use of slave labor make them stop doing it? Yet you think it WILL when they don't live up to vague promises in an accord that has zero penalties for non compliance?

 

[Crick]

God are you naive! You think China gives a shit if you "name and shame" them?

No, I don't. I never said I did. I think the leadership in China accepts the conclusions of mainstream science.

They are rolling on the floor in laughter over that concept!

The naivete here is you thinking that the people that negotiated the Paris Accords weren't aware that they had no enforcement.

Does "naming and shaming" them over their use of slave labor make them stop doing it? Yet you think it WILL when they don't live up to vague promises in an accord that has zero penalties for non compliance?

As I said, unlike you, they accept the science and are doing what they can and when that's not clear, what they choose to do. Just like all the rest of us.

 

[Jessica-stormlover]

 

[Crick]

So when you take all of the flowery language away Crick and get right down to brass tacks? What you're saying is that we've signed an "agreement" where we increase the cost of our energy drastically because we go "green" while China keeps on increasing the number of coal fired plants that they use giving them cheaper energy which they then use to dominate us economically? So the Paris Accord does NOTHING to lower CO2 emissions worldwide but it DOES give China EXACTLY what it wants? Who would sign something THAT stupid?

It works because, unlike you and your brethren here, the bulk of the planet accepts the conclusions of mainstream science and thus they accept and understand that AGW is a threat to our future with which we must deal.

 

[EMH]

they accept the science

There is Science and there is "the science."

"The science" is about parroting conflicted liars.

Science is about outing conflicted liars with TRUTH.

 

[Crick]

There is Science and there is "the science."

"The science" is about parroting conflicted liars.

Science is about outing conflicted liars with TRUTH.

Science is about the evidence. This is not evidence. This is your uninformed opinion.

 

[EMH]

Science is about the evidence. This is not evidence. This is your uninformed opinion.

Evidence = DATA =

highly correlated satellite and balloon DATA showing NO WARMING in the atmosphere despite rising Co2
No breakout in Canes
No ocean rise
No ongoing net ice melt
No warming in the oceans

ONLY warming on the surface of GROWING URBAN AREAS

 

[Redfish]

The evidence that the Earth is warming and carbon dioxide is increasing at rates not seen in millenia is overwhelming. Arguments that such evidence is manufactured are rationally unsound and unsupported by any evidence.

Climate Change Evidence: How Do We Know?

The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia.

climate.nasa.gov

Global temperatures are rising
The ocean is getting warmer
The ice sheets are shrinking
Glaciers are retreating
Snow cover is decreasing
Sea level is rising
Arctic sea ice is declining
Extreme events are increasing in frequency
Ocean acidification is increasing

"Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that Earth’s climate responds to changes in greenhouse gas levels. Ancient evidence can also be found in tree rings, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks. This ancient, or paleoclimate, evidence reveals that current warming is occurring roughly 10 times faster than the average rate of warming after an ice age. Carbon dioxide from human activities is increasing about 250 times faster than it did from natural sources after the last Ice Age." [Emphasis mine]

IPCC Sixth Assessment Report, WG1, Chapter 2
Vostok ice core data; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record
Gaffney, O.; Steffen, W. (2017). "The Anthropocene Equation," The Anthropocene Review (Volume 4, Issue 1, April 2017), 53-61.

horseshit, total unadulterated horseshit.

 

[Redfish]

Eventually, though, there will be no ICE vehicles available. That won't be virtue signaling. That will be the end of GHG emissions from the transportation sectorwhee

where is all the electricity to recharge all those batteries going to come from? Hmmmmm?