There is a direct link from the democrat party policies and gun crime in the U.S.

[2aguy]

Nashville is doing what you have to do to reduce their gun crime rate...they are targeting actual criminals who use guns illegally.......and getting results...of course.....the ones making that difference are the Federal Prosecutors...since Nashville has been run by democrats going back at least as far as 1938........

Nashville....democrat party control since before 1938.......a real gun problem...

Report: Tennessee gun violence is getting worse

Tennessee has a serious gun violence problem that continues to get worse, according to a new report released Monday.

Safe Tennessee Project calls gun violence a "public health crisis" and says an average of 3.4 Tennesseans are killed with guns every day.

"Last year, 1,246 Tennesseans were shot and killed – the highest number on record,” reads the report. It goes on to say "the rate of gun death in Tennessee is significantly higher than the U.S. average."

List of mayors of Nashville, Tennessee - Wikipedia



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A prosecutor focusing on actual gun criminals, not normal citizens......since the democrat party policies are driving the crime rate....

Federal time is real time, and they are often sent out of state to serve their sentences, separating them from their families and gangs .......... a big difference..

Federal firearms charges on the rise as Nashville cracks down on gun crime

But progress was being made months before that. Two years ago, almost to this day, Don Cochran was appointed as the United States Attorney for the Middle District of Tennessee. His goal was simply put, but not so simple to enact.
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Prosecutors remain aggressive as felon in possession charges are on the rise. In the first year Cochran took over, prosecutions doubled– from 90 federal offenders charged to 180 federal offenders charged.

This year, Cochran’s office is on track to exceed 200 defendants charged with federal firearms violations. “We like to charge the people who have displayed a real potential for violence and we do that by looking at their past record,” said Cochran.


"Project Safe Nashville," Nashville's Largest-Ever Interagency Effort to Fight Gun Crime

“The core, full-time mission of the group is to use state-of-the-art ballistic science and intelligence gathering to identify violent criminals who pose the most danger to Nashville citizens, and then work closely with prosecutors at the federal and local levels to ensure that these felons are held accountable for their actions,” Chief Anderson said.

MNPD’s Crime Gun Unit will work closely with the U.S. Attorney’s office and the District Attorney’s office to support investigations and court proceedings that ensue from arrests made in gun crime cases. Two additional prosecutors have been added to the U.S. Attorney’s office to help handle these types of violent crime cases.
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so that those suspects, once identified, can be federally prosecuted whenever possible.

 

[candycorn]

I feel that if you commit a crime while using a gun, you go away for life.

Great position to take.. Go tell that to all the states and cities that DO NOT ENFORCE existing laws to that effect.. EVEN the NRA lobbies all these entities for tougher enforcement of gun crimes and violence.. We should ALL agree on that..

But once you reach the Amber Guyger example and the crime is MURDER -- does it REALLY matter if the penalties are enhanced? The number of PROSECUTED murders are small compared to the number of "drive-bys" that IF they get apprehended -- don't face ENOUGH severe penalties for misuse of a firearm..

And in the big Blue cities, the "solution rate" to those crimes is embarrassingly small.. All the more REASON to "throw the book" at them...

I feel that if you commit a crime while using a gun, you go away for life.

Great position to take.. Go tell that to all the states and cities that DO NOT ENFORCE existing laws to that effect.. EVEN the NRA lobbies all these entities for tougher enforcement of gun crimes and violence.. We should ALL agree on that..

But once you reach the Amber Guyger example and the crime is MURDER -- does it REALLY matter if the penalties are enhanced? The number of PROSECUTED murders are small compared to the number of "drive-bys" that IF they get apprehended -- don't face ENOUGH severe penalties for misuse of a firearm..

And in the big Blue cities, the "solution rate" to those crimes is embarrassingly small.. All the more REASON to "throw the book" at them...

Amber Guyger got 10 years by the Dallas County Judge. The city of Dallas had nothing to do with it. My question to you is this... Was that an adequate sentence for Murder?

Don't know.. But I DO KNOW that I've seen this type of sentence many times before.. The FBI wants to toss PROCESS CRIME people in the slammer for more than SOME of the murder sentences I've seen..

You don’t know if 10 years for the crime of “murder” is adequate? You have zero standing to criticize anyone for being soft on crime if you can’t see that sentence is too soft.

I believe in the death penalty for murder. Amber Guyger did not murder the man she shot, it was an accident....again, please show us the motive behind the killing that would make it more than a terrible accident and make it murder.

From this case, it is apparent that unless you can show a motive for her killing the man, this was at most manslaughter and she should have her conviction over turned...it was a political case of the highest order and she recieved the wrong sentence.

As to the actual criminals.......if they use a gun for pre-meditated murder they should get the death penalty....if they use a gun for a crime, rape, robbery ....they should get life in prison. If they are a felon caught in possession of an illegal gun, they should get at least 30 years.

That is how you stop gun crime....not the democrat party policy of releasing violent criminals over and over again.....

True or false, you're the one who wants no jail time for Ms. Guyger--who shot and killed a man in his own home. If true..you seem to be the one who wants to release violent criminals onto the street.

 

[2aguy]

Okay I went back and did a quick review of links- I didn't see any studies showing a causality of gun violence due to Democratic Party policies. Everything I saw was anecdotal.

I get it- you want to blame Democrats for gun violence and don't want anyone to even consider that guns might be part of the problem. But all of the links I looked at were anecdotal accounts of violence that people claim are a result of policies.

Where is the evidence?

One of the issues I have frankly with both sides of the gun debates is the appeal to emotion rather than facts. I am in favor of gun laws- if there is evidence that the gun laws will reduce gun violence. I am in favor of tougher enforcement of laws- if there is evidence that will reduce gun violence.

I feel that if you commit a crime while using a gun, you go away for life.

Great position to take.. Go tell that to all the states and cities that DO NOT ENFORCE existing laws to that effect.. EVEN the NRA lobbies all these entities for tougher enforcement of gun crimes and violence.. We should ALL agree on that..

But once you reach the Amber Guyger example and the crime is MURDER -- does it REALLY matter if the penalties are enhanced? The number of PROSECUTED murders are small compared to the number of "drive-bys" that IF they get apprehended -- don't face ENOUGH severe penalties for misuse of a firearm..

And in the big Blue cities, the "solution rate" to those crimes is embarrassingly small.. All the more REASON to "throw the book" at them...

Sentences for violent crimes are way too lenient across the board.

Not sure why you guys are fixated on the cities; most often serious crimes are prosecuted by the counties; the cities have little to do with the county criminal courts.

Because there's there's little distinction when the CITY is large enough to be its own COUNTY... And LARGELY -- those are the cities we're talking about..

Sure there is. Judges for the Counties are the ones hearing these cases, not those who are elected by citizens in the city limits. Either way, if you want to be accurate (you guys have no problem spewing inaccuracies obviously), you'd rightfully state it is the counties who are doling out light sentences; as we saw with Amber Guyger. I know why you guys do it; you don't get as much "shock value" from blaming the counties as you do when you wrongfully blame cities. But honesty should be your guide.

Trials might be HELD in county courts in those places, but the laws they are enforcing on GUNS in particular are LARGELY set by the "mega - cities"... Counties in those places are just "shell representation" for the NON directly annexed residents...

Well, thanks for confirming that...except in almost all cases, the counties ARE where the punishment is being doled out or not. Cities play very little part in the jurisprudence; just the apprehension of the criminals.

Moron...those judges, in the counties.....belong to the same political parties as the ones in control of the cities...you dope....they are democrats releasing these violent criminals and the democrat party machine in the city is getting these judges elected........and the democrat party politicians at the state level are the ones creating the laws the judges are implementing....and, by the way, the democrat party prosecutors in those counties are the ones dropping the gun charges and plea bargaining for lighter sentences even with repeat gun offenders.....you dope.

 

[2aguy]

Great position to take.. Go tell that to all the states and cities that DO NOT ENFORCE existing laws to that effect.. EVEN the NRA lobbies all these entities for tougher enforcement of gun crimes and violence.. We should ALL agree on that..

But once you reach the Amber Guyger example and the crime is MURDER -- does it REALLY matter if the penalties are enhanced? The number of PROSECUTED murders are small compared to the number of "drive-bys" that IF they get apprehended -- don't face ENOUGH severe penalties for misuse of a firearm..

And in the big Blue cities, the "solution rate" to those crimes is embarrassingly small.. All the more REASON to "throw the book" at them...

Great position to take.. Go tell that to all the states and cities that DO NOT ENFORCE existing laws to that effect.. EVEN the NRA lobbies all these entities for tougher enforcement of gun crimes and violence.. We should ALL agree on that..

But once you reach the Amber Guyger example and the crime is MURDER -- does it REALLY matter if the penalties are enhanced? The number of PROSECUTED murders are small compared to the number of "drive-bys" that IF they get apprehended -- don't face ENOUGH severe penalties for misuse of a firearm..

And in the big Blue cities, the "solution rate" to those crimes is embarrassingly small.. All the more REASON to "throw the book" at them...

Amber Guyger got 10 years by the Dallas County Judge. The city of Dallas had nothing to do with it. My question to you is this... Was that an adequate sentence for Murder?

Don't know.. But I DO KNOW that I've seen this type of sentence many times before.. The FBI wants to toss PROCESS CRIME people in the slammer for more than SOME of the murder sentences I've seen..

You don’t know if 10 years for the crime of “murder” is adequate? You have zero standing to criticize anyone for being soft on crime if you can’t see that sentence is too soft.

I believe in the death penalty for murder. Amber Guyger did not murder the man she shot, it was an accident....again, please show us the motive behind the killing that would make it more than a terrible accident and make it murder.

From this case, it is apparent that unless you can show a motive for her killing the man, this was at most manslaughter and she should have her conviction over turned...it was a political case of the highest order and she recieved the wrong sentence.

As to the actual criminals.......if they use a gun for pre-meditated murder they should get the death penalty....if they use a gun for a crime, rape, robbery ....they should get life in prison. If they are a felon caught in possession of an illegal gun, they should get at least 30 years.

That is how you stop gun crime....not the democrat party policy of releasing violent criminals over and over again.....

True or false, you're the one who wants no jail time for Ms. Guyger--who shot and killed a man in his own home. If true..you seem to be the one who wants to release violent criminals onto the street.

True....I don't think she committed the intentional act of murder......at worst it is manslaughter....but with the mitigating factors she probably shouldn't serve any jail time. In her mind it was legitimate self defense.

This is a political case, and so iffy as to being a legitimate prosecution that you focus on it because you don't want to focus on the truth...that democrat party policies are driving our gun crime rate.......that is the thing you want to distract from...since it is the truth, the reality and the fact..........

 

[candycorn]

I feel that if you commit a crime while using a gun, you go away for life.

Great position to take.. Go tell that to all the states and cities that DO NOT ENFORCE existing laws to that effect.. EVEN the NRA lobbies all these entities for tougher enforcement of gun crimes and violence.. We should ALL agree on that..

But once you reach the Amber Guyger example and the crime is MURDER -- does it REALLY matter if the penalties are enhanced? The number of PROSECUTED murders are small compared to the number of "drive-bys" that IF they get apprehended -- don't face ENOUGH severe penalties for misuse of a firearm..

And in the big Blue cities, the "solution rate" to those crimes is embarrassingly small.. All the more REASON to "throw the book" at them...

Sentences for violent crimes are way too lenient across the board.

Not sure why you guys are fixated on the cities; most often serious crimes are prosecuted by the counties; the cities have little to do with the county criminal courts.

Because there's there's little distinction when the CITY is large enough to be its own COUNTY... And LARGELY -- those are the cities we're talking about..

Sure there is. Judges for the Counties are the ones hearing these cases, not those who are elected by citizens in the city limits. Either way, if you want to be accurate (you guys have no problem spewing inaccuracies obviously), you'd rightfully state it is the counties who are doling out light sentences; as we saw with Amber Guyger. I know why you guys do it; you don't get as much "shock value" from blaming the counties as you do when you wrongfully blame cities. But honesty should be your guide.

Trials might be HELD in county courts in those places, but the laws they are enforcing on GUNS in particular are LARGELY set by the "mega - cities"... Counties in those places are just "shell representation" for the NON directly annexed residents...

Well, thanks for confirming that...except in almost all cases, the counties ARE where the punishment is being doled out or not. Cities play very little part in the jurisprudence; just the apprehension of the criminals.

Moron...those judges, in the counties.....belong to the same political parties as the ones in control of the cities...you dope....they are democrats releasing these violent criminals and the democrat party machine in the city is getting these judges elected........and the democrat party politicians at the state level are the ones creating the laws the judges are implementing....and, by the way, the democrat party prosecutors in those counties are the ones dropping the gun charges and plea bargaining for lighter sentences even with repeat gun offenders.....you dope.

Strange...in 30 of the states--up until recently; the GOP controlled the governor's chair. Including Texas where Guyger was sentenced to 10 years for murder. Are some liberals too lenient on crime? Sure. But none (from what I have heard) are in favor of letting Amber Guyger completely off the hook for committing murder like you are.

 

[candycorn]

Amber Guyger got 10 years by the Dallas County Judge. The city of Dallas had nothing to do with it. My question to you is this... Was that an adequate sentence for Murder?

Don't know.. But I DO KNOW that I've seen this type of sentence many times before.. The FBI wants to toss PROCESS CRIME people in the slammer for more than SOME of the murder sentences I've seen..

You don’t know if 10 years for the crime of “murder” is adequate? You have zero standing to criticize anyone for being soft on crime if you can’t see that sentence is too soft.

I believe in the death penalty for murder. Amber Guyger did not murder the man she shot, it was an accident....again, please show us the motive behind the killing that would make it more than a terrible accident and make it murder.

From this case, it is apparent that unless you can show a motive for her killing the man, this was at most manslaughter and she should have her conviction over turned...it was a political case of the highest order and she recieved the wrong sentence.

As to the actual criminals.......if they use a gun for pre-meditated murder they should get the death penalty....if they use a gun for a crime, rape, robbery ....they should get life in prison. If they are a felon caught in possession of an illegal gun, they should get at least 30 years.

That is how you stop gun crime....not the democrat party policy of releasing violent criminals over and over again.....

True or false, you're the one who wants no jail time for Ms. Guyger--who shot and killed a man in his own home. If true..you seem to be the one who wants to release violent criminals onto the street.

True....I don't think she committed the intentional act of murder......at worst it is manslaughter....but with the mitigating factors she probably shouldn't serve any jail time. In her mind it was legitimate self defense.

This is a political case, and so iffy as to being a legitimate prosecution that you focus on it because you don't want to focus on the truth...that democrat party policies are driving our gun crime rate.......that is the thing you want to distract from...since it is the truth, the reality and the fact..........

Hmmm...do you delve into the mind of all of those you label as murderers? Of course not. I

 

[2aguy]

Great position to take.. Go tell that to all the states and cities that DO NOT ENFORCE existing laws to that effect.. EVEN the NRA lobbies all these entities for tougher enforcement of gun crimes and violence.. We should ALL agree on that..

But once you reach the Amber Guyger example and the crime is MURDER -- does it REALLY matter if the penalties are enhanced? The number of PROSECUTED murders are small compared to the number of "drive-bys" that IF they get apprehended -- don't face ENOUGH severe penalties for misuse of a firearm..

And in the big Blue cities, the "solution rate" to those crimes is embarrassingly small.. All the more REASON to "throw the book" at them...

Sentences for violent crimes are way too lenient across the board.

Not sure why you guys are fixated on the cities; most often serious crimes are prosecuted by the counties; the cities have little to do with the county criminal courts.

Because there's there's little distinction when the CITY is large enough to be its own COUNTY... And LARGELY -- those are the cities we're talking about..

Sure there is. Judges for the Counties are the ones hearing these cases, not those who are elected by citizens in the city limits. Either way, if you want to be accurate (you guys have no problem spewing inaccuracies obviously), you'd rightfully state it is the counties who are doling out light sentences; as we saw with Amber Guyger. I know why you guys do it; you don't get as much "shock value" from blaming the counties as you do when you wrongfully blame cities. But honesty should be your guide.

Trials might be HELD in county courts in those places, but the laws they are enforcing on GUNS in particular are LARGELY set by the "mega - cities"... Counties in those places are just "shell representation" for the NON directly annexed residents...

Well, thanks for confirming that...except in almost all cases, the counties ARE where the punishment is being doled out or not. Cities play very little part in the jurisprudence; just the apprehension of the criminals.

Moron...those judges, in the counties.....belong to the same political parties as the ones in control of the cities...you dope....they are democrats releasing these violent criminals and the democrat party machine in the city is getting these judges elected........and the democrat party politicians at the state level are the ones creating the laws the judges are implementing....and, by the way, the democrat party prosecutors in those counties are the ones dropping the gun charges and plea bargaining for lighter sentences even with repeat gun offenders.....you dope.

Strange...in 30 of the states--up until recently; the GOP controlled the governor's chair. Including Texas where Guyger was sentenced to 10 years for murder. Are some liberals too lenient on crime? Sure. But none (from what I have heard) are in favor of letting Amber Guyger completely off the hook for committing murder like you are.

“Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive and Dodge.”

 

[2aguy]

Left wing policies are creating gun crime problems in Canada.....where their lenient policies toward gun criminals are increasing gun crime....

Gun control extemists have tried over the years to say that the countries with gun control laws had less gun violence because of their gun control laws........and this is not true. They had less gun violence because their criminals were developmentally behind criminals in the U.S. as far as applied violence.......they are now catching up, so their gun control laws are meaningless.....

Canada is a case in point.....increased immigration from 3rd world countries where they do not share the values or culture of Canadians is leading to more gun violence, as these immigrants take over the drug trade, and use guns to enforce their territories....and attack each other over various feuds....

Also.....the Canadians are doing what the democrat party does here.....blaming guns instead of gun criminals....and refusing to treat gun criminals as the actual problem.....instead focusing on normal gun owners...which always leads to more gun crime...since normal gun owners are not the problem...

EDITORIAL: Politicians silent on street check ban increasing gun crime

The fact gang and gun violence in Toronto has skyrocketed since police were banned from doing street cheeks makes them uncomfortable, lest they be accused of racism by anti-police activists if they acknowledge it.

And so at City Hall and Queen’s Park they ignore reality, saying they’re hiring more police officers, implementing new shift schedules to more effectively deploy the force and investing more money in policing and programs to address the root causes of violence.

Despite that, since street checks were banned in 2014, the number of shootings compared to 2019 is up by 178%, victims by 218% and shooting homicides by 63%.

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Last week, recently retired police officer Sue Fisher, on the force for almost 32 years, told the Sun’s Sue-Ann Levy that the end of street checks allowed the “bad guys to take over … there’s no longer that fear (among the criminal element.)”

Today, Fisher said, officers are often running from shooting to shooting after the fact, as opposed to doing proactive policing, like street checks, to gather intelligence to prevent shootings before they occur.

Why Gun Violence Is Surging In Toronto



According to Canada's government statistics agency, gun violence overall rose by more than 40% in Canada between 2013 and 2017, with much of that increase driven by incidents in Toronto.

Toronto Police Chief Mark Saunders says that the city's recent gun violence has been connected to gang activity.

In a press conference in August, he said the Raptors incident and the August shootings "by and large have street gang connotations to them," pointing to the gang membership of the victims and those arrested. There is a thriving gang culture in Toronto centered on the illegal drug trade, largely in the city's poorer outer suburbs.

 

[harmonica]

I know this is the CDZ and they don't like conflict here......but I thought I would try to take this debate to this forum....

There is a direct link between the gun crime rates in our large, democrat party controlled cities and democrat party policies.

We do not have a gun crime problem in the United States because we have guns. We have a gun crime problem, in tiny areas of our large cities because the democrat party policies that allow repeat gun offenders out of jail on bond, and out of prison on short sentences.

If you look at these cities....D.C. St. Louis, Chicago, New York (again), Baltimore, New Orleans........ you will find stories that relate time and time again criminals with multiple gun convictions being released on bond, often now no cash bond, and out of prison on short sentences. Then, after being released, they use new illegal guns for crime and murder.

They are the ones driving the gun crime rate in these tiny areas of our cities.....not John and Jane citizen who own guns primarily for self defense, but also for hunting, sport and recreation.....

They are not the ones using the guns they own for crime and murder.....and targeting them with gun control laws will not effect the gun crime rate...as we already know and see.....

I put this in the CDZ for honest debate.........I think this is an accurate statement about our gun crime issue.

...obviously not--Dem cities NYC, Chicago and LA with strict gun control have murder rates/gun crime MUCH lower than Dem very pro gun StL Mo.......so it's OBVIOUSLY not political

 

[candycorn]

Sentences for violent crimes are way too lenient across the board.

Not sure why you guys are fixated on the cities; most often serious crimes are prosecuted by the counties; the cities have little to do with the county criminal courts.

Because there's there's little distinction when the CITY is large enough to be its own COUNTY... And LARGELY -- those are the cities we're talking about..

Sure there is. Judges for the Counties are the ones hearing these cases, not those who are elected by citizens in the city limits. Either way, if you want to be accurate (you guys have no problem spewing inaccuracies obviously), you'd rightfully state it is the counties who are doling out light sentences; as we saw with Amber Guyger. I know why you guys do it; you don't get as much "shock value" from blaming the counties as you do when you wrongfully blame cities. But honesty should be your guide.

Trials might be HELD in county courts in those places, but the laws they are enforcing on GUNS in particular are LARGELY set by the "mega - cities"... Counties in those places are just "shell representation" for the NON directly annexed residents...

Well, thanks for confirming that...except in almost all cases, the counties ARE where the punishment is being doled out or not. Cities play very little part in the jurisprudence; just the apprehension of the criminals.

Moron...those judges, in the counties.....belong to the same political parties as the ones in control of the cities...you dope....they are democrats releasing these violent criminals and the democrat party machine in the city is getting these judges elected........and the democrat party politicians at the state level are the ones creating the laws the judges are implementing....and, by the way, the democrat party prosecutors in those counties are the ones dropping the gun charges and plea bargaining for lighter sentences even with repeat gun offenders.....you dope.

Strange...in 30 of the states--up until recently; the GOP controlled the governor's chair. Including Texas where Guyger was sentenced to 10 years for murder. Are some liberals too lenient on crime? Sure. But none (from what I have heard) are in favor of letting Amber Guyger completely off the hook for committing murder like you are.

“Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive and Dodge.”

You’re the one who is for letting murderers and those convicted of gun crimes go based on what you think of them and ignoring they show someone dead in their own home.


You keep ducking that fact by ignoring that a jury—one that had a choice between manslaughter and murder—convicted her of murder.

You keep ducking the reason why you give her special consideration but just issue a blanket condemnation of other murderers.

Hmmm...I wonder why. Lol

 

[2aguy]

Because there's there's little distinction when the CITY is large enough to be its own COUNTY... And LARGELY -- those are the cities we're talking about..

Sure there is. Judges for the Counties are the ones hearing these cases, not those who are elected by citizens in the city limits. Either way, if you want to be accurate (you guys have no problem spewing inaccuracies obviously), you'd rightfully state it is the counties who are doling out light sentences; as we saw with Amber Guyger. I know why you guys do it; you don't get as much "shock value" from blaming the counties as you do when you wrongfully blame cities. But honesty should be your guide.

Trials might be HELD in county courts in those places, but the laws they are enforcing on GUNS in particular are LARGELY set by the "mega - cities"... Counties in those places are just "shell representation" for the NON directly annexed residents...

Well, thanks for confirming that...except in almost all cases, the counties ARE where the punishment is being doled out or not. Cities play very little part in the jurisprudence; just the apprehension of the criminals.

Moron...those judges, in the counties.....belong to the same political parties as the ones in control of the cities...you dope....they are democrats releasing these violent criminals and the democrat party machine in the city is getting these judges elected........and the democrat party politicians at the state level are the ones creating the laws the judges are implementing....and, by the way, the democrat party prosecutors in those counties are the ones dropping the gun charges and plea bargaining for lighter sentences even with repeat gun offenders.....you dope.

Strange...in 30 of the states--up until recently; the GOP controlled the governor's chair. Including Texas where Guyger was sentenced to 10 years for murder. Are some liberals too lenient on crime? Sure. But none (from what I have heard) are in favor of letting Amber Guyger completely off the hook for committing murder like you are.

“Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive and Dodge.”

You’re the one who is for letting murderers and those convicted of gun crimes go based on what you think of them and ignoring they show someone dead in their own home.


You keep ducking that fact by ignoring that a jury—one that had a choice between manslaughter and murder—convicted her of murder.

You keep ducking the reason why you give her special consideration but just issue a blanket condemnation of other murderers.

Hmmm...I wonder why. Lol

Her case and sentence doesn't match the facts. Juries get it wrong a lot of the time...especially in political cases which this case was.....

I giver her special consideration because her charge and verdict don't match the actual facts of the case...and that can be highlighted by your inability to provide the Motive for the crime...you know....the most basic, most important aspect of any criminal investigation, indictment and prosecution.....

You still haven't provided even the weakest motive for her allegedly murdering this guy......

Keep up the Dodging..... “Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive and Dodge.”

 

[2aguy]

I know this is the CDZ and they don't like conflict here......but I thought I would try to take this debate to this forum....

There is a direct link between the gun crime rates in our large, democrat party controlled cities and democrat party policies.

We do not have a gun crime problem in the United States because we have guns. We have a gun crime problem, in tiny areas of our large cities because the democrat party policies that allow repeat gun offenders out of jail on bond, and out of prison on short sentences.

If you look at these cities....D.C. St. Louis, Chicago, New York (again), Baltimore, New Orleans........ you will find stories that relate time and time again criminals with multiple gun convictions being released on bond, often now no cash bond, and out of prison on short sentences. Then, after being released, they use new illegal guns for crime and murder.

They are the ones driving the gun crime rate in these tiny areas of our cities.....not John and Jane citizen who own guns primarily for self defense, but also for hunting, sport and recreation.....

They are not the ones using the guns they own for crime and murder.....and targeting them with gun control laws will not effect the gun crime rate...as we already know and see.....

I put this in the CDZ for honest debate.........I think this is an accurate statement about our gun crime issue.

...obviously not--Dem cities NYC, Chicago and LA with strict gun control have murder rates/gun crime MUCH lower than Dem very pro gun StL Mo.......so it's OBVIOUSLY not political

I have shown you over and over again the policies that lead to more gun crime......democrat party policies....

And, sadly for you....you just brought up New York.....whose mayor has thrown out Republican Rudy Guilliani's crime policies and implemented democrat party policies....

And now New York gun crime is going up....

Horowitz: NY crime skyrockets, shootings up 60%, following prison reduction agenda

No ordinary citizen can legally carry a gun in New York City, yet shootings are up 59.6 percent over this time last year.

On Sunday, a pregnant woman was shot while sitting in her own car in front of her home in Queens. This is becoming the new normal in New York after the memo has gone out to criminals in the city that politicians fear growing the prison population more than they fear crime.

According to NYPD crime data, in addition to the 59.6 percent spike in shootings over this time last year, robberies increased 32.8 percent and grand larceny auto crimes were up a whopping 62.8 percent. Burglaries rose by 17 percent.

This is just for the first 26 days of 2020.

What gives? According to NYPD Commissioner Dermot Shea, it’s no mystery.

It’s all about New York’s law abolishing bail. “If you let out individuals that commit a lot of crime, that’s precision policing in reverse and we’re seeing the effects in a very quick time,” Shea said at a press conference last Friday. He decried the undeniable “correlation” between the rise in crime and the jail and prison “populations dropping significantly.”

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New York’s Thickening Cloud of Violent Crime
But judging by the state’s evolving criminal-justice landscape, empowering criminals seems like the goal.
New York State is preparing to roll out sweeping criminal-justice reforms that will prevent police and the courts from detaining people arrested and charged with serious offenses. The new rules on bail remove judicial discretion from a remarkably wide array of charges.

No one charged with a misdemeanor, for example, can be held on bail, regardless of his criminal history, gang affiliation, or evident disposition for committing more crimes. Misdemeanors in New York include assault in the third degree, causing “physical injury to another person by means of a deadly weapon or a dangerous instrument,” and reckless endangerment in the first degree, when, “evincing a depraved indifference to human life,” someone “recklessly engages in conductwhich creates a grave risk of death to another person.”


-------------In advance of January 1, when the new reforms officially come into effect, judges and prosecutors statewide have begun easing into the new regime by proactively letting remanded prisoners out of jail and by releasing newly arrested serious criminals on their own recognizance.For instance, on Friday, Tiffany Harris of Brooklyn slapped three Jewish women in the face, yelling anti-Semitic imprecations. She was arraigned on Saturday and released without bail; she was arrested for assaulting someone else on Sunday. On Saturday, Steven Haynes, a Brooklyn man lying on the sidewalk, attacked and pummeled a police officer who asked him to get up. Charged with a series of crimes, Haynes was released by a judge and was back on the street within a few hours. In Rockland County—where the Hanukkah machete attack occurred—Jorge Flores-Villalba, an unlicensed driver, killed a pedestrian on Christmas Eve and fled the scene. He was released without bail on Christmas Day.

 

[2aguy]

I know this is the CDZ and they don't like conflict here......but I thought I would try to take this debate to this forum....

There is a direct link between the gun crime rates in our large, democrat party controlled cities and democrat party policies.

We do not have a gun crime problem in the United States because we have guns. We have a gun crime problem, in tiny areas of our large cities because the democrat party policies that allow repeat gun offenders out of jail on bond, and out of prison on short sentences.

If you look at these cities....D.C. St. Louis, Chicago, New York (again), Baltimore, New Orleans........ you will find stories that relate time and time again criminals with multiple gun convictions being released on bond, often now no cash bond, and out of prison on short sentences. Then, after being released, they use new illegal guns for crime and murder.

They are the ones driving the gun crime rate in these tiny areas of our cities.....not John and Jane citizen who own guns primarily for self defense, but also for hunting, sport and recreation.....

They are not the ones using the guns they own for crime and murder.....and targeting them with gun control laws will not effect the gun crime rate...as we already know and see.....

I put this in the CDZ for honest debate.........I think this is an accurate statement about our gun crime issue.

...obviously not--Dem cities NYC, Chicago and LA with strict gun control have murder rates/gun crime MUCH lower than Dem very pro gun StL Mo.......so it's OBVIOUSLY not political

Chicago...democrat policies...

Chicago.....


Court records reveal even more men charged with murder, shootings while free on "affordable bail"

It’s been two months since Cook County Chief Judge Timothy Evans said, “it’s not by magic that we haven’t had any horrible incidents occur using this new [affordable bail] system,” during budget hearings on Nov. 4.

Since then, we’ve told you about seven different people who are currently facing murder charges for crimes that they allegedly committed while free on “affordable bail” awaiting trial for charges such as Class X felony armed violence, unlawful use of a weapon, and repeated use of a weapon by a felon.

It’s hard to fathom how Evans would conclude that those murders and shootings committed by persons on affordable bail weren’t “horrible incidents.”

Since November, our team has come across new cases in which men have been charged with killing or shooting people while on affordable bail awaiting trial for serious crimes. Here’s a look at these new “not horrible” situations:

Last February, prosecutors charged 19-year-old Armando Lopez with felony aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, felony possession of a controlled substance, and driving on a revoked license after Chicago police allegedly found a rifle in his vehicle on the 2700 block of South Kedzie. Judge David Navarro allowed Lopez to go home after posting a $500 bond.

While he was out, Lopez got another gun which he used to shoot and killed 32-year-old nurse Frank Aguilar whom he mistook for a rival gang member on Nov. 13, according to allegations in court records.

Lopez is now being held without bail.

In April 2019, prosecutors charged 24-year-old Josue Becerra with having a loaded 45-caliber handgun in his vehicle in Albany Park. Judge David Navarro released him for $200.

Then, on July 23, police were flagged down by a man who told them that three men in a red Jeep pointed a gun at him near the 4900 block of North Milwaukee. A few minutes later, officers tried to pull Becerra over as he drove a red Jeep nearby. Police say he sped away, drove in the wrong lane, and cruised onto the Kennedy Expressway before they caught up with him. He was charged with fleeing and eluding, possession of ecstasy, and multiple traffic violations.

Even though he was still on bail for the April gun violation, Judge Charles Beach let him go home by posting another $500 bond.

Finally, on Jan. 21, a couple of Chicago cops said they were doing undercover surveillance when they heard gunfire and saw Becerra run past their covert car with a gun in his hand.

Police tried to stop him, but Becerra got into a car that sped away and eventually crashed in North Center. He and the driver were immediately arrested

Horribly, the shots left a 43-year-old man in critical condition. Prosecutors charged Becerra with attempted murder, aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, aggravated battery of a police officer, and aggravated assault of a police officer. This time, he was ordered held without bail.
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Chicago...

Woman facing robbery, gun charges after Uptown hold-up; Cops eye connection with second case

Prosecutors charged 19-year-old Winter Smith with felony armed robbery with a firearm, felony unlawful possession of a firearm, and misdemeanor counts of carrying a weapon without a Firearm Owner’s ID (FOID) card and possessing ammunition without a FOID.

The terms of Smith’s bail were not immediately available on Monday evening. According to online records, she has been released from custody.
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Chief judge says there have been no "horrible incidents" under his affordable bail program. These people might disagree, if they only they were still alive.

Two years into an “affordable bail” initiative that is allowing most accused gun offenders and even accused murderers to be released from jail to await trial, Cook County’s chief judge says the program is working fabulously.
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There are likely many people who would disagree with Evans’ definition of “horrible incidents” — if they were still alive to do so.

• On Feb. 9, Daryl Williams violated the terms of a court-ordered curfew, secured an illegal handgun, and then fatally shot 45-year-old Daniel Smith in the back of the head, prosecutors allege.

Three months earlier, Judge Stephanie Miller released Williams on a recognizance bond after he was charged with illegally possessing a stolen handgun near a “shots fired” incident on the South Side.

“That was me,” Williams allegedly told police. “I let off two rounds to see if [the gun] worked.”

Williams is now being held without bail as he awaits trial for murder.

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• In August, someone fatally shot 34-year-old Neal Sumrell as he sat in his car in Humboldt Park. Someone also shot a woman who was in Sumrell’s vehicle as she tried to run away.

Prosecutors say they know who at least one of the shooters was: Antwane Lashley.

The 18-year-old who was free on a recognizance bond and electronic monitoring at the time of the shootings after cops said they caught him with an illegal handgun on the West Side in May.

Lashley was on juvenile probation for aggravated battery, causing great bodily harm at the time of his gun arrest, according to court records. He is now being held without bail as he awaits trial for murder.

• In May, prosecutors say, 30-year-old Antawan Smith murdered 15-year-old Jaylin Ellzey in a drive-by shooting. When police arrested Smith during a traffic stop two weeks later, officers reported finding a loaded handgun in his car.

At the time of the murder, Smith was free on bail while awaiting trial for Class X felony armed violence with a weapon; felony manufacture-delivery of cocaine; felony repeated unlawful use of a weapon by a felon, and felony aggravated fleeing. Smith was on parole for illegal possession of a handgun when cops arrested him on those charges in September. His bond amount? $6,000.

He’s now held without bail as he awaits trial for Ellzey’s murder and the earlier charges.

• In May 2018, a judge released 18-year-old Randy Wilson to await trial after prosecutors charged him with criminal trespass to a vehicle. But things escalated when Chicago police allegedly found him carrying a handgun illegally one month later. But, another judge released him to await trial again.

Three weeks later, a 50-year-old man told police that Wilson and three other men robbed him and two teenagers on the South Side. Police arrested Wilson and wrote in a report that he was wearing an electronic monitoring bracelet when they found him. Prosecutors charged him with two counts of attempted robbery with a firearm.

He paid a $2,500 deposit bond to get out of jail. And, of course, the judge ordered him to be on electronic monitoring which didn’t help much before.
Gunday: A look at how the courts are handling some recent weapons charges in Chicago

Near North incident

You may remember our Oct. 30 report about a Near North woman who called police because a man fired a shot through her door after she kicked him out of her apartment on the 700 block of North Dearborn.The woman called police again early on Nov. 2 after she and her brother saw the alleged offender in the first block of West Huron.Officers arrived and arrested 35-year-old Christopher Stanley after confirming that the victim identified him by name in her police report, according to court records. During a search, police allegedly found a handgun in Stanley’s possession.Prosecutors charged Stanley with being a felon in possession of a firearm but not with the alleged shooting. Judge John Lyke set bail at $5,000 and Stanley went free by posting a $500 deposit bond.In May 2002, prosecutors dropped four counts of attempted murder and four other felonies in a plea deal with Stanley. In exchange for pleading guilty to aggravated discharge of a firearm, Stanley received a sentence of eight years, court records show.
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Gun charge while on parole for a gun charge

A man who escaped an armed habitual criminal charge in a plea deal with prosecutors two years ago is now charged with being an armed habitual criminal again after police say they found him with a gun in Old Town.
Chervon Jackson, 31, was paroled in January after serving half of a four-year sentence that he received for unlawful possession of a firearm by a felon in 2017.
Then, on Nov. 3, police pulled over a car on the 1200 block of North Sedgwick because its plates were expired. Officers asked all of the vehicle’s occupants to step out of the car after the driver allegedly admitted that a drink container in the center console contained Hennessey cognac.
Seated in the passenger seat, Jackson made “furtive movements” and did not immediately step out of the car, police said. Once he was outside, police allegedly found a .45-caliber in his waistband.
Prosecutors charged him with Class X felony armed habitual criminal, felony unlawful use of a weapon, and misdemeanor obstruction of identification. In addition to the 2017 gun case, police say Jackson was also convicted of unlawful use of a weapon and burglary in 2004.
Judge Charles Beach ordered Jackson held without bail and the Illinois Department of Corrections issued a warrant for a parole violation, according to court records.

 

[2aguy]

I know this is the CDZ and they don't like conflict here......but I thought I would try to take this debate to this forum....

There is a direct link between the gun crime rates in our large, democrat party controlled cities and democrat party policies.

We do not have a gun crime problem in the United States because we have guns. We have a gun crime problem, in tiny areas of our large cities because the democrat party policies that allow repeat gun offenders out of jail on bond, and out of prison on short sentences.

If you look at these cities....D.C. St. Louis, Chicago, New York (again), Baltimore, New Orleans........ you will find stories that relate time and time again criminals with multiple gun convictions being released on bond, often now no cash bond, and out of prison on short sentences. Then, after being released, they use new illegal guns for crime and murder.

They are the ones driving the gun crime rate in these tiny areas of our cities.....not John and Jane citizen who own guns primarily for self defense, but also for hunting, sport and recreation.....

They are not the ones using the guns they own for crime and murder.....and targeting them with gun control laws will not effect the gun crime rate...as we already know and see.....

I put this in the CDZ for honest debate.........I think this is an accurate statement about our gun crime issue.

...obviously not--Dem cities NYC, Chicago and LA with strict gun control have murder rates/gun crime MUCH lower than Dem very pro gun StL Mo.......so it's OBVIOUSLY not political

More on Chicago....

Shoplifting soars as prosecutors back off

The increase comes as Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx makes a public effort to back away from retail theft prosecutions. Attorneys in Foxx’s office are instructed to not pursue felony charges against shoplifting suspects unless the value of the pilfered merchandise exceeds $1,000. That’s three times the $300 felony threshold set by state law.

Since Foxx was elected in March 2016, retail theft reports are up 20% across the city. Along the posh Rush Street shopping district, reported incidents have more than doubled. And on State Street, famed in movie and song for its shopping opportunities, retail theft cases are up 32%.

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Man fatally shot one victim, wounded another while free on recognizance bond and electronic monitoring, prosecutors say |

It’s been 18 months since Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart warned that he was “alarmed” by the number of accused gun offenders who were being released on their own recognizance, sometimes with electronic monitoring.

“This needs to get fixed quick,” Dart told the Sun-Times in Feb. 2018.

It hasn’t been fixed.

Yesterday, 18-year-old Antwane Lashley was in bond court, accused of shooting a man to death on Aug. 23. Prosecutors say he also shot and seriously wounded a woman at the same time. Lashley has been free on his own recognizance with electronic monitoring since prosecutors charged him with possessing a handgun illegally this spring.

Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle wasted no time criticizing Dart’s concerns last year.

“I believe it is our responsibility to keep these matters in context and not contribute to sensationalizing them,” Preckwinkle told Dart in a letter days later.

As recently as Friday, Preckwinkle called concerns about people committing violent crimes while free on affordable bail, a “fear tactic.” She has also defended easy bail conditions for gun possession. Some people who live in less-safe neighborhoods feel the need to carry guns for their own protection, she says.

A gun, freedom, then a murder
Around 7:30 p.m. on May 20th, cops in Humboldt Park saw Antwane Lashley walking quickly on the 3800 block of West Chicago. He saw police nearby and began running, holding his right pocket as he fled, a police spokesperson said last night.

Lashley took a handgun out of his pocket, threw it, and kept running, the spokesperson said. Officers caught him nearby while other cops retrieved the gun he allegedly threw.

Prosecutors charged Lashley with felony aggravated unlawful use of a weapon. He appeared in court the next afternoon and was set free on his own recognizance with an order to go onto electronic monitoring, according to court records.

Then, last Friday, Neal Sumrell and a woman were sitting in a car on the 4200 block of West Iowa in Humboldt Park. Around 8:15 p.m., someone walked up to their vehicle and opened fire. Sumrell, 34, was shot seven times in the upper body. He died. The woman tried to run away, police said. She was shot three times throughout her body, but managed to survive.

Lashley—on juvenile probation for aggravated battery causing great bodily harm—was arrested at his home Thursday evening, just one block from the murder scene. Police say he’s the gunman who killed Sumrell and injured the 28-year-old woman who tried to run away.

Prosecutors yesterday charged Lashley with first-degree murder, attempted first-degree murder, and aggravated battery by discharging a firearm. Judge Mary Marubio ordered him held without bail.

“Victims deserve better,” said Anthony Guglielmi, the police department’s chief communications officer early Sunday. “We are going to continue to be the voice for those who have been silenced by gun violence.”

Not the first
Lashley is hardly the first person to be accused of killing or trying to kill someone while free on the county's affordable bail program. Among similar cases reported by CWBChicago:

In May 2018, Daryl Williams was charged with fatally shooting a man in the back of the head. He was free on a recognizance bond at the time while awaiting trial for allegedly possessing a stolen firearm the previous November.

In June of last year, Carnell Morris was charged with being an armed habitual criminal after police said they found a gun in his car. He posted a $1,000 bond. Six months later, while awaiting trial for the gun case, Morris was charged with attempted murder after he allegedly shot a 51-year-old man.

Just three months ago, repeat gun offender Antawan Smith was charged with murdering a 15-year-old. He was free on a $6,000 deposit bond while awaiting trial for allegedly being an armed habitual criminal.

 

[2aguy]

I know this is the CDZ and they don't like conflict here......but I thought I would try to take this debate to this forum....

There is a direct link between the gun crime rates in our large, democrat party controlled cities and democrat party policies.

We do not have a gun crime problem in the United States because we have guns. We have a gun crime problem, in tiny areas of our large cities because the democrat party policies that allow repeat gun offenders out of jail on bond, and out of prison on short sentences.

If you look at these cities....D.C. St. Louis, Chicago, New York (again), Baltimore, New Orleans........ you will find stories that relate time and time again criminals with multiple gun convictions being released on bond, often now no cash bond, and out of prison on short sentences. Then, after being released, they use new illegal guns for crime and murder.

They are the ones driving the gun crime rate in these tiny areas of our cities.....not John and Jane citizen who own guns primarily for self defense, but also for hunting, sport and recreation.....

They are not the ones using the guns they own for crime and murder.....and targeting them with gun control laws will not effect the gun crime rate...as we already know and see.....

I put this in the CDZ for honest debate.........I think this is an accurate statement about our gun crime issue.

...obviously not--Dem cities NYC, Chicago and LA with strict gun control have murder rates/gun crime MUCH lower than Dem very pro gun StL Mo.......so it's OBVIOUSLY not political

and more on Chicago...

Top cop laments violence as 66 shot, 5 fatally, over long Fourth of July weekend


Between last Wednesday and Friday, 42 people were charged with felony gun-related offenses, he said, but only 15 remain in custody.


That lack of accountability for gun offenders has damaged the Police Department’s relationship with the communities most beset by violence, Johnson said, making victims of crimes less likely to cooperate with officers.
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“It’s not about mass incarceration. It’s not about having quotas. But when somebody has a demonstrated track record of being a violent gun offender, that should say something to the judges who are making decisions about bail. They shouldn’t be out on the street,” Lightfoot said. “We can’t keep our communities safe if people just keep cycling through the system because what that says to them is, I can do whatever I want, I can carry whatever I want, I can shoot up a crowd and I’m going to be back on the street. How does that make sense? It doesn’t.”
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/07/criminal_justice_reform_comes_home_to_roost.html
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CWB Chicago: You Be The Judge: We give you the case details. You try to guess their bail amount.

McKay was sentenced to four years for robbery in 2008; two years for aggravated unlawful use of a weapon (firearm) in 2010; seven years for being a felon in possession of a weapon (firearm) in 2012; and three years for possession of fentanyl in 2016.
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For McKay, who has two gun convictions and a robbery conviction, Willis set bail at….$5,000. McKay will need to put down a 10% deposit of $500 to go free. Willis also ordered him to go on electronic monitoring if he is released.

Some details that Willis did not know:
• McKay’s 2008 robbery conviction involved an armed carjacking. Prosecutors reduced the charge to “ordinary” robbery as part of a plea deal.• In 2012, McKay’s second gun case also included allegations that he fired the weapon. Prosecutors dropped the weapon discharge count and seven other weapons charges in a plea deal.• The 2016 drug possession charge started as allegations of manufacture-delivery of fentanyl, but, again, prosecutors pleaded that down to possession.

 

[2aguy]

I know this is the CDZ and they don't like conflict here......but I thought I would try to take this debate to this forum....

There is a direct link between the gun crime rates in our large, democrat party controlled cities and democrat party policies.

We do not have a gun crime problem in the United States because we have guns. We have a gun crime problem, in tiny areas of our large cities because the democrat party policies that allow repeat gun offenders out of jail on bond, and out of prison on short sentences.

If you look at these cities....D.C. St. Louis, Chicago, New York (again), Baltimore, New Orleans........ you will find stories that relate time and time again criminals with multiple gun convictions being released on bond, often now no cash bond, and out of prison on short sentences. Then, after being released, they use new illegal guns for crime and murder.

They are the ones driving the gun crime rate in these tiny areas of our cities.....not John and Jane citizen who own guns primarily for self defense, but also for hunting, sport and recreation.....

They are not the ones using the guns they own for crime and murder.....and targeting them with gun control laws will not effect the gun crime rate...as we already know and see.....

I put this in the CDZ for honest debate.........I think this is an accurate statement about our gun crime issue.

...obviously not--Dem cities NYC, Chicago and LA with strict gun control have murder rates/gun crime MUCH lower than Dem very pro gun StL Mo.......so it's OBVIOUSLY not political

More on Chicago........you have nothing........the democrat party policies are causing gun crime in our democrat party controlled cities....story after story, and now that New York has implemented democrat party policies....their gun crime rate is skyrocketing......showing that you have no idea what you are talking about...

Officials Address 'Vicious Cycle' Of I-Bond Violations After Violent Weekend

Many of the gun offenders arrested by Chicago police over the weekend walked out of jail on bond, without having to pay a dime.

As of Monday morning, 19 people had been arrested on gun-related charges. By Monday afternoon, 11 were back on the street, some with prior gun offenses.

“We know who a lot of these people are,” Chicago Police Supt. Eddie Johnson said. “And how do we know that? Because we keep arresting them over and over and over and over and over again. And it’s just a vicious cycle.”

In a tweet Sunday night, a Chicago police spokesperson criticized the practice of letting gun offenders out on Individual Recognizance Bonds or “I-Bonds.”
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The tweet said, in part, “Letting gun offenders out on I-Bonds shows there is absolutely no repercussion for carrying illegal guns In Chicago.”
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In a statement, an office representative said since the beginning of this year, 72% of gun related cases received monetary bail or no bond.

 

[2aguy]

I know this is the CDZ and they don't like conflict here......but I thought I would try to take this debate to this forum....

There is a direct link between the gun crime rates in our large, democrat party controlled cities and democrat party policies.

We do not have a gun crime problem in the United States because we have guns. We have a gun crime problem, in tiny areas of our large cities because the democrat party policies that allow repeat gun offenders out of jail on bond, and out of prison on short sentences.

If you look at these cities....D.C. St. Louis, Chicago, New York (again), Baltimore, New Orleans........ you will find stories that relate time and time again criminals with multiple gun convictions being released on bond, often now no cash bond, and out of prison on short sentences. Then, after being released, they use new illegal guns for crime and murder.

They are the ones driving the gun crime rate in these tiny areas of our cities.....not John and Jane citizen who own guns primarily for self defense, but also for hunting, sport and recreation.....

They are not the ones using the guns they own for crime and murder.....and targeting them with gun control laws will not effect the gun crime rate...as we already know and see.....

I put this in the CDZ for honest debate.........I think this is an accurate statement about our gun crime issue.

...obviously not--Dem cities NYC, Chicago and LA with strict gun control have murder rates/gun crime MUCH lower than Dem very pro gun StL Mo.......so it's OBVIOUSLY not political

And to drive the point home......

Man connected to Whitney Young High School carjacking is on probation for gun violation, has juvenile robbery record, more |

The man who is charged with driving the carjacked SUV of a Whitney Young High School teacher this week is on probation for possessing a handgun—a probation term that was cut in half just three weeks ago by a Cook County judge.

The CPD arrest report that documents the capture of Nicholas Williams on Tuesday says cops and federal agents found Williams “in possession” of a loaded 9-millimeter handgun with a defaced serial number. But, a source with knowledge of the case told CWBChicago tonight that the gun was “ditched” and weapons charges could not be approved.

The Cook County State’s Attorney’s Office did not immediately respond to an after-hours email seeking comment.

Court records show that in Aug. 2017 Williams was charged with felony unlawful use of a weapon for allegedly carrying a handgun in the front of his waistband during a traffic stop on the West Side. Police said in a report that the gun had been reported stolen one month earlier.

A grand jury returned a 12 felony count true bill against Williams. But the Cook County State’s Attorney dropped all charges on May 3, 2018.

Five months after that case was dropped, Williams was charged with a new set of eight weapons felonies for allegedly carrying a handgun in the front of his waistband while riding his bike on the West Side.

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Last month, Judge Maria Kuriakos-Ciesil sentenced Williams to two year’s probation, 30 hours of community service and 175 days time served in the case.

His attorneys asked for a reduced sentence and, on April 29th, Kuriakos-Ciesil granted the motion by reducing Williams’ punishment to one year of TASC probation and 30 hours of community service.

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14 year old shot two men, released without bond or home confinement...


Cook County, IL: 14-Year-Old Charged With Shooting Two, Freed Without Supervision - The Truth About Guns

Welcome to Cook County, Illinois, where crime often has no meaningful consequences. Between a State’s Attorney’s Office reluctant to file charges and judges who mollycoddles defendants, Chicagoland has become the modern Wild West.

Case in point: a 14-year-old who (reportedly) shot and tried to kill two in a nice uptown neighborhood was released by a judge Friday to his parent with no bond – not even electronic home monitoring.


The Cook County judge claims the police failed to bring this suspected would-be gang killer (pictured above, right) in front of a judge quickly enough. So the judge, in order to penalize the police, released the kid without conditions other than to report to court next week.

Of course, the judge is really only penalizing the community as the accused certainly missed his calling as a choir boy.

The police, on the other hand, said they had concerns about the young man’s safety. Police released images of the suspects to the media in an effort to identify them and the media published them.

The Chicago mainstream media refer to the accused as a “boy.” Even though this “boy”reportedly shot one man in the back, abdomen, buttocks and groin and the other in the head.
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[2aguy]

I know this is the CDZ and they don't like conflict here......but I thought I would try to take this debate to this forum....

There is a direct link between the gun crime rates in our large, democrat party controlled cities and democrat party policies.

We do not have a gun crime problem in the United States because we have guns. We have a gun crime problem, in tiny areas of our large cities because the democrat party policies that allow repeat gun offenders out of jail on bond, and out of prison on short sentences.

If you look at these cities....D.C. St. Louis, Chicago, New York (again), Baltimore, New Orleans........ you will find stories that relate time and time again criminals with multiple gun convictions being released on bond, often now no cash bond, and out of prison on short sentences. Then, after being released, they use new illegal guns for crime and murder.

They are the ones driving the gun crime rate in these tiny areas of our cities.....not John and Jane citizen who own guns primarily for self defense, but also for hunting, sport and recreation.....

They are not the ones using the guns they own for crime and murder.....and targeting them with gun control laws will not effect the gun crime rate...as we already know and see.....

I put this in the CDZ for honest debate.........I think this is an accurate statement about our gun crime issue.

...obviously not--Dem cities NYC, Chicago and LA with strict gun control have murder rates/gun crime MUCH lower than Dem very pro gun StL Mo.......so it's OBVIOUSLY not political

More contributing factors...the democrat party policy of attacking the police.....

Study: Chicago homicides spiked due to ACLU police decree

Cassell and Fowles have studied the spike of homicides in Chicago in 2016. Through multiple regression analysis and other tools, they conclude that an ACLU consent decree triggered a sharp reduction in stop and frisks by the Chicago Police Department, which in turn caused homicides to spike. In other words, what Chicago police officers call the“ACLU effect” is real. That effect was more homicides and shootings.

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Detailed regression analysis of the homicide (and related shooting) data strongly supports what visual observation suggests. Using monthly data from 2012 through 2016, we are able to control for such factors as temperature, homicides in other parts of Illinois, 9-1-1 calls (as a measure of police-citizen cooperation), and arrests for various types of crimes.


Even controlling for these factors, our equations indicate that the steep decline in stop and frisks was strongly linked, at high levels of statistical significance, to the sharp increase in homicides (and other shooting crimes) in 2016.

Cassell and Fowles then searched for other possible factors that might be responsible for the Chicago homicide spike. None fit the data as well as the decline in stop and frisks.

Cassell and Fowles quantified the costs of the decline in stop and frisks in human and financial terms.


They found that, because of fewer stop and frisks in 2016, a conservative estimate is that approximately 236 additional homicides and 1115 additional shootings occurred during that year.


A reasonable estimate of the social costs associated with these additional homicides and shootings is about $1,500,000,000. And these costs are heavily concentrated in Chicago’s African-American and Hispanic communities.

 

[2aguy]

I know this is the CDZ and they don't like conflict here......but I thought I would try to take this debate to this forum....

There is a direct link between the gun crime rates in our large, democrat party controlled cities and democrat party policies.

We do not have a gun crime problem in the United States because we have guns. We have a gun crime problem, in tiny areas of our large cities because the democrat party policies that allow repeat gun offenders out of jail on bond, and out of prison on short sentences.

If you look at these cities....D.C. St. Louis, Chicago, New York (again), Baltimore, New Orleans........ you will find stories that relate time and time again criminals with multiple gun convictions being released on bond, often now no cash bond, and out of prison on short sentences. Then, after being released, they use new illegal guns for crime and murder.

They are the ones driving the gun crime rate in these tiny areas of our cities.....not John and Jane citizen who own guns primarily for self defense, but also for hunting, sport and recreation.....

They are not the ones using the guns they own for crime and murder.....and targeting them with gun control laws will not effect the gun crime rate...as we already know and see.....

I put this in the CDZ for honest debate.........I think this is an accurate statement about our gun crime issue.

...obviously not--Dem cities NYC, Chicago and LA with strict gun control have murder rates/gun crime MUCH lower than Dem very pro gun StL Mo.......so it's OBVIOUSLY not political

And St. Louis....as you have been shown over and over, their gun crime rate is directly linked to democrat party policies....

Mayor of St. Louis - Wikipedia

Soros-Funded St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner Refuses to Charge Killer of 7-Year-Old Child Despite Suspect's Confession

Last week a suspect was arrested in the fatal shooting of 7-year-old Xavier Usanga in north St. Louis last Monday evening.

According to KSDK Usanga was shot and killed while playing outside of his Hyde Park home Monday, according to St. Louis Metro Police Cheif John Hayden. An 18-year-old man standing nearby was injured in the backyard of the Usangas’ home, in the 3500 block of North 14th Street, just after 5 p.m. Monday evening.

The suspect confessed to the shooting that killed 7-year-old Usanga.


But when they brought this confession and evidence to the St. Louis City’s circuit attorney’s office Kim Gardner threw it out.

Gardner said based on current evidence she was not able to determine who was responsible for the child’s death.

Again… The suspect confessed to the crime but that was not enough for this radical lunatic in the Circuit Attorney’s Office.
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Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

 

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Great position to take.. Go tell that to all the states and cities that DO NOT ENFORCE existing laws to that effect.. EVEN the NRA lobbies all these entities for tougher enforcement of gun crimes and violence.. We should ALL agree on that..

But once you reach the Amber Guyger example and the crime is MURDER -- does it REALLY matter if the penalties are enhanced? The number of PROSECUTED murders are small compared to the number of "drive-bys" that IF they get apprehended -- don't face ENOUGH severe penalties for misuse of a firearm..

And in the big Blue cities, the "solution rate" to those crimes is embarrassingly small.. All the more REASON to "throw the book" at them...

Sentences for violent crimes are way too lenient across the board.

Not sure why you guys are fixated on the cities; most often serious crimes are prosecuted by the counties; the cities have little to do with the county criminal courts.

Because there's there's little distinction when the CITY is large enough to be its own COUNTY... And LARGELY -- those are the cities we're talking about..

Sure there is. Judges for the Counties are the ones hearing these cases, not those who are elected by citizens in the city limits. Either way, if you want to be accurate (you guys have no problem spewing inaccuracies obviously), you'd rightfully state it is the counties who are doling out light sentences; as we saw with Amber Guyger. I know why you guys do it; you don't get as much "shock value" from blaming the counties as you do when you wrongfully blame cities. But honesty should be your guide.

Trials might be HELD in county courts in those places, but the laws they are enforcing on GUNS in particular are LARGELY set by the "mega - cities"... Counties in those places are just "shell representation" for the NON directly annexed residents...

Well, thanks for confirming that...except in almost all cases, the counties ARE where the punishment is being doled out or not. Cities play very little part in the jurisprudence; just the apprehension of the criminals.

You're quite a contortionist here Candy.. I copped to some trials MIGHT be held in County courts, but the SENTENCING AND THE LAWS in these Mega counties are gonna be UNIFORMLY the laws of the Mega city. And no discretion beyond that would apply...

No...

County laws and ordinances are laws and ordinances enacted by the County Commissioner's office.

Municipal laws and ordinances are laws and ordinances enacted by the City or Municipality.

County courts are county courts....

City courts are city courts...

Not sure why this concept is so hard for some to understand.

You want to discuss -- we can discuss.. But it's TOTALLY IRRELEVANT EVEN if I accepted your faulty premise that MOST violent guns are prosecuted in the county rather than the megacity.. This is patently false..

It's ALSO totally irrelevant to the ASSERTION of the political bent of the county being DIFFERENT from the city... Cook County as well as Chicago is DEEP DEEP Blue... And so this whole squabble means nothing here..


If you want to continue -- please answer the following questions..

When there's dead and injured bodies on the streets of Chicago -- who gets called to respond? Cook county sheriffs or Chicago police??

Who does the investigation and recommendations to charge? Cook County sheriffs or Chicago police?.

Who actually FILES the charges and decides if the violations are MUNICIPAL or State crimes? Cook County Circuit prosecutors or Chicago prosecutors?

THE ONLY LIKELY REASON for moving a trial to Cook County circuit court is IF there are STATE CRIMES alleged in the indictment...

If you can not or will not answer those questions and do not ACCEDE to the fact that in the case of these deep blue mega cities, THEY are the DRIVERS of law in their ALSO deep blue counties -- you really don't have anything to discuss here..