I know this is the CDZ and they don't like conflict here......but I thought I would try to take this debate to this forum....
There is a direct link between the gun crime rates in our large, democrat party controlled cities and democrat party policies.
We do not have a gun crime problem in the United States because we have guns. We have a gun crime problem, in tiny areas of our large cities because the democrat party policies that allow repeat gun offenders out of jail on bond, and out of prison on short sentences.
If you look at these cities....D.C. St. Louis, Chicago, New York (again), Baltimore, New Orleans........ you will find stories that relate time and time again criminals with multiple gun convictions being released on bond, often now no cash bond, and out of prison on short sentences. Then, after being released, they use new illegal guns for crime and murder.
They are the ones driving the gun crime rate in these tiny areas of our cities.....not John and Jane citizen who own guns primarily for self defense, but also for hunting, sport and recreation.....
They are not the ones using the guns they own for crime and murder.....and targeting them with gun control laws will not effect the gun crime rate...as we already know and see.....
I put this in the CDZ for honest debate.........I think this is an accurate statement about our gun crime issue.
Causation vs Correlation – What’s the difference
Causality is an area that is frequently misunderstood and it can be notoriously difficult to infer causation between two variables without doing a randomized controlled experience. Furthermore, correlation can be a useful measure but has limitations as it is usually associated with measuring a linear relationship. But understanding that correlation does not imply causation and knowing the difference is a good place to start.
A 'link' is not the same thing as causality. Basic statistics.
Have any studies showing a causality of gun violence due to Democratic Party policies?
You were just given 10 links by the OP citing the CAUSATION.. It's when cities take the LEAD role in prosecuting gun crimes and refuse to jail folks for committing crime/violence. That causation DOES LINK to the cities with the "toughest gun laws" but the weakest will to "lock them up"... And it's those mostly large blue cities that have the morgues filled every weekend with fresh victims...
Okay I went back and did a quick review of links- I didn't see any studies showing a causality of gun violence due to Democratic Party policies. Everything I saw was anecdotal.
I get it- you want to blame Democrats for gun violence and don't want anyone to even consider that guns might be part of the problem. But all of the links I looked at were anecdotal accounts of violence that people claim are a result of policies.
Where is the evidence?
One of the issues I have frankly with both sides of the gun debates is the appeal to emotion rather than facts. I am in favor of gun laws- if there is evidence that the gun laws will reduce gun violence. I am in favor of tougher enforcement of laws- if there is evidence that will reduce gun violence.
I feel that if you commit a crime while using a gun, you go away for life.
Great position to take.. Go tell that to all the states and cities that DO NOT ENFORCE existing laws to that effect.. EVEN the NRA lobbies all these entities for tougher enforcement of gun crimes and violence.. We should ALL agree on that..
But once you reach the Amber Guyger example and the crime is MURDER -- does it REALLY matter if the penalties are enhanced? The number of PROSECUTED murders are small compared to the number of "drive-bys" that IF they get apprehended -- don't face ENOUGH severe penalties for misuse of a firearm..
And in the big Blue cities, the "solution rate" to those crimes is embarrassingly small.. All the more REASON to "throw the book" at them...
I know this is the CDZ and they don't like conflict here......but I thought I would try to take this debate to this forum....
There is a direct link between the gun crime rates in our large, democrat party controlled cities and democrat party policies.
We do not have a gun crime problem in the United States because we have guns. We have a gun crime problem, in tiny areas of our large cities because the democrat party policies that allow repeat gun offenders out of jail on bond, and out of prison on short sentences.
If you look at these cities....D.C. St. Louis, Chicago, New York (again), Baltimore, New Orleans........ you will find stories that relate time and time again criminals with multiple gun convictions being released on bond, often now no cash bond, and out of prison on short sentences. Then, after being released, they use new illegal guns for crime and murder.
They are the ones driving the gun crime rate in these tiny areas of our cities.....not John and Jane citizen who own guns primarily for self defense, but also for hunting, sport and recreation.....
They are not the ones using the guns they own for crime and murder.....and targeting them with gun control laws will not effect the gun crime rate...as we already know and see.....
I put this in the CDZ for honest debate.........I think this is an accurate statement about our gun crime issue.
Causation vs Correlation – What’s the difference
Causality is an area that is frequently misunderstood and it can be notoriously difficult to infer causation between two variables without doing a randomized controlled experience. Furthermore, correlation can be a useful measure but has limitations as it is usually associated with measuring a linear relationship. But understanding that correlation does not imply causation and knowing the difference is a good place to start.
A 'link' is not the same thing as causality. Basic statistics.
Have any studies showing a causality of gun violence due to Democratic Party policies?
You were just given 10 links by the OP citing the CAUSATION.. It's when cities take the LEAD role in prosecuting gun crimes and refuse to jail folks for committing crime/violence. That causation DOES LINK to the cities with the "toughest gun laws" but the weakest will to "lock them up"... And it's those mostly large blue cities that have the morgues filled every weekend with fresh victims...
Okay I went back and did a quick review of links- I didn't see any studies showing a causality of gun violence due to Democratic Party policies. Everything I saw was anecdotal.
I get it- you want to blame Democrats for gun violence and don't want anyone to even consider that guns might be part of the problem. But all of the links I looked at were anecdotal accounts of violence that people claim are a result of policies.
Where is the evidence?
One of the issues I have frankly with both sides of the gun debates is the appeal to emotion rather than facts. I am in favor of gun laws- if there is evidence that the gun laws will reduce gun violence. I am in favor of tougher enforcement of laws- if there is evidence that will reduce gun violence.
I feel that if you commit a crime while using a gun, you go away for life.
Great position to take.. Go tell that to all the states and cities that DO NOT ENFORCE existing laws to that effect.. EVEN the NRA lobbies all these entities for tougher enforcement of gun crimes and violence.. We should ALL agree on that..
But once you reach the Amber Guyger example and the crime is MURDER -- does it REALLY matter if the penalties are enhanced? The number of PROSECUTED murders are small compared to the number of "drive-bys" that IF they get apprehended -- don't face ENOUGH severe penalties for misuse of a firearm..
And in the big Blue cities, the "solution rate" to those crimes is embarrassingly small.. All the more REASON to "throw the book" at them...
Amber Guyger got 10 years by the Dallas County Judge. The city of Dallas had nothing to do with it. My question to you is this... Was that an adequate sentence for Murder?