The utter asinine claim that none of Biden's $6 billion to the terror state of Iran did not go to attack Israel.

[Lakhota]

 

[Clipper]

Go fuck yourself you triggered homo. Step out into traffic,

Hey Goober, when you look in the mirror why is your face a photocopy of Trump's ass?

 

[Clipper]

Nor did they falsely claim asthma like the senile guy whose ass you lick clean did asswipe.

Go back to you career of cleaning bird shit out of cuckoo clocks, Goober.

Not workin' out too good is it, genius?

 

[JoeB131]

Iran is a terrorist state... they terrorize their own population and they fund the killing of innocent people around the world... so go for it and jump on their side.... at your own peril....

How is that any different than any other government?

 

[Rambunctious]

How is that any different than any other government?

 

[JoeB131]

Too honest a discussion for you, eh?
We killed a million Iraqis over weapons that didn't exist... Who are the terrorists again?

 

[AntonToo]

Too honest a discussion for you, eh?
We killed a million Iraqis over weapons that didn't exist... Who are the terrorists again?

No, we didn't kill a million Iraqis. Estimates are that it's a fraction of that (killed by both sides, not just US).

Saddam killed at least 250,000 and who knows how many more would be dead over 2 decades if he stayed in power.

Iraqi Civilians | Costs of War

The Costs of War Project is a team of 35 scholars, legal experts, human rights practitioners, and physicians, which began its work in 2011. We use research and a public website to facilitate debate about the costs of the post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

watson.brown.edu

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

There is no right answer here about the invasion of Iraq, other than the WMDs did not exist.

But Saddam did, and that was intolerable.

 

[JoeB131]

No, we didn't kill a million Iraqis. Estimates are that it's a fraction of that (killed by both sides, not just US).

Saddam killed at least 250,000 and who knows how many more would be dead over 2 decades if he stayed in power.

ORB survey of Iraq War casualties - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On Friday, 14 September 2007, ORB International, an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far. From the poll margin of error of +/-2.5% ORB calculated a range of 733,158 to 1,446,063 deaths. The ORB estimate was performed by a random survey of 1,720 adults aged 18+, out of which 1,499 responded, in fifteen of the eighteen governorates within Iraq, between August 12 and August 19, 2007.[2][3] In comparison, the 2006 Lancet survey suggested almost half this number (654,965 deaths) through the end of June 2006. The Lancet authors calculated a range of 392,979 to 942,636 deaths.

 

[JoeB131]

There is no right answer here about the invasion of Iraq, other than the WMDs did not exist.

But Saddam did, and that was intolerable.

Intolerable to whom? If the Iraqi people toppled Saddam, I'd be cheering them on. Just like I'd be perfectly fine if the Iranian people toppled the Ayatollahs from power.

The minute we went in there and did it, though, we became the enemy.

The Zionist wet dream is for us to go to war in Iran, even though our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were complete debacles. Someone needs to speak up and say what a terrible idea this is.

 

[berg80]

Too honest a discussion for you, eh?
We killed a million Iraqis over weapons that didn't exist... Who are the terrorists again?

Terrorists are the guys with towels wrapped around their heads. Not the guys in jump suits dropping bombs that kill civilians. Didn't you know?

 

[AntonToo]

ORB survey of Iraq War casualties - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On Friday, 14 September 2007, ORB International, an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far. From the poll margin of error of +/-2.5% ORB calculated a range of 733,158 to 1,446,063 deaths. The ORB estimate was performed by a random survey of 1,720 adults aged 18+, out of which 1,499 responded, in fifteen of the eighteen governorates within Iraq, between August 12 and August 19, 2007.[2][3] In comparison, the 2006 Lancet survey suggested almost half this number (654,965 deaths) through the end of June 2006. The Lancet authors calculated a range of 392,979 to 942,636 deaths.

And? If you read, the ranges from this methodology are wildly different year to year. Which means what Afghanis tell to pollsters is not reliable.

But let’s say you go by it anyway, it’s only a guess how it compares to how many dead there would be with Saddam in power.

Granted, invading Iraq was a mistake based on American intelligence and judgement failures. We should have stayed out and hopefully learned the lesson.

But ask yourself, if you had to, which Iraq would you rather live in? The one with Saddam or what it is now? I have no question in my mind that Iraq is better off now.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

The bottom line is that developing oil wealth, religious and ethnic differences in this whole area long under imperialist rule / domination by outside forces, as too the 20th century nationalist Zionist revival establishing its own state … left scars almost everywhere.

Few states in the whole region could resist corruption and dictatorial rule. Death and destruction from civil and national wars, often encouraged by Western desires to guarantee its energy needs (as in the super-bloody eight-year Iraq-Iran War) created a tinderbox even in areas where there was previous common shared cultural ties, as outside and internal forces all constantly feuded for power. The “curse of oil wealth” is rarely conducive to developing thriving stable middle classes or democratic culture.

The idea that 6 billion dollars of Iranian money seized by the U.S. illegally decades ago, frozen, unfrozen, and now frozen again without a penny being spent to help the suffering Iranian people, explains long-term Iranian support to Hamas or Hezbollah or the now inevitable acts of vengeance by Israel … is just childish partisan domestic posturing by Republicans.

 

[JoeB131]

And? If you read, the ranges from this methodology are wildly different year to year. Which means what Afghanis tell to pollsters is not reliable.

But let’s say you go by it anyway, it’s only a guess how it compares to how many dead there would be with Saddam in power.

Granted, invading Iraq was a mistake based on American intelligence and judgement failures. We should have stayed out and hopefully learned the lesson.

But ask yourself, if you had to, which Iraq would you rather live in? The one with Saddam or what it is now? I have no question in my mind that Iraq is better off now.

Honestly, I wouldn't want to live in either.

Most of the misery inflicted on Saddam's Iraq, though, was also kind of our fault. We imposed crippling sanctions for over a decade. We bombed infrastructure during the first Gulf War.

The middle east is a fucking insane asylum, and we need to stay the hell out of it.

 

[otto105]

You want to buy a new car, and you have the money in the bank to pay for it.
However, after going over your yearly budget thoroughly, you realize you are going to need a lot of that money to pay other essential things.

Out of the blue, your uncle dies, and in his will he is giving you $50K!!!!
Upon closer reading however, he stipulates you MUST spend the money ONLY on essential living expenses, such as rent, food, utility bills.

You go to bed that night heartbroken (you're a Democrat) that you can't spend any of the $50K on a car! You cry yourself to sleep.

The money is still in a bank in Qatar fuckup.