The unsustainability of "green" energy

[P@triot]

Patriot, when I point out how your liars' cult got caught lying about Climategate, repeating the same lies probably wasn't your best choice of strategy. I mean, linking to an opinion piece from Heartland shill James Taylor, one of the head liars? Pathetic.

Here's a challenge. Point out one of those "lies" that you claim was found. Specifically. Type it out here, and link back to the original source, so everyone can verify it. If you haven't been proudly lying on behalf of your cult, that should be no problem at all for you.

Also, understand that I've got the emails in files on my computer, so I'll know if you posted fudged or altered data, as deniers usually do.

Of course, you can't even do that much. You've never even read any of the emails. You're just a brainless and gutless cult parrot. Your masters tell you what to say, and you say it. You wouldn't dare look at facts and data yourself, because your masters have forbidden you from viewing such heresy.

There is a link right above, stupid it. Read it. Your progressive activists got caught. Deal with it. And if you can't - oh well. The rest of the world can and now knows that your side is a bunch of pathological liars.

 

[mamooth]

Coward, your link was to an opinion piece. I want actual evidence, right here, presented by you. Don't just link to some paid denier shill's crazy opinion piece.

You say the emails showed lies. If you didn't just make it all up, then show us some evidence.

However, if you did make it all up, just keep doing what you're doing, which is crying and running away from a crazy claim that you can't support. Everyone will understand that means you made it all up.

 

[P@triot]

Coward, your link was to an opinion piece.

"Opinion piece"

It was a news article you tool - complete with quotes from the emails. No matter how many times you deny reality, everyone else can see it for themselves. Apparently mamooth thought that Eddie Murphy's Raw was a seminar instead of stand up comedy. This is her approach to life and progressive corruption...

 

[mamooth]

It was a news article you tool -

Which is why the title "Opinion" is there in giant bold letters at the top of it.

Are you really as stupid as you now look, or was that dishonesty deliberate?

complete with quotes from the emails.

You mean unsourced cherrypicked snippets of supposed emails.

So, to summarize. You were asked for evidence to back up your conspiracy kookery. You won't present any, and just cry at me instead. And everyone sees that.

 

[P@triot]

 

[P@triot]

The percentage of Americans who perceive "Global Warming" as a serious threat is at its lowest point since 1998. And that is despite progressives best efforts to increase propaganda, outlaw the truth, and and legislate the "Global Warming" farce into "reality". But the truth always comes out in the end. The people are waking up and realizing this was all about power and control by the Dumbocrats. Part of the reason for the truth coming out is that after 20 years of lies - the American people realize that none of them came to fruition. The other reason is technology. Stuff like Wikileaks is showing people the true colors of the disgusting progressives.

Media Made Right Call to Ignore Climate Change in Debates

 

[P@triot]

Seattle will be the next Detroit. Count on it. There ignorant, failed left-wing policies are just killing that city. There is nothing more absurd than the left's "green energy" pipe dream. We are still many decades away from it being a viable source of energy...

Recently, Seattle’s Waterfront Park decided it would be a good idea to buy a set of three wind turbines for around $107,000. The three wind turbines (who are all white, if you were wondering) will generate $1.39 worth of electricity a day, or a spectacular $42 a month. Now, that may not seem like a lot, but that’s because that’s the low estimate. At peak generation, the turbines will create about . . . wait for it . . . over 5 bucks a day! Or $168 a month in electricity! At that rate, it will only take about 53 years for the wind turbines to pay for themselves! Well, assuming no maintenance costs. Or staffing. Or anything else.

Proving yet again that progressives are completely ignorant of basic business and basic economics. They have absolutely no concept of ROI or TCO, etc. But wait. The insanity doesn't stop there. It gets better. As usual, the ignorant progressive "representative" has no idea what they are voting on...

City Councilwoman Sissi Bruch summed up the wind turbines’ energy production perfectly — along with the reason government is horrible at everything: “I did not realize they would produce so little energy. I wouldn’t have voted for it knowing it was that little.”

#GreenFail: Taxpayers Foot $107K Bill for Wind Turbines That Don’t Work

 

[ScienceRocks]

Green energy is the 2nd and 3rd most installed energy in this nation. How is that unsustainable? Oh'yess, fake idiot doesn't know wtf he is talking about.

 

[P@triot]

Green energy is the 2nd and 3rd most installed energy in this nation. How is that unsustainable? Oh'yess, fake idiot doesn't know wtf he is talking about.

Just because it is "installed" doesn't make it any good, dumb shit...

When you have to pay $107,000 for 3 wind turbines which produce a pitiful - and laughable - $1.39 worth of electricity per day resulting in a 53 year wait to break even, that is the definition of unsustainable.

It is downright scary how stupid you progressives are, ScienceRocks.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Got a link? You realize even 2% could be 2nd and 1% could be third.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Green energy is the 2nd and 3rd most installed energy in this nation. How is that unsustainable? Oh'yess, fake idiot doesn't know wtf he is talking about.

Just because it is "installed" doesn't make it any good, dumb shit...

When you have to pay $107,000 for 3 wind turbines which produce a pitiful - and laughable - $1.39 worth of electricity per day resulting in a 53 year wait to break even, that is the definition of unsustainable.

It is downright scary how stupid you progressives are, ScienceRocks.

especially when a wind turbine only has about a 20 year lifespan

 

[Old Rocks]

Green energy is the 2nd and 3rd most installed energy in this nation. How is that unsustainable? Oh'yess, fake idiot doesn't know wtf he is talking about.

Just because it is "installed" doesn't make it any good, dumb shit...

When you have to pay $107,000 for 3 wind turbines which produce a pitiful - and laughable - $1.39 worth of electricity per day resulting in a 53 year wait to break even, that is the definition of unsustainable.

It is downright scary how stupid you progressives are, ScienceRocks.

especially when a wind turbine only has about a 20 year lifespan

Fucking dumb comments. Outright lies and half truths are all these luddites have.


There are now 67,870 MW of installed wind capacity in the U.S. and over 49,000 wind turbines online.

Wind Farms in Oregon

This would not be happening were anything you are stating true.

As for the life span of a turbine, yes, after 20 years, you pull the turbine off the support, and put another one up there, then rebuild the old one. Anyone that works with industrial machinery understands that no machine lasts forever.

 

[P@triot]

Fucking dumb comments. Outright lies and half truths are all these luddites have.

Snowflake....what are you talking about?!? There are no "half-truths" here. Seattle just installed three wind turbines at a cost of $107,000. Because they generate a laughable and pitiful $1.39 per day in electricity (or a pathetic $42 per month), it will take 53 years to break even on these idiotic devices. And that's only if they don't need to be replaced or require no maintenance (which we all know is impossible).

The "green energy" is an idiotic pipe dream. Some day it will be a great solution, but we are still many decades away from it being a viable energy source. The left always embraces failed ideologies, technologies, etc.

#GreenFail: Taxpayers Foot $107K Bill for Wind Turbines That Don’t Work

 

[Skull Pilot]

Green energy is the 2nd and 3rd most installed energy in this nation. How is that unsustainable? Oh'yess, fake idiot doesn't know wtf he is talking about.

Just because it is "installed" doesn't make it any good, dumb shit...

When you have to pay $107,000 for 3 wind turbines which produce a pitiful - and laughable - $1.39 worth of electricity per day resulting in a 53 year wait to break even, that is the definition of unsustainable.

It is downright scary how stupid you progressives are, ScienceRocks.

especially when a wind turbine only has about a 20 year lifespan

Fucking dumb comments. Outright lies and half truths are all these luddites have.


There are now 67,870 MW of installed wind capacity in the U.S. and over 49,000 wind turbines online.

Wind Farms in Oregon

This would not be happening were anything you are stating true.

As for the life span of a turbine, yes, after 20 years, you pull the turbine off the support, and put another one up there, then rebuild the old one. Anyone that works with industrial machinery understands that no machine lasts forever.

And once again you use installed capacity not ACTUAL OUTPUT

Installed capacity means JACK SHIT.

And you call me a Luddite when you refuse to acknowledge the viability of nuclear power and that is just plain old narrow mindedness especially since you ignore the actual performance and dismal performance of wind power in countries that have already wasted billions on it

 

[Old Rocks]

Wind generation accounted for nearly 23 percent of power generation for the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) in the first quarter of 2017, the Lone Star State grid operator said this week.

The announcement marks the highest quarterly wind penetration in ERCOT’s history and underscores the market challenges facing the coal industry in Texas, where power plants consumed some 86 million tons of the black mineral in 2015, or more than double the next largest coal-consuming state.

“It’s just one more data point in renewables’ march to greater market share,” said Michael Webber, deputy director of the Energy Institute at the University of Texas, Austin.

ERCOT is the primary grid operator in Texas, where it serves 24 million customers.

The Rise of Wind Power in Texas

In spite of all the yap-yap, that oh so Liberal state of Texas just keeps installing more and more wind power. And now they are doing the same for solar. What is wrong with those ultra-Liberal Texans? Don't they know that you super intelligent "Conservatives" have already proven that those wind towers only put out a $1.37 worth of electricity a day? LOL You idiots resort to the silliest lies.

 

[P@triot]

Don't they know that you super intelligent "Conservatives" have already proven that those wind towers only put out a $1.37 worth of electricity a day?

One does not need to "prove" reality, snowflake. That's the pitiful output of renewable energy sources. Some day they will be a viable option. But we are still many decades away.

 

[Old Rocks]

Hey cocksuck, the energy put out by the mills and solar in is reality. A stooge and willfully ignorant ass like you would not know reality if it bit you in the butt.

 

[P@triot]

Hey cocksuck, the energy put out by the mills and solar in is reality. A stooge and willfully ignorant ass like you would not know reality if it bit you in the butt.

What grade did you drop out of high school, snowflake?

 

[Old Rocks]

Over 50 years working sawmills, construction, and steel mills as a millwright. Learned early on to address the mentally handicapped in language that they can comprehend. Oh yeah, and just for my own curiosity, have taken a lot of college classes. The highest being Eng. Geo. 470/570. Now tell me, did you even finish grade school? Ever take any science class?

 

[Slash]

Fucking dumb comments. Outright lies and half truths are all these luddites have.

Snowflake....what are you talking about?!? There are no "half-truths" here. Seattle just installed three wind turbines at a cost of $107,000. Because they generate a laughable and pitiful $1.39 per day in electricity (or a pathetic $42 per month), it will take 53 years to break even on these idiotic devices. And that's only if they don't need to be replaced or require no maintenance (which we all know is impossible).

The "green energy" is an idiotic pipe dream. Some day it will be a great solution, but we are still many decades away from it being a viable energy source. The left always embraces failed ideologies, technologies, etc.

#GreenFail: Taxpayers Foot $107K Bill for Wind Turbines That Don’t Work

And this is the idiots response. So if there's a drilling for oil and it comes up empty that means using oil at all is a failed system we need to move on from? I mean that's your logic if you switch the situation.

You are basing your entirety of wind not working on three ten foot tall turbines used for aesthetics in a park. Next thing you'll be saying that Guitars don't really make music cause you saw one on the wall at a hard rock and it didn't play right buttercup?


Wind energy is brand new as far as catching on. And prices for it are plummeting. UNSUBSIDIZED vs. UNSUBSIDIZED, including capital costs and operating costs, Lazard (top asset management firm) has wind energy costing between $32-$62 per megawatt hour. Coal between $60 and $140. That's a 90% decrease on the cost in the past 30 years for wind.

And why are you saying it's the left that is embracing it? This is being embraced by Texas, Nebraska, North Dakota, Kansas, Wyoming, Iowa, South Dakota, Idaho, and Oklahoma. About as far to the right as states get. Kansas and Iowa are on the chase to see who gets to create over half their states energy by wind, should find out who in the next year or two. Are you really trying to claim that those are the states that are hotbeds of liberal left wingers?


I mean the topic out here right now is linking up the electrical from the midwest with California to start supplying energy for them. You are that against Californian's writing checks to people in Wyoming and Kansas?

We import about 5 million barrels of oil/natural gas more than we export. Meaning our cash flow is heading right out the door, and a big chunk of it is making a lot of Islamic ruled countries VERY happy and very powerful. If we can make some of that up by finding home built energy sources.


As a Republican I say HELL YES I am for that, especially when these are being made in the US, by Americans, for Americans rather than relying on the middle east and giving them our money. So what if it's green.