The U.S. should not withdraw from Afghanistan

Should the U.S. withdraw?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 60.0%
  • No

    Votes: 4 40.0%

  • Total voters
    10

Amartya Sen

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Apr 9, 2015
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It is clear to me that the US military authorities should slow down its withdrawal from Afghanistan and keep a sufficient amount of armed forces there. First, there is a growing threat of Islamic extremism in the Middle East and Central Asia. Second, not only would it open the door for terrorist organizations like Islamic State (IS), turning the lives of ordinary Afghans into suffering, but it would also harm the US image as global social engineer and peacemaker.
Keeping the US army in Afghanistan is a crucial element of the preservation of stability in the region. It is rapidly becoming an issue of vital importance today, as IS is gaining influence and recruiting new members. Yesterday’s power of Al-Qaeda has not evaporated completely with the neutralization of its local offshoots. Quite the contrary is true – thousands of Muslims are being subject to IS propaganda, and, given freedom of movement, radicalized volunteers would pour into Iraq and Syria. Next, the potential, even small, of the Taliban seizing back power in the region still exists. Weakened and drained of support since 2001, the Talibs still pose a threat to Afghans as well as neighboring countries as they demonstrate no tolerance to non-Afghans. Thus, there is no way terrorist activity can be suppressed in Central Asia without the U.S. and its allies keeping an eye on IS, Taliban and others.
This step would affect not only the whole Islamic world, but the U.S. itself. The presence of troops in Central Asia would sustain the image of America and provide the necessary bargaining power to influence decisions made by Islamic governments. Giving up Afghanistan would mean that the United States is incapable of bearing the burden of global social engineering. Acquiring friends and maintaining relationships is the key to participating in conflict resolutions, settling intra- and inter- governmental issues arising in the Mid East. Take Iran as an example - its confrontation with Afghanistan may morph into a full-scale war unless someone defuses the tension. Iran’s nuclear program should also be taken into account. A regular army is one of key factors that make them more compliant. Leaving Afghanistan would imply ceding Central Asia and the Middle East, which might be considered as a signal of political impotence of the Obama cabinet. Hence, the role of the United States as a global, political and social trendsetter would be irrevocably damaged.
In conclusion, maintaining a military presence in such an explosive region is more likely to alleviate the tension than to cause it. At the same time, it would remain a trump card for the U.S., one that may exert decisive influence over Islamic governments, preventing them from going to extremes. Therefore, it would be for the benefit of both the West and the Middle East. However, 10 years’ experience has shown that something more than just military intervention should be done to accomplish the purpose of creating a truly democratic and prosperous country in the midst of the Asian desert.
 
In conclusion, maintaining a military presence in such an explosive region is more likely to alleviate the tension than to cause it. At the same time, it would remain a trump card for the U.S., one that may exert decisive influence over Islamic governments, preventing them from going to extremes. Therefore, it would be for the benefit of both the West and the Middle East. However, 10 years’ experience has shown that something more than just military intervention should be done to accomplish the purpose of creating a truly democratic and prosperous country in the midst of the Asian desert.

Agreed....Problem is that this is a trump card for the media if we ever get a Republican president again In the meantime, they just pretend the situation doesn't exist. One thing's for sure, we easily have the best trained military due to these ongoing operations.
 
"Giving up Afghanistan would mean that the United States is incapable of bearing the burden of global social engineering."

Read your one post, pop in, propaganda message. Thank you US government establishment shill, but no. :haha:


Who are you with, NSA, CIA, private contractor?

What arrogance.


What goes on over there is none of our GD business. We need to let those poor wretches alone. Social engineering. How presumptuous. What gives us the right?


I know, why not just dose the water, poison them all with bad vaccines, grow poppy for drugs and funnel the money to black projects and have our corrupt financial system launder the cash so we can project our power more effectively.


Oh, wait. . . . . :tinfoil:
 
In conclusion, maintaining a military presence in such an explosive region is more likely to alleviate the tension than to cause it. At the same time, it would remain a trump card for the U.S., one that may exert decisive influence over Islamic governments, preventing them from going to extremes. Therefore, it would be for the benefit of both the West and the Middle East. However, 10 years’ experience has shown that something more than just military intervention should be done to accomplish the purpose of creating a truly democratic and prosperous country in the midst of the Asian desert.

Agreed....Problem is that this is a trump card for the media if we ever get a Republican president again In the meantime, they just pretend the situation doesn't exist. One thing's for sure, we easily have the best trained military due to these ongoing operations.

Do you mean the Democrats are immune from media attacks when it comes to the Middle East or that the Republicans are the only ones who know how to take advantage of the army? How can we care about what they publish after observing the events in Iraq? In a year after the U.S. had withdrawn there grew up a brand new terrorist coalition, and the message by the media had been quite the same. The difference is that Iraq at least had money to rebuff. Afghanistan has not.
 
What goes on over there is none of our GD business. We need to let those poor wretches alone. Social engineering. How presumptuous. What gives us the right?

Well, to put it mildly, the decisions made by the Bush cabinet are questionable. The difference between the situation 13 years ago and the one that we are in today is that we can't speak about the "right to (intervene/dictate/whatever...)". Since it was an arbitrary decision of the U.S., we are now responsible for the consequences. Therefore, I would replace "right" with "obligation", at least, the obligation to provide security to those "poor wretches" who had to adopt the paramilitary regime and fully rely on people carrying out reforms in there. It was the United States' mistake, and we have to deal with it.
 
What goes on over there is none of our GD business. We need to let those poor wretches alone. Social engineering. How presumptuous. What gives us the right?

Well, to put it mildly, the decisions made by the Bush cabinet are questionable. The difference between the situation 13 years ago and the one that we are in today is that we can't speak about the "right to (intervene/dictate/whatever...)". Since it was an arbitrary decision of the U.S., we are now responsible for the consequences. Therefore, I would replace "right" with "obligation", at least, the obligation to provide security to those "poor wretches" who had to adopt the paramilitary regime and fully rely on people carrying out reforms in there. It was the United States' mistake, and we have to deal with it.
with more of the same questionable shit...
 
In conclusion, maintaining a military presence in such an explosive region is more likely to alleviate the tension than to cause it. At the same time, it would remain a trump card for the U.S., one that may exert decisive influence over Islamic governments, preventing them from going to extremes. Therefore, it would be for the benefit of both the West and the Middle East. However, 10 years’ experience has shown that something more than just military intervention should be done to accomplish the purpose of creating a truly democratic and prosperous country in the midst of the Asian desert.

Agreed....Problem is that this is a trump card for the media if we ever get a Republican president again In the meantime, they just pretend the situation doesn't exist. One thing's for sure, we easily have the best trained military due to these ongoing operations.

Do you mean the Democrats are immune from media attacks when it comes to the Middle East or that the Republicans are the only ones who know how to take advantage of the army? How can we care about what they publish after observing the events in Iraq? In a year after the U.S. had withdrawn there grew up a brand new terrorist coalition, and the message by the media had been quite the same. The difference is that Iraq at least had money to rebuff. Afghanistan has not.

The opinions of the great unwashed count for a lot. Agree or disagree; that's a fact.

Yea...maybe we're doing a fool's errand in Afghanistan. The motives for staying there have always been suspect; and somehow the politicians aren't accountable for giving quality reasoning.
 
What goes on over there is none of our GD business.

Tell that to the thousands who died on or because of 9/11.
but was that 12 Saudis with a box cutter....right ?

On top of that, the Taliban OFFERED to turn over OBL, all it wanted was the proof that these training camps and OBL were in any way connected to 9/11. Just a little proof.

None was ever given.

Even on the FBI's most wanted list, among the list of OBL's crimes? 9/11 was not listed. Why do you suppose that was? Could it be b/c they never had any proof he was involved? Of course it was. To this date, there is still no proof that he had anything to do with it at all. He has denied any involvement. The only thing linking him to the crime was some phony video produced by the propaganda agency SITE intelligence group. The same agency that brought us the very suspicious ISIS beheading videos.

So what does that make OBL? The same as any spook they no longer need, a patsy. The best kind of patsy is one that has an incurable disease with one foot in the grave.
 
It is clear to me that the US military authorities should slow down its withdrawal from Afghanistan and keep a sufficient amount of armed forces there. First, there is a growing threat of Islamic extremism in the Middle East and Central Asia. Second, not only would it open the door for terrorist organizations like Islamic State (IS), turning the lives of ordinary Afghans into suffering, but it would also harm the US image as global social engineer and peacemaker.
Keeping the US army in Afghanistan is a crucial element of the preservation of stability in the region. It is rapidly becoming an issue of vital importance today, as IS is gaining influence and recruiting new members. Yesterday’s power of Al-Qaeda has not evaporated completely with the neutralization of its local offshoots. Quite the contrary is true – thousands of Muslims are being subject to IS propaganda, and, given freedom of movement, radicalized volunteers would pour into Iraq and Syria. Next, the potential, even small, of the Taliban seizing back power in the region still exists. Weakened and drained of support since 2001, the Talibs still pose a threat to Afghans as well as neighboring countries as they demonstrate no tolerance to non-Afghans. Thus, there is no way terrorist activity can be suppressed in Central Asia without the U.S. and its allies keeping an eye on IS, Taliban and others.
This step would affect not only the whole Islamic world, but the U.S. itself. The presence of troops in Central Asia would sustain the image of America and provide the necessary bargaining power to influence decisions made by Islamic governments. Giving up Afghanistan would mean that the United States is incapable of bearing the burden of global social engineering. Acquiring friends and maintaining relationships is the key to participating in conflict resolutions, settling intra- and inter- governmental issues arising in the Mid East. Take Iran as an example - its confrontation with Afghanistan may morph into a full-scale war unless someone defuses the tension. Iran’s nuclear program should also be taken into account. A regular army is one of key factors that make them more compliant. Leaving Afghanistan would imply ceding Central Asia and the Middle East, which might be considered as a signal of political impotence of the Obama cabinet. Hence, the role of the United States as a global, political and social trendsetter would be irrevocably damaged.
In conclusion, maintaining a military presence in such an explosive region is more likely to alleviate the tension than to cause it. At the same time, it would remain a trump card for the U.S., one that may exert decisive influence over Islamic governments, preventing them from going to extremes. Therefore, it would be for the benefit of both the West and the Middle East. However, 10 years’ experience has shown that something more than just military intervention should be done to accomplish the purpose of creating a truly democratic and prosperous country in the midst of the Asian desert.

So then we can count on you to volunteer for combat duty. Right?
 
On top of that, the Taliban OFFERED to turn over OBL, all it wanted was the proof that these training camps and OBL were in any way connected to 9/11. Just a little proof.

None was ever given.

I've heard that, multiple times. I'm inclined to think it's more of a GOP talking point more than the truth.
 
Who said anything about justification. I gave you the reason. Ever hear of "cause and effect"? US interference in the region equals growth in terrorism. See Taliban and ISIS.
 
Who said anything about justification. I gave you the reason. Ever hear of "cause and effect"? US interference in the region equals growth in terrorism. See Taliban and ISIS.

Cause and effect? Try again. 9/11 was pure evil. Pretending that 9/11 was about some natural sequence of events shows me that you're just not living in any sort of reality besides sitting on a bed of far left talking points.
 
Who said anything about justification. I gave you the reason. Ever hear of "cause and effect"? US interference in the region equals growth in terrorism. See Taliban and ISIS.

Cause and effect? Try again. 9/11 was pure evil. Pretending that 9/11 was about some natural sequence of events shows me that you're just not living in any sort of reality besides sitting on a bed of far left talking points.
What the hijackers did was horrible. You know what was worse? The tens of thousands and killed by US bombs and sanctions in the region. Those who didn't see 911 coming were noy paying attention. 911 was because of the events that the US caused. I would love to hear your reason as to why terrorists attacked the US.
 
The US is in Afghanistan for the Opium trade and not much else.

No one's freedoms are protected by the Military being there.
 
What goes on over there is none of our GD business.

Tell that to the thousands who died on or because of 9/11.

Well, let's think about this for a minute. We could have gone over there, bombed the Hell out of Al Qaida training camps, killed as many Muslims as we wanted to exact our revenge, and we could have done this without any loss of American lives. Instead, we sent over 200,000 plus of our own, so that about 8000 of them could come home in body bags with another 50,000 coming home disabled, many with very serious injuries or mental issues. On top of that, we helped to destabilize the entire Middle East, and we will end up spending over $4 trillion for the privilege of doing so. We should have our brains examined for being drug into this. Bin Laden may be dead, but he accomplished what he wanted.
 
Who said anything about justification. I gave you the reason. Ever hear of "cause and effect"? US interference in the region equals growth in terrorism. See Taliban and ISIS.

Cause and effect? Try again. 9/11 was pure evil. Pretending that 9/11 was about some natural sequence of events shows me that you're just not living in any sort of reality besides sitting on a bed of far left talking points.
What the hijackers did was horrible. You know what was worse? The tens of thousands and killed by US bombs and sanctions in the region. Those who didn't see 911 coming were noy paying attention. 911 was because of the events that the US caused. I would love to hear your reason as to why terrorists attacked the US.

Tens of thousands? Come on, dude. Don't give me far left made up numbers. But you have to or you really wouldn't have your faux point, right?

Otherwise, I'm okay with talking about holding the US accountable for air strikes gone amiss. But that's really a whole different topic, is it not?

Sorry, bro. But other than if some of the US insider 9/11 theories pan out, then this is not the US's fault. There was absolutely no justification for it. Just knock that off. It's a sick deluded scenario you're creating.
 

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