The U.S. attitude to Yugoslavia and to Ukraine

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The subject of this article is the U.S. attitude to two different Slavic countries, to Yugoslavia and to Ukraine.

At first, I would like to remind about the situation in Yugoslavia at the end of the 1990s.

At that period, ethnic Albanians, who are majority in the Yugoslav region Kosovo, began to fight for secession of Kosovo from Yugoslavia. The Yugoslav authorities, of course, always claim that this separatist movement was supported by foreign countries, e.g. by Turkey and other Islamic countries. The Yugoslav authorities also claim that there were many foreigners – even black people - among separatists and that the regular army of the neighboring Republic of Albania took part in hostilities on the Yugoslav territory.

And the U.S. government too, decided to support Kosovo separatists, at first by diplomatic means and then by a military operation which forced the Yugoslav army and police to leave Kosovo in 1999.

On February 17, 2008, the Kosovo Parliament declared the full independence of Kosovo and on the next day the U.S. recognized Kosovo as independent.

And it should be mentioned that Hashim Thaci, one of the leaders of the Kosovo separatist movement, who later became the President of Kosovo, is now on trial by a Special Court in the Hague where he and three other leaders of Kosovo separatists are accused of war crimes, crimes-against-humanity, killings and tortures during and after the 1998-1999 conflict against then-Yugoslavia.

By the way, back in 2010, a Council of Europe report had stated that Hashim Thaci had links to an Albanian group involved in smuggling weapons, drugs and human organs; please see the website of Voice of America.
But during the “freedom fight” in Kosovo in the 1990s no Western media had reported about such facts.

Now about situation in Ukraine.

In November 2013, a protest movement – the so-called Euromaidan – began in this country and at some point, protesters started to burn and kill although such their actions absolutely could not be called a self-defense; please see the tread “Was there a threat for ethnic Russians in February 2014 in Ukraine (Crimean question)?”.

Therefore, the Russian Government had concerns about future of ethnic Russians, who are the majority in the Crimea, and in March 2014 the Crimea was accepted into the Russian Federation.

However, this time, the U.S. declared that the principle of territorial integrity had to be abided by.

But why had the U.S. not abided by this principle of territorial integrity six years earlier when they had recognized Kosovo?

In the spring 2014, after an unconstitutional removal of the President Yanukovych from power, protests began in the Eastern Ukraine, mainly in Donbas. And new Ukrainian rulers, of course, claimed that these protests were instigated by Russia.

And the U.S. did not support the separatist movement in Ukraine – although they had supported the separatist movement in Yugoslavia at the end of the 1990s.


The difference between Western attitude to Yugoslavia and to Ukraine can be well showed by the following events in these two countries.
In March 1998, Yugoslav special forces surrounded in the village of Prekaz a compound of brothers Adem and Hamëz Jashari who fought with arms for secession of Kosovo from Yugoslavia.

You can find many pictures of these persons in Internet when they posed with automatic rifles, a machine-gun, etc.

And in March 1998, The Washington Post cited a statement of the Yugoslav authorities that before the attack on the Jashari’s compound the Yugoslav policemen had demanded that all persons come outside. Yugoslav police officials said that 30 people answered the call and came outside but Adem and Hamëz Jashari and other persons stayed in the compound and started to fire.

The fight lasted for several days, and the number of killed persons varies in different sources. For example, in the book “Humanitarian law violations in Kosovo”, which has been published by Human Rights Watch, you can find on page 32 names of 42 Albanians, who had been killed in Prekaz in this compound; please see Google Books. And by the way, the names of Igballe Rifat Jashari (item 9 and item 10) and Feride Jashari (item 6 and item 31) are repeated twice in this list

After these events in Prekaz, there was a huge outcry in the U.S. and Western Europe; please see the citation below.

In late March (1998) coordinated demonstrations in Europe’s capitals and eight U.S. cities brought more than one hundred thousand people onto the streets.
please see Google Books

But after exactly the same number of persons, i.e. 42 had died in a fire in the Odessa Trade Unions House at the beginning of May 2014 during clashes with Ukrainian nationalists (please see here), there was absolutely no public outcry in the U.S. and Western Europe.

And American and Western European politicians, too, were absolutely indifferent to the death of 42 people.

But why did the U.S. not bomb Kiev after this mass death?

I personally cannot even remember that a U.S. President or a German Chancellor ever demanded from any Ukrainian officials to investigate deaths of these people. Therefore, Ukrainian authorities have not finished “investigation of this mass death so far.

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Why did the U.S. government like Kosovo separatists so much in the 1990s?

The former leaders of these separatists, including the former President of Kosovo, are now on trial by a Special Court in the Hague where they are accused of war crimes, crimes-against-humanity, killings and tortures (please see the first post of this thread).
 
In the 1990s, the U.S. government liked Kosovo separatists very much whose former leaders - including the former President of Kosovo - are now on trial by a Special Court in the Hague.
They are accused there of war crimes, crimes-against-humanity, killings and tortures which they have committed during their “freedom fight”.

And now, the U.S. government likes “Ukrainian freedom fighters” very much.
Are you sure that these “Ukrainian freedom fighters” aren’t criminals too? :)
 
wow! an actual interesting topic? about foreign policy? on USMB? you don't say!

We must act to save thousands of innocent men, women, and children from humanitarian catastrophe, from death, barbarism, and ethnic cleansing.
—Tony Blair on humanitarian intervention

The echoes of 19th century imperialism are there whether you like it or not.
—David Rieff on humanitarian intervention
 
In the 1990s, the U.S. government liked Kosovo separatists very much whose former leaders - including the former President of Kosovo - are now on trial by a Special Court in the Hague.
They are accused there of war crimes, crimes-against-humanity, killings and tortures which they have committed during their “freedom fight”.

And now, the U.S. government likes “Ukrainian freedom fighters” very much.
Are you sure that these “Ukrainian freedom fighters” aren’t criminals too? :)
Well those criminals have served their purpose, handed a Serbian province over to a bunch of drug dealing organ harvesting gangsters head hacking terrorists and Nato, the US have a massive military base there, Bondsteel.
 
In the 1990s, the U.S. government liked Kosovo separatists very much whose former leaders - including the former President of Kosovo - are now on trial by a Special Court in the Hague.
They are accused there of war crimes, crimes-against-humanity, killings and tortures which they have committed during their “freedom fight”.

And now, the U.S. government likes “Ukrainian freedom fighters” very much.
Are you sure that these “Ukrainian freedom fighters” aren’t criminals too? :)
Supplanting of one repression by another in Kosovo, after the NATO intervention, is one of the most disturbing evidences of an essential failure of the international community to secure peace and manifest true credibility and leadership - Fr. Sava​
 
I remember when Nato shredded people in Nis with cluster munitions.


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You are reproducing dirty communist stereotypes. This is not "separatism", but the right to self-determination, which is guaranteed by the Monroe Doctrine and International Law. Serbian terrorists had no right to suppress the legitimate demands of the people of former "Yugoslavia".
 
Clinton was a friend of the bloody tyrant Milosevic. As a rule, the left has always implicitly supported tyranny.
Milosevic was arrested only after Bush Jr came.
 
Clinton was a friend of the bloody tyrant Milosevic. As a rule, the left has always implicitly supported tyranny.
Milosevic was arrested only after Bush Jr came.
You are full of it, Clinton was a friend of that Islamo Fascist Izetbegovic and the Croat Fascists, that's why Clinton helped the Bosnian Muslims under Izetbegovic import thousands of Jihadi terrorists from all over the World with all their head hacking savages and you have been using head hacking terrorists ever since as a proxy force, Bin Laden even had a Bosnian passport, it ended with massive blowback in New York when the twin towers were taken down, you clowns never learn.
 
You are full of it, Clinton was a friend of that Islamo Fascist Izetbegovic and the Croat Fascists, that's why Clinton helped the Bosnian Muslims under Izetbegovic import thousands of Jihadi terrorists from all over the World with all their head hacking savages and you have been using head hacking terrorists ever since as a proxy force, Bin Laden even had a Bosnian passport, it ended with massive blowback in New York when the twin towers were taken down, you clowns never learn.
I know there are phone records that show collusion between Milosevic and Clinton. This is also proven by the fact that Milosevic was not arrested before Clinton left.
 
I know there are phone records that show collusion between Milosevic and Clinton. This is also proven by the fact that Milosevic was not arrested before Clinton left.
I am talking about reality on the ground not some mythical phone record, all the information is out there how Clinton helped the croat fascists and the head hackers of Izetbegovic, if Clinton was such a big fan of Slobo he wouldn't have bombed Belgrade killing people, the bastard is a war criminal like his wife.
 
I am talking about reality on the ground not some mythical phone record, all the information is out there how Clinton helped the croat fascists and the head hackers of Izetbegovic, if Clinton was such a big fan of Slobo he wouldn't have bombed Belgrade killing people, the bastard is a war criminal like his wife.
It doesn't matter what was there. The bottom line is that the left has always been torn between the Monroe Doctrine, which they had to comply with, and support for the totalitarian regimes of empires.
Clinton supported Serbian terrorism and the occupation of the lands of the former "Yugoslavia" by serbian occupiers
 
It doesn't matter what was there. The bottom line is that the left has always been torn between the Monroe Doctrine, which they had to comply with, and support for the totalitarian regimes of empires.
Clinton supported Serbian terrorism and the occupation of the lands of the former "Yugoslavia" by serbian occupiers
You know nothing about it, what happened in the Balkans was a civil war, the Bosnian war involved Croats Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Serbs, thats right people like General Mladic didn't invade from anywhere they were Bosnian Serbs, same with the Serbs in the Krijina region of Croatia, they didn't invade they were Serbian citizens in Croatia, and when those wars started encouraged by the Germans the Serbs remembered what happened in WW2 when the Croats had sided with the Nazis and killed almost a million Serbs, they were not prepared to allow that again.
 

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