The truth about Truman’s bombing Japan

[Unkotare]

Your ignorance is your problem.

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[Mushroom]

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And that is still not telling us what you think the correct translation is.

This is what I find so dammed funny. You actually created an account that is named Poop Head, apparently not realizing somebody might actually know what it means. And now you are trying so damned hard to claim it does not mean that, but outright refuse to ever say what you think it means.

 

[Unkotare]

And that is still not telling us what you think the correct translation is.

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“Think”?

 

[Billo_Really]

Yeah it was so important they forgot to bomb it until the end of the war. Yet they bombed every other major city in the country.

Think better. Don’t be a statist dupe.

WTF are you talking about? I'm glad we bombed Hiroshima. That was payback for Pearl.

 

[Hector12]

The best American value is that many Americans didn't die in the invasion of Japan.

According to the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey Japan would have surrendered without an invasion.

Nevertheless, the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey was made after the end of the Second World War, using information President Truman did not have when he made the decision to drop atom bombs on Japan.

 

[Unkotare]

WTF are you talking about? I'm glad we bombed Hiroshima. That was payback for Pearl.

The incineration of hundreds of thousands of civilians was "payback" for a military attack on a military base?

 

[Billo_Really]

The incineration of hundreds of thousands of civilians was "payback" for a military attack on a military base?

Like you really give a shit about those people?

 

[Unkotare]

Like you really give a shit about those people?

I give a shit about all people. Stop trying to puff up. It ain't working for ya.

 

[gipper]

Like you really give a shit about those people?

You clearly don’t. Are you a psychopath?

 

[braalian]

The incineration of hundreds of thousands of civilians was "payback" for a military attack on a military base?

It wasn’t “payback”. It was an attempt to force the government of Japan to end the war. Or make life such a living hell for the citizens that they would defy the government and force Japan’s withdrawal themselves.

It was standard procedure during WWII. The Germans did it to the British. The British/Americans did it to the Germans.

If Japan had had the resources to do the same to us, they would have.

Japan and Germany shouldn’t have started a war they couldn’t finish.

The bombing of their cities was their own fault. They shouldn’t have started a war they couldn’t finish. And they should have surrendered when they realized they were up against opponents with infinitely greater economic and industrial resources.

Pick a fight with the United States, the Soviet Union and the British Empire and what do you *think* is going to happen?

 

[Mushroom]

According to the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey Japan would have surrendered without an invasion.

Of course, they also believed that future wars with soldiers on the battlefield was an obsolete concept and that they would win all future wars via air power alone.

So that should be taken with a grain of salt the size of Texas.

 

[AZrailwhale]

It wasn’t “payback”. It was an attempt to force the government of Japan to end the war. Or make life such a living hell for the citizens that they would defy the government and force Japan’s withdrawal themselves.

It was standard procedure during WWII. The Germans did it to the British. The British/Americans did it to the Germans.

If Japan had had the resources to do the same to us, they would have.

Japan and Germany shouldn’t have started a war they couldn’t finish.

The bombing of their cities was their own fault. They shouldn’t have started a war they couldn’t finish. And they should have surrendered when they realized they were up against opponents with infinitely greater economic and industrial resources.

Pick a fight with the United States, the Soviet Union and the British Empire and what do you *think* is going to happen?

Both Germany and Japan started the practice of bombing helpless civilians. During the Spanish Civil War, the German bombed Guernica after it was declared an open city (that means it wouldn't be defended), at the start of WWII they bombed Warsaw after it was also declared an open city. The Japanese did the same in many cases in China and also bombed Manila in the Philippines after it was declared an open city. In warfare, what goes around, comes around.

 

[braalian]

Both Germany and Japan started the practice of bombing helpless civilians. During the Spanish Civil War, the German bombed Guernica after it was declared an open city (that means it wouldn't be defended), at the start of WWII they bombed Warsaw after it was also declared an open city. The Japanese did the same in many cases in China and also bombed Manila in the Philippines after it was declared an open city. In warfare, what goes around, comes around.

Exactly. I think some people are giving Japan a “pass” for all their war crimes just because they happen to be fans of Japanese culture.

They were bombed….in a war they started….. against countries infinitely more powerful…. and then refused to surrender unconditionally even when they faced total annihilation and a second bomb had to be dropped plus the USSR had to declare war before they finally surrendered.

They wanted to fight to the bitter end. Well, they got what they wanted.

 

[Mushroom]

Exactly. I think some people are giving Japan a “pass” for all their war crimes just because they happen to be fans of Japanese culture.

Even in Japan most today do not give a "pass" for what their ancestors did and that is their own culture.

Only today over 70 years later are we finally starting to see them start to "militarize" again. But even then with the awareness of the excesses of past generations and swearing that this time they have learned their lesson and will work with other nations and not be like before. Even their popular media that is based around the Showa era, it is interesting to watch.

For those set in the Early Showa Era, it tends to be reverence to those who were fighting as individuals against the odds. Praising them and not what they were fighting for itself. Then in the Later Showa Era it starts to become about their more "modern enlightened" view that became the norm after WWII. That is why well known Japanese productions (or co-productions) set during the war like "Hell in the Pacific", "None but the Brave", and "Letters from Iwo Jima" tend to be primarily character stories about an individual and not trying to revise history to make themselves the "good guy" or claim they were fighting for a just cause.

This is why watching any of those is a very different experience than watching say "Pearl Harbor" or any US movie based on the war. The US movies normally wrap themselves in the flag and do not let the viewer forget that they were attacked. Japanese cinema even today almost always avoids the causes as they know they were wrong, and concentrates on the bravery of the individuals fighting in a war they could not win. Which is also a long time tradition in Japan, including stories like the 47 Ronin. Or their own take on a US Western "The Seven Samurai".

Even the Otaku that posts in here has a very superficial understanding of the culture. And it is a view of the culture as it exists in their mind today, and not as it really was 7 decades ago.

 

[Billo_Really]

I give a shit about all people. Stop trying to puff up. It ain't working for ya.

Bullshit! Your posts show you don't give a shit about anyone.

 

[Billo_Really]

You clearly don’t. Are you a psychopath?

No. Next question.

 

[Unkotare]

Bullshit! Your posts show you don't give a shit about anyone.

Wrong, jackass. Very very wrong.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Oh? That would put us in the middle of the Battle of Okinawa.

Where in Okinawa did a soldier wave the white flag?

Which commander ordered surrender?

Which commanders, soldiers, at which part of the battle, simply surrendered?

Fill us in with the details. Go ahead and use your memory, we obviously do not need links from someone who knows what they are talking about. So go ahead and tell us the story.

On Okinawa, the Japanese Forced the GIs to Kill Half the Civilians and All of Their Military

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

"History is rarely simple, and confronting it head-on, with critical honesty, is often quite painful. Myths, no matter how oversimplified or blatantly false, are too often far more likely to be embraced than inconvenient and unsettling truths."

Russians Create the Same Quagmire, Even Bringing It to the Ukraine

Here's some history you conveniently ignore. Hannibal obliterated the Roman army and still lost. Invading Japan, Americans would have been stuck in the same sinking swarm that defeated the Carthaginians when Rome's survival seemed hopeless.

 

[elektra]

On Okinawa, the Japanese Forced the GIs to Kill Half the Civilians and All of Their Military

I have numerous books that cover the subject, some books cover the specifics. I ask these questions, rhetorically, to prove the ignorance and trolling of those that I was replying to.