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Unless of course it is the right wing version of health care reform?
"Fact - Increases in life expectancy are due to increased access to health care."
Well if no one pays for it how do you have increased access to health care?
How do you expect to get increased access to health care once the government starts saying you can't have it because it is too expensive?
See my above post.
My PRIVATE insurance company is already deciding my coverage was only good for a 1960s technology cast not a new one.
Oh, and the government tries not to turn a profit but to break even. If the post office was making billions they would lower the cost of stamps. If UPS was making billions their stock prices go up. Government programs do not have the fear of loss, that is a problem with them.
You forgot...
Fact : Health care will become unaffordable to everyone if left alone as premiums go through the roof.
Myth : If we do nothing it will correct itself
The major reason health care is currently unaffordable is that most people do not pay for it directly. How is increasing the share the government pays going to fix that?
How do you expect to get increased access to health care once the government starts saying you can't have it because it is too expensive?
See my above post.
My PRIVATE insurance company is already deciding my coverage was only good for a 1960s technology cast not a new one.
Oh, and the government tries not to turn a profit but to break even. If the post office was making billions they would lower the cost of stamps. If UPS was making billions their stock prices go up. Government programs do not have the fear of loss, that is a problem with them.
Buy a different policy.
Oops, you can't, because you do not get to choose who you buy insurance from. That is not the fault of the market, it is the fault of the government at the state and federal level making decisions about how you buy insurance, and what type of insurance you have to buy. How is putting more government in the mix going to enable you to get the cast you like?
You forgot...
Fact : Health care will become unaffordable to everyone if left alone as premiums go through the roof.
Myth : If we do nothing it will correct itself
The major reason health care is currently unaffordable is that most people do not pay for it directly. How is increasing the share the government pays going to fix that?
Most people don't pay for it? Have you ever tried not paying a medical bill? Did you see that you can no longer get rid of medical debt when you file bankruptcy?
What we had going wasn't working, the Republicans knew that and chose not to do anything but watch for eight years under GWB. The Democrats took up the banner to change healthcare and now the Republicans are crying. The problem for them is that they are out numbered. There are way more people who can't afford health ins. than those who can. The number of those who can't keeps getting larger and larger.
See my above post.
My PRIVATE insurance company is already deciding my coverage was only good for a 1960s technology cast not a new one.
Oh, and the government tries not to turn a profit but to break even. If the post office was making billions they would lower the cost of stamps. If UPS was making billions their stock prices go up. Government programs do not have the fear of loss, that is a problem with them.
Buy a different policy.
Oops, you can't, because you do not get to choose who you buy insurance from. That is not the fault of the market, it is the fault of the government at the state and federal level making decisions about how you buy insurance, and what type of insurance you have to buy. How is putting more government in the mix going to enable you to get the cast you like?
I CAN buy insurance from a good number of different comoanies. Prehaps as you suggest, my plan with Aetna needs to be upgraded or I do need to switch. Aetna is my choice because of an empoloyer paying a good amount of the cost for me.
Just noticed my healthcare was rationed by a private company, that is all. The old cast is at least 2/3rds as good as the new one.
Hiw is the government going to help? By spreading the coat out among all americans every day one of us shows up at work it will delay, hopefully soften the crunch of ever more complex treatments.
I do not miss your point. In an entirely open market companies want to maximize their profits. There is a projection of at what cost you can move the most units for the most profit. Eventually when only Warren Buffet can afford treatment the research will be in how to make existing treatments less expensive not in designing new treatments.
The major reason health care is currently unaffordable is that most people do not pay for it directly. How is increasing the share the government pays going to fix that?
Most people don't pay for it? Have you ever tried not paying a medical bill? Did you see that you can no longer get rid of medical debt when you file bankruptcy?
What we had going wasn't working, the Republicans knew that and chose not to do anything but watch for eight years under GWB. The Democrats took up the banner to change healthcare and now the Republicans are crying. The problem for them is that they are out numbered. There are way more people who can't afford health ins. than those who can. The number of those who can't keeps getting larger and larger.
55% of health insurance is supplied through government programs. (28% Medicare, 21% Medicaid, and 6% through VA, SCHIP, and other programs.) Of the 45% of the remaining market roughly half of that is from employee based health insurance programs. Did you ever sit down and try to negotiate your health care with your doctor like you do when you buy a house, or even a car? Or do you simply scan a list of approved doctors and pick one that sounds nice?
Most people don't pay for it? Have you ever tried not paying a medical bill? Did you see that you can no longer get rid of medical debt when you file bankruptcy?
What we had going wasn't working, the Republicans knew that and chose not to do anything but watch for eight years under GWB. The Democrats took up the banner to change healthcare and now the Republicans are crying. The problem for them is that they are out numbered. There are way more people who can't afford health ins. than those who can. The number of those who can't keeps getting larger and larger.
55% of health insurance is supplied through government programs. (28% Medicare, 21% Medicaid, and 6% through VA, SCHIP, and other programs.) Of the 45% of the remaining market roughly half of that is from employee based health insurance programs. Did you ever sit down and try to negotiate your health care with your doctor like you do when you buy a house, or even a car? Or do you simply scan a list of approved doctors and pick one that sounds nice?
Took my wife to the emergency room, as it was a Sunday and all the doctors offices were closed. When we got to the emergency room I told the admitting nurse that we did not have insurance, and would be paying cash. I asked her how much the bill would be and her reply was "I can't tell you what it will be." I then told her that the bill must come in under five hundred because that is all I had, and If it goes beyond that I cannot pay you. Over the course of the next hour I tried to talk to anyone who would listen that if it was going to go over five hundred we needed to know about it, none of them would give me a breakdown of the bill. To rehydrate my wife, a one hour stay and antibiotics came to $1400.00, we seen the doctor for a total of ten minutes. We got the bill a week later.
This was the system before Obamacare. Hard to negotiate or do much of anything when dealing with hospitals. When you can't afford coverage and the government offers you a plan, you take it. This is the reality, not the vision.
55% of health insurance is supplied through government programs. (28% Medicare, 21% Medicaid, and 6% through VA, SCHIP, and other programs.) Of the 45% of the remaining market roughly half of that is from employee based health insurance programs. Did you ever sit down and try to negotiate your health care with your doctor like you do when you buy a house, or even a car? Or do you simply scan a list of approved doctors and pick one that sounds nice?
Took my wife to the emergency room, as it was a Sunday and all the doctors offices were closed. When we got to the emergency room I told the admitting nurse that we did not have insurance, and would be paying cash. I asked her how much the bill would be and her reply was "I can't tell you what it will be." I then told her that the bill must come in under five hundred because that is all I had, and If it goes beyond that I cannot pay you. Over the course of the next hour I tried to talk to anyone who would listen that if it was going to go over five hundred we needed to know about it, none of them would give me a breakdown of the bill. To rehydrate my wife, a one hour stay and antibiotics came to $1400.00, we seen the doctor for a total of ten minutes. We got the bill a week later.
This was the system before Obamacare. Hard to negotiate or do much of anything when dealing with hospitals. When you can't afford coverage and the government offers you a plan, you take it. This is the reality, not the vision.
What you did is the equivalent of going into Red Lobster and talking to the dishwasher about your order. If you goal had actually been to keep your bill under a certain amount you should have immediately gone to the people that actually figure out your bill and ask them what they could do to help you keep it down. The admitting nurse doesn't do that, has no say in it, and could not help you even if she wanted to.
Took my wife to the emergency room, as it was a Sunday and all the doctors offices were closed. When we got to the emergency room I told the admitting nurse that we did not have insurance, and would be paying cash. I asked her how much the bill would be and her reply was "I can't tell you what it will be." I then told her that the bill must come in under five hundred because that is all I had, and If it goes beyond that I cannot pay you. Over the course of the next hour I tried to talk to anyone who would listen that if it was going to go over five hundred we needed to know about it, none of them would give me a breakdown of the bill. To rehydrate my wife, a one hour stay and antibiotics came to $1400.00, we seen the doctor for a total of ten minutes. We got the bill a week later.
This was the system before Obamacare. Hard to negotiate or do much of anything when dealing with hospitals. When you can't afford coverage and the government offers you a plan, you take it. This is the reality, not the vision.
What you did is the equivalent of going into Red Lobster and talking to the dishwasher about your order. If you goal had actually been to keep your bill under a certain amount you should have immediately gone to the people that actually figure out your bill and ask them what they could do to help you keep it down. The admitting nurse doesn't do that, has no say in it, and could not help you even if she wanted to.
and being Sunday none of those people were available. Perhaps I should have taken her home and waited.
Do you deserve one if you can't? If so, why does an insurance company owe you coverage? Because it's 'not nice'?And private insurance will just give you a policy if you cannot afford one?
Sheesh.
Private insurance owes you nothing. Neither do I.
SO in that world if you show up at the hospital with a gunshot wound or other emergency and cant pay your butt gets pushed out to the street.
Anything else is denying the socialist head in the sand nature of the old 1950s era health care model we are suffering through. This isnt your great grandfather's medical treatment anymore. The stuff works and it is expensive.
Do you deserve one if you can't? If so, why does an insurance company owe you coverage? Because it's 'not nice'?
Private insurance owes you nothing. Neither do I.
SO in that world if you show up at the hospital with a gunshot wound or other emergency and cant pay your butt gets pushed out to the street.
Anything else is denying the socialist head in the sand nature of the old 1950s era health care model we are suffering through. This isnt your great grandfather's medical treatment anymore. The stuff works and it is expensive.
It has so much innovation for all the human health problems but still constantly mis-diagnosis and treats by statistical probabilities, not by careful, hands-on examination. Yeah, it's gotten real advanced for cardiac care and various imaging devices and yet, how much better is the medical technology in the U.S. than in Japan, Beijing, Germany, Stockholm, London, Milan, Sao Paulo? How much preventative and non-conventional care is covered here?
Until your glorious American health care completely decodes the human genome and guarantees all known outcomes of modification, it's just more overpriced scopes, scanners, probes, and hybrid materials that are not improving the lives of the majority. It also creates incentives for itself and don't tell me you don't know what I mean by that.
Private insurance owes you nothing. Neither do I.
SO in that world if you show up at the hospital with a gunshot wound or other emergency and cant pay your butt gets pushed out to the street.
Anything else is denying the socialist head in the sand nature of the old 1950s era health care model we are suffering through. This isnt your great grandfather's medical treatment anymore. The stuff works and it is expensive.
It has so much innovation for all the human health problems but still constantly mis-diagnosis and treats by statistical probabilities, not by careful, hands-on examination. Yeah, it's gotten real advanced for cardiac care and various imaging devices and yet, how much better is the medical technology in the U.S. than in Japan, Beijing, Germany, Stockholm, London, Milan, Sao Paulo? How much preventative and non-conventional care is covered here?
Until your glorious American health care completely decodes the human genome and guarantees all known outcomes of modification, it's just more overpriced scopes, scanners, probes, and hybrid materials that are not improving the lives of the majority. It also creates incentives for itself and don't tell me you don't know what I mean by that.
I don't know what you mean by that.
Do you deserve one if you can't? If so, why does an insurance company owe you coverage? Because it's 'not nice'?
Private insurance owes you nothing. Neither do I.
SO in that world if you show up at the hospital with a gunshot wound or other emergency and cant pay your butt gets pushed out to the street.
Anything else is denying the socialist head in the sand nature of the old 1950s era health care model we are suffering through. This isnt your great grandfather's medical treatment anymore. The stuff works and it is expensive.
It has so much innovation for all the human health problems but still constantly mis-diagnosis and treats by statistical probabilities, not by careful, hands-on examination. Yeah, it's gotten real advanced for cardiac care and various imaging devices and yet, how much better is the medical technology in the U.S. than in Japan, Beijing, Germany, Stockholm, London, Milan, Sao Paulo? How much preventative and non-conventional care is covered here?
Until your glorious American health care completely decodes the human genome and guarantees all known outcomes of modification, it's just more overpriced scopes, scanners, probes, and hybrid materials that are not improving the lives of the majority. It also creates incentives for itself and don't tell me you don't know what I mean by that.
It has so much innovation for all the human health problems but still constantly mis-diagnosis and treats by statistical probabilities, not by careful, hands-on examination. Yeah, it's gotten real advanced for cardiac care and various imaging devices and yet, how much better is the medical technology in the U.S. than in Japan, Beijing, Germany, Stockholm, London, Milan, Sao Paulo? How much preventative and non-conventional care is covered here?
Until your glorious American health care completely decodes the human genome and guarantees all known outcomes of modification, it's just more overpriced scopes, scanners, probes, and hybrid materials that are not improving the lives of the majority. It also creates incentives for itself and don't tell me you don't know what I mean by that.
