The True Conservative Republican

[code1211]

West Germany: Conservative
East Germany: Progressive

Any question?

Any questions, yea Frank, where do you come up with this absolute garbage? Is that what you 'feel' Frank, because there was nothing progressive about East Berlin.



While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

And as a refresher, who was it who stated that WE have to pass it for YOU to know what's in it?

 

[Mr. H.]

Money doesn't define freedom. Privilege doesn't define politics.

The Wall Street dissenters have only proven their stupidity and valdated the topsy-turvy world of the Left.

LOL, suggesting the protest is stupid is partisan hackery. Using "the left" as homoplasy is the epitome of ignorance. The left, or left of center leaning individuals are of different forms and different structures. Some moderate, some extreme and even some on the idiot fringe, so far left they take on the opinions of the far right.

I stand corrected, to a point- insofar as individuals of different forms and structures exist on both the left and the right.

Money doesn't define freedom. Privilege doesn't define politics.

The Wall Street dissenters have only proven their stupidity and valdated the topsy-turvy world of the Left.

Im sorry but this is bullshit.

Money does define freedom. Money is freedom in this country. With enough money you can get by with murder via just exhausting the court system. You can do anything if you can pay for it. If your poor the only freedom you have is to go to work tomorow.

Privilege does define politics. This isnt even a republic anymore, its Oligarchy. Its rule by the few. The few being large corporations and extremely wealthy individuals. Everyone knows this.

Then you label the wall street dissenters as leftists, which agian is not true. The only official demand they have made where they ask for any money or 'assistance' is the demand to forgive all student loans and overheal the education system. Which is a debatable argument, but agian, how will it be paid for.

The rest of the official demands are all an end of corruption and corporate influence over government. Which is a American issue, not a ideological issue.

I should quantify my statement - Individual freedom has nothing to do with money. An individual's politics has nothing to do with privilege.

 

[bripat9643]

Money doesn't define freedom.

But unfortunately it does define America. In fact, we've chosen money over freedom.

As for privilege, well that's always been reserved for the few. On paper America is a free society devoid of class distinctions, on paper that is. And yet, it is well established and has been for years that rank has its privileges. And in this country that means the more money someone has the more rank and privilege.

So the only way a society can truly be devoid of "class distinctions" is for everyone to have the exact same income.

Is that what you're saying?

 

[bripat9643]

West Germany: Conservative
East Germany: Progressive

Any question?

Any questions, yea Frank, where do you come up with this absolute garbage? Is that what you 'feel' Frank, because there was nothing progressive about East Berlin.

Of course East Germany was progressive. It was the essence of everything progressives believe in: no evil profit making corporations, government making all the decisions, everyone on the dole, government provided health care for all. What could be more progressive than that?

 

[midcan5]

West Germany: Conservative
East Germany: Progressive

Any question?

Question? So word usage only means what you think they mean? No need for any question.

"There isn't much point arguing about the word "libertarian." It would make about as much sense to argue with an unreconstructed Stalinist about the word "democracy" -- recall that they called what they'd constructed "peoples' democracies." The weird offshoot of ultra-right individualist anarchism that is called "libertarian" here happens to amount to advocacy of perhaps the worst kind of imaginable tyranny, namely unaccountable private tyranny. If they want to call that "libertarian," fine; after all, Stalin called his system "democratic." But why bother arguing about it?" Noam Chomsky

 

[JoeB131]

The Wall Street dissenters prove again the hypocrisy and phoniness of republicans, conservatives, and libertarians and all blends of each ideological tag. Freedom only means freedom for markets and for corporate exploitation, when people are free, the conservative republican demeans them. Bailing out the poor is wrong, but as the last conservative republican administration and the current congress demonstrate, bailing out the rich with tax incentives is just lovely.

The republican debate audience and candidates demonstrated their rigid ideological stance, their lack of tolerance, and their heartlessness. The good part of this presentation of the real republican is the American people see them for who they really are. Freedom only means freedom for the privileged few in the republican party.

No, I think what your average Republican voter is sick of is people who are otherwise capable of doing for themselves deciding to live off the rest of us and demanding we subsidize their bad life choices.

Both parties were all for bailing out Wall Street with no strings. When Obama raises his 1 billion in an attempt to fool us into thinking he hasn't screwed up the country royally, he'll get that 1 billion from Soros and Buffet and Kaiser and the Pritzker family and other liberal rich people who have enriched themselves screwing over working people. The very people that OWS says that they are against.

And the very same OWS people will support him to the Hilt.

Just like the TEA Party denounces bailouts and the big government and at the end of the day will still get behind Mitt Romney when the GOP Beltway establishment foists him on them.

So a lot of anger out there. Sound and fury signifying- nothing.

 

[daveman]

West Germany: Conservative
East Germany: Progressive

Any question?

Any questions, yea Frank, where do you come up with this absolute garbage? Is that what you 'feel' Frank, because there was nothing progressive about East Berlin.

Desperately trying to distance yourself from the historical failures of your political philosophy works only if everyone else is utterly ignorant of history.

Unfortunately for you, we're not.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

Altmeyer is ignorant. No wonder you cite him.

 

[daveman]

West Germany: Conservative
East Germany: Progressive

Any question?

Question? So word usage only means what you think they mean? No need for any question.

"There isn't much point arguing about the word "libertarian." It would make about as much sense to argue with an unreconstructed Stalinist about the word "democracy" -- recall that they called what they'd constructed "peoples' democracies." The weird offshoot of ultra-right individualist anarchism that is called "libertarian" here happens to amount to advocacy of perhaps the worst kind of imaginable tyranny, namely unaccountable private tyranny. If they want to call that "libertarian," fine; after all, Stalin called his system "democratic." But why bother arguing about it?" Noam Chomsky

Chomsky's as big an idiot as Altmeyer. His historical distortions and outright lies are popular among leftists, but normal people laugh at him.

 

[Bfgrn]

West Germany: Conservative
East Germany: Progressive

Any question?

Any questions, yea Frank, where do you come up with this absolute garbage? Is that what you 'feel' Frank, because there was nothing progressive about East Berlin.

Desperately trying to distance yourself from the historical failures of your political philosophy works only if everyone else is utterly ignorant of history.

Unfortunately for you, we're not.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

Altmeyer is ignorant. No wonder you cite him.

OK, then tell me what a Russian or East German conservative would believe? What political philosophy would he want to 'conserve'? What economic philosophy would he want to 'conserve'? What orthodoxy, values and traditions would he want to 'conserve'?

 

[WatertheTree]

West Germany: Conservative
East Germany: Progressive

Any question?

Question? So word usage only means what you think they mean? No need for any question.

"There isn't much point arguing about the word "libertarian." It would make about as much sense to argue with an unreconstructed Stalinist about the word "democracy" -- recall that they called what they'd constructed "peoples' democracies." The weird offshoot of ultra-right individualist anarchism that is called "libertarian" here happens to amount to advocacy of perhaps the worst kind of imaginable tyranny, namely unaccountable private tyranny. If they want to call that "libertarian," fine; after all, Stalin called his system "democratic." But why bother arguing about it?" Noam Chomsky

Chomsky's as big an idiot as Altmeyer. His historical distortions and outright lies are popular among leftists, but normal people laugh at him.

I hope you have an example of this or are you just puppeting some shit you heard somewhere because you dont have any capabilities of critical thinking.

God forbid you read something and judge for yourself. Rush is never wrong.

 

[daveman]

Any questions, yea Frank, where do you come up with this absolute garbage? Is that what you 'feel' Frank, because there was nothing progressive about East Berlin.

Desperately trying to distance yourself from the historical failures of your political philosophy works only if everyone else is utterly ignorant of history.

Unfortunately for you, we're not.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

Altmeyer is ignorant. No wonder you cite him.

OK, then tell me what a Russian or East German conservative would believe? What political philosophy would he want to 'conserve'? What economic philosophy would he want to 'conserve'? What orthodoxy, values and traditions would he want to 'conserve'?

Everything that wasn't Communism, a leftist political and economic system.

You can stamp your feet and pout and insist that everything bad is conservative and everything good is liberal, but it's simply not the case.

 

[Bfgrn]

Desperately trying to distance yourself from the historical failures of your political philosophy works only if everyone else is utterly ignorant of history.

Unfortunately for you, we're not.

Altmeyer is ignorant. No wonder you cite him.

OK, then tell me what a Russian or East German conservative would believe? What political philosophy would he want to 'conserve'? What economic philosophy would he want to 'conserve'? What orthodoxy, values and traditions would he want to 'conserve'?

Everything that wasn't Communism, a leftist political and economic system.

You can stamp your feet and pout and insist that everything bad is conservative and everything good is liberal, but it's simply not the case.

So, a Russian or East German conservative would be anti communist?

 

[daveman]

I hope you have an example of this or are you just puppeting some shit you heard somewhere because you dont have any capabilities of critical thinking.

I've read enogh Chomsky to know he's full of crap.

God forbid you read something and judge for yourself.

I have. Just because I don't blindly swallow leftist crap doesn't mean I haven't read.

It's funny -- when leftists say they want you to judge for yourself, what they really mean is they want you to immediately and unquestioningly agree with them.

Rush is never wrong.

I don't listen to Rush.

But Chomsky is never wrong. Right?


Well...except for this.

 

[daveman]

OK, then tell me what a Russian or East German conservative would believe? What political philosophy would he want to 'conserve'? What economic philosophy would he want to 'conserve'? What orthodoxy, values and traditions would he want to 'conserve'?

Everything that wasn't Communism, a leftist political and economic system.

You can stamp your feet and pout and insist that everything bad is conservative and everything good is liberal, but it's simply not the case.

So, a Russian or East German conservative would be anti communist?

By your definition of "conservative", yes.

 

[Si modo]

Gotta love those who tell you who you are.

Yup, that makes perfect sense......

in Crazyland, that is.

 

[daveman]

Gotta love those who tell you who you are.

Yup, that makes perfect sense......

in Crazyland, that is.

Leftists sure do seem to feel qualified to tell other people what their beliefs are, don't they?

 

[Bfgrn]

Everything that wasn't Communism, a leftist political and economic system.

You can stamp your feet and pout and insist that everything bad is conservative and everything good is liberal, but it's simply not the case.

So, a Russian or East German conservative would be anti communist?

By your definition of "conservative", yes.

Conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to preserve") is a political and social philosophy that promotes the maintenance of traditional institutions and supports, at the most, minimal and gradual change in society. wiki

Actually the tea party is nothing new. Conservatives rallying to protect the status quo.

The only thing that changes with conservatives around the world is WHAT that status quo is.

Remember, conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.

And parochial indoctrination.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
The Authoritarians - Robert Altmeyer, Associate Professor of Psychology at the University of Manitoba.
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When the ‘tea partiers’ say “we want our country back”, what do they mean by ‘our’?

Polls show the ‘tea party’ is an ultra-conservative group with views that are diametrically opposed to mainstream America. Among all Americans, George W. Bush has a 27/58 positive/negative favorable rating. Among the ‘tea party’ he's viewed favorably, 57/27. An almost perfect diametrical difference.

Is there any precedent in history of today’s the ‘tea party’?

The answer is YES…a parallel to the 'Tea Party" occurred in Russia in the late 1980's. Russian conservatives, the Stalinists, wanted 'their' country back. It was an alliance including xenophobic fringe groups and nationalists who yearned for what they saw as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

And like today’s ‘tea partiers’, they wanted their authoritarian leader back.
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February 27, 1989

Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev's Policies

MOSCOW, Feb. 26— Russian conservatives, uneasy with the liberalization of Soviet society under Mikhail S. Gorbachev, have seized on the country's experiment in more democratic elections as a chance to fight for a return to more authoritarian ways.

While many candidates and voters say they view the elections to the new Congress of Deputies as a way to further the candor and freedoms allowed by the Soviet leader, conservatives in this city and around the country were boasting last week that they had already succeeded in blocking the nomination of several prominent people regarded as liberals.

''You see the work of our hand,'' said Pavel G. Ivanov, a retired truck driver, gloating at the defeat of Vitaly A. Korotich, a magazine editor despised by conservatives as the exemplar of the new permissiveness. ''And you will see it more.''

At election rallies where speakers call out against the influence of ''Zionist forces,'' and in campaign leaflets decrying ''liberal yellow journalists,'' representatives of politically conservative organizations are trying to draft voters and candidates.

A Disparate Alliance
The conservatives are a disparate alliance, including xenophobic fringe groups, like Pamyat, as well as large numbers of less extreme nationalists who yearn for what they see as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

Nikita F. Zherbin, head of the Leningrad chapter of Pamyat, delighted in the fact that Mr. Korotich had been forced off the ballot in Moscow's Sverdlovsk region, and described this as the first successful step in the conservative campaign to use the elections as a vehicle for its political ideas.

'I Am a Stalinist'
''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

Kira A. Korneyenkova was at the rally last Sunday outside the Ostankino Television Center, and she joined several hundred other people in enthusiastic cheers as speaker after speaker called for a fight against ''liberal, Zionist forces'' that seek to control Soviet society.

''I am a Stalinist,'' the 53-year-old schoolteacher said proudly, ''and I think our so-called glasnost has divided our nation. It is our duty to fight against such elements.''



Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev's Policies

 

[bripat9643]

Everything that wasn't Communism, a leftist political and economic system.

You can stamp your feet and pout and insist that everything bad is conservative and everything good is liberal, but it's simply not the case.

So, a Russian or East German conservative would be anti communist?

By your definition of "conservative", yes.

Calling the Stalinists in Russia "conservatives" is just a cheap smear. Liberals always label any group that has a bad reputation as "conservative." According to the liberal propaganda organs (ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN) the Taliban is "conservative." Al Queda is "conservative." Timothy McVeigh was "conservative."

 

[Bfgrn]

So, a Russian or East German conservative would be anti communist?

By your definition of "conservative", yes.

Calling the Stalinists in Russia "conservatives" is just a cheap smear. Liberals always label any group that has a bad reputation as "conservative." According to the liberal propaganda organs (ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN) the Taliban is "conservative." Al Queda is "conservative." Timothy McVeigh was "conservative."

The conservative in Russia called HIMSELF a Stalinist.

Nikita F. Zherbin, head of the Leningrad chapter of Pamyat, delighted in the fact that Mr. Korotich had been forced off the ballot in Moscow's Sverdlovsk region, and described this as the first successful step in the conservative campaign to use the elections as a vehicle for its political ideas.

'I Am a Stalinist'
''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

Pamyat (Russian: Память, Russian pronunciation: [ˈpɑmʲətʲ]; English translation: Memory) is a Russian ultra-nationalist organization identifying itself as the "People's National-patriotic Orthodox Christian movement." It has been accused of racism, xenophobia, and antisemitism. wiki

Over 300 journalists killed in Russia in last 20 years


What Mao Zedong said about liberalism

"Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.

It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads."
Combat Liberalism - Selected Works of Mao Tse-tung


While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

 

[AmericanFirst]

The Wall Street dissenters prove again the hypocrisy and phoniness of republicans, conservatives, and libertarians and all blends of each ideological tag. Freedom only means freedom for markets and for corporate exploitation, when people are free, the conservative republican demeans them. Bailing out the poor is wrong, but as the last conservative republican administration and the current congress demonstrate, bailing out the rich with tax incentives is just lovely.

The republican debate audience and candidates demonstrated their rigid ideological stance, their lack of tolerance, and their heartlessness. The good part of this presentation of the real republican is the American people see them for who they really are. Freedom only means freedom for the privileged few in the republican party.

Are you surprised?

When you understand what conservatism is, every argument they make leads to the same end.

Q: What is conservatism?
A: Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy.

When you understand this and view their words, ask the question; will this lead to some form of an aristocracy?

The answer is always YES...


Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone

Todays liberalism is ruled by socialists. So either ruled by the rich or by socialists. Seeing the brutality of failed socialistic societies in the past I would rather be ruled by the rich. Idiots in this country do not understand that this country gives you the opportunity to make it if you are smart enough to. Just because you are not, don't blame the rich, blame yourself.