CDZ The Tree of Liberty

[Gdjjr]

How much longer do you think the "rulers" can continue to trample our Rights?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

As long as the people permit it.

 

[ReinyDays]

One by one until they're all gone ... if you're participating in this lock down, then you're part of the problem ...

 

[there4eyeM]

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Good question. The only problem is the lack of ability of so many to use their capacities to reason and arrive at accurate conclusions about who really "rules" and what can constructively be done to remove their control. So far, the "left" and the "right" haven't displayed this ability.

 

[there4eyeM]

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Another "revolution!" Thread from the conservatives.

How original.

It appears that some people want to get started shooting some other people. So far, it looks as if the people they want shot are the wrong ones.

 

[TNHarley]

The tree of liberty got chopped down long ago. They even burnt the stump

 

[Gdjjr]

Another "revolution!" Thread from the conservatives.

How original.

I'm not a conservative- try again

I do not know whether it is to yourself or Mr. Adams I am to give my thanks for the copy of the new constitution. I beg leave through you to place them where due. It will be yet three weeks before I shall receive them from America. There are very good articles in it: and very bad. I do not know which preponderate. What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a Chief magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed towards one: and what we have always read of the elections of Polish kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for life. Wonderful is the effect of impudent and persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion.1 The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted.

 

[Olde Europe]

... because, whenever there's a problem, shooting dead some people is the simple, straightforward, and fail-safe "solution".

Of course, that always comes with an equally simple, straightforward, and universally applicable "justification", that is, some sort of nebulous, never really detailed "victim status" - most ominously, some ominously "feel", "they" are trampling on "our" "rights". Doesn't get any more "specific" than that.

Gotta stop here, since I ran out of scare quotes.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

So long as the repressive leaders are allowed to lead by the people.

*****SMILE*****

 

[Lysistrata]

Are you suggesting that we storm the White House?

 

[OldLady]

Another "revolution!" Thread from the conservatives.

How original.

I'm not a conservative- try again

I do not know whether it is to yourself or Mr. Adams I am to give my thanks for the copy of the new constitution. I beg leave through you to place them where due. It will be yet three weeks before I shall receive them from America. There are very good articles in it: and very bad. I do not know which preponderate. What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a Chief magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed towards one: and what we have always read of the elections of Polish kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for life. Wonderful is the effect of impudent and persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion.1 The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted.

Cite? That's interesting. I'd like to know who wrote it.

 

[joaquinmiller]

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Who will you shoot first - the soldiers or the cops?

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

 

[there4eyeM]

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Who will you shoot first - the soldiers or the cops?

They have to be seduced into being on the right side; no need to shoot them. Done correctly, any shooting will be absolutely minimal. No one said the tree had to be inundated.

 

[Olde Europe]

Cite? That's interesting. I'd like to know who wrote it.

Look.

 

[joaquinmiller]

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How much longer do you think the "rulers" can continue to trample our Rights?

Who will you shoot first - the soldiers or the cops?

They have to be seduced into being on the right side; no need to shoot them. Done correctly, any shooting will be absolutely minimal. No one said the tree had to be inundated.

Then you're angling for a military coup, not a revolution. Sounds like a Banana Republican.

 

[Votto]

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Well damn, first we will have to find a supporting wealthy class of highly educated and influential upper class to go along with it and promote it, then try to get France to support the insurrection by providing men, arms, and money, but even then we will all probably fail and be hung for treason.

But ya never know.

 

[danielpalos]

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Our First Amendment is first, for plain reason and legal axioms. Petition for redress of grievances and insist on better solutions at lower cost.

 

[Olde Europe]

"The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."

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They "trample our Rights".

 

[there4eyeM]

I feel my posts here have been a bit 'flip', not entirely serious. Really, while in agreement with the sense of protecting those one cares about from threats of any kind, talking about armed conflict in society is not a joke. Even in colonial days, such warfare was horrendous. It is unthinkable with today's destructive potential in combination with population density.