Mr Natural
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Clearly this thread is just more bullshit from the forums' undisputed Queen of Bullshit.
The "Thinking" Lamp Is Lit!
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Clearly this thread is just more bullshit from the forums' undisputed Queen of Bullshit.
NYcarbineer
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Take me off ignore and I'll beat your peanut sized brain into a small portion of sandwich spread (figuratively speaking of course)
you coward.
lolol
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As I said earlier, this thread's remediation was meant for those with a modicum of innate intelligence.
Hence....not for you.
You need not have proven my post with your efforts at juvenile vulgarity.
Now....get back to the sandbox.
And....have that diaper changed.
Timmy
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Iran's new program was going on unchecked. Eventually they were going to get their new weapon and that was going to cause a lot of problems meaning war.
You act like the US is the only country concerned with Iran. The nuclear deal was done with the number of nations including our allies.
If you want lies then look to the GOP told people the Iran deal gave Iran nuclear weapons.
No.
It's not possible to reset a liberal to a more logical or reasonable condition. Just as there is no cure or reversal for a traumatic brain injury. The only hope is to utilize what little plasticity their tiny brains might have remaining to educate them towards are more logical point of view.
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I should have you on retainer!!!
You make this so easy for me....I should thank you.
So....just to be clear about your explanations for falling for the 'no alternatives' fallacy...
1. You accept the premise of the cryto-Islamist, back-stabbing snake who just vacated the White House.
2. As Obama stated: there were but two opions:
Nuclear weapons for the atavistic rulers of Iran
or
War!
3. And....you say this: "You act like the US is the only country concerned with Iran. The nuclear deal was done with the number of nations including our allies."
In what way is this related to whether or not there were only the two options???
4. As you were challenged to suggest any other options.....to the best of your ability....there are none?
See what I've been saying about Obama supporters trained not to think?
Now.....am I correct that the above represents your position?
Answer...and then I'll utterly atomize it. (reference to 'atom bombs' was intentional.)
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Well....consider this....Trump won by ever metric....electoral college and popular vote.
There is hope.
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Our pal,Timmy, seems a bit hesitant to verify that these are his positions....but they are.
So.....I can get right to proving that they were simply one more lie from the snake.
And...that accepting same proves the thesis of this thread:
Liberals, Progressives, Democrats......have been forbidden to think anything but what their masters tell them to.....individuality and independence has been beaten out of them.
The cowards.
Are you ready Timmy????
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Timmy supports this view:
"Iran's new program was going on unchecked. Eventually they were going to get their new weapon and that was going to cause a lot of problems meaning war."
Obama stated: there were but two options:
Nuclear weapons for the atavistic rulers of Iran
or
War!
Your position must be that there could be no other options.
But this is the truth:
7. There are a number of correct responses...including all sorts of vituperation aimed at the back-stabbing crypto-Islamist who has just vacated the White House.
Here is the context for the correct responses:
The sanctions were strangling Iran...and pushing them to either stop their nuclear program or face a domestic insurrection.
This from the Left-leaning Brookings Institute...
"....the sanctions against Iran — and the context for them internationally and within Iran — have changed dramatically. Since 2010, the sanctions’ impact on Iran has been severe: its oil exports and revenues plummeted; the value of its currency eroded; trade disruptions shuttered businesses and exacerbated inflation.
Quietly, a backlash emerged among Iran’s political elites against the country’s creeping isolation, and the June 2013 presidential election ushered in a moderate new president and the beginnings of a diplomatic breakthrough on the nuclear crisis — achievements that most observers attribute to the impact of sanctions."
Why “Iran Style” Sanctions Worked Against Tehran (And Why They Might Not Succeed with Moscow) | Brookings Institution
So....now you must feel like quite a dunce, huh Timmy?
Not only was there a way to discipline Iran....but it was working!!!!
You simply wouldn't allow yourself to see any other choices but giving the savages nuclear weapons, or war.
You were afraid to think....exactly what the OP said.
And now, Trump has freed you.
Hallelujah!
"Iran's new program was going on unchecked. Eventually they were going to get their new weapon and that was going to cause a lot of problems meaning war."
Obama stated: there were but two options:
Nuclear weapons for the atavistic rulers of Iran
or
War!
Your position must be that there could be no other options.
But this is the truth:
7. There are a number of correct responses...including all sorts of vituperation aimed at the back-stabbing crypto-Islamist who has just vacated the White House.
Here is the context for the correct responses:
The sanctions were strangling Iran...and pushing them to either stop their nuclear program or face a domestic insurrection.
This from the Left-leaning Brookings Institute...
"....the sanctions against Iran — and the context for them internationally and within Iran — have changed dramatically. Since 2010, the sanctions’ impact on Iran has been severe: its oil exports and revenues plummeted; the value of its currency eroded; trade disruptions shuttered businesses and exacerbated inflation.
Quietly, a backlash emerged among Iran’s political elites against the country’s creeping isolation, and the June 2013 presidential election ushered in a moderate new president and the beginnings of a diplomatic breakthrough on the nuclear crisis — achievements that most observers attribute to the impact of sanctions."
Why “Iran Style” Sanctions Worked Against Tehran (And Why They Might Not Succeed with Moscow) | Brookings Institution
So....now you must feel like quite a dunce, huh Timmy?
Not only was there a way to discipline Iran....but it was working!!!!
You simply wouldn't allow yourself to see any other choices but giving the savages nuclear weapons, or war.
You were afraid to think....exactly what the OP said.
And now, Trump has freed you.
Hallelujah!
While I am seriously enjoying the moment of this (Trumps) win, I am skeptical at best for the when it comes to having any hope for the future.
My own bouts of depression and other problems at home aside, I don't see where very many of our newly elected 'leaders' will actually have the courage of their convictions to take the necessary actions to make the differences (long term) that will give me any "HOPE."
The closest it gets (for me) will be when Trump announces his nominees to the Supreme Court.
Even then, Justices like Roberts and even Thomas have disappointed me since they were seated. . . so I am even skeptical beyond that.
We are a nation that is severely divided between those who feel they are entitled to a free ride on everything and those who are forced by the government to provide for them. We are divided on race, deeply held beliefs, immigration, the drug culture, and even the climate.
There seems to be nothing less than sheer disdain for the facts and the truth on ANYTHING anymore. Especially if those facts challenge a preferred point of view.
The challenge of turning any of this around in any significant way is what leaves me feeling as hopeless as I am.
With all of that said, I will enjoy the small victories (like the defeat of Hitlary) in any way and anywhere that I can.
Mr Natural
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Your unnecessarily numbered, pedantic posts don't prove shit other than you can cut and paste and use your big ******* words.
Hey, look at that, yet more vulgarity to wrap your superior brain around.
Have at it, Toots!
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1. Your experience with the betrayals by Republicans and conservatives is, sadly, correct.
Roberts....selling out the law....jaw-dropping.
2. And....we should be prepared for these same in the future....Trump seems to have the right ideas....but he has a Sisyphean task ahead....and the odds are not great.
3. Thursday I posted this thread... Conservatives...Smacked In The Kisser!
....showing that his cabinet is the most conservative in modern history.
Might give some hope.
4. And this....take a look at this analysis from Politico,no less...
Democrats in the Wilderness
And...take heart in that the Left has no answers beyond lies.
Folks may be catching on.
We'll know we've actually won if the media begins calling states by their right names...Red is for communists and Liberals.
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NoNukes
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You are just too thick to understand what we think about.
NoNukes
Gold Member
The right accuses the left of what the right is guilty of. You are the only ones gullible enough to fall for this.
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The silence from our pal Timmy indicates that, as promised, I have atomized his belief in Obama's lie that the only two options were either acquiescence to Iran's demands for nuclear weapons.....
....or war.
The Brookings statements prove that the sanctions were doing exactly what they were intended to do.
Now....why couldn't Liberals like Timmy have realized that Obama was lying, and that there were other alternative options?
Because Liberals are forbidden to think any thoughts that differ from their orthodoxy.
QED....yet one more 100 % OP.
....or war.
The Brookings statements prove that the sanctions were doing exactly what they were intended to do.
Now....why couldn't Liberals like Timmy have realized that Obama was lying, and that there were other alternative options?
Because Liberals are forbidden to think any thoughts that differ from their orthodoxy.
QED....yet one more 100 % OP.
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You don't think at all.
This thread proves it...of course, in your case, no proof was necessary.
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And....now to close the circle and prove that Obama lied through his teeth, and Liberal fear of thinking made them accept the lies.....to borrow a phrase from Edmond Rostand....
"Then, as I end the refrain, thrust home!"
Our Liberal pal said:
"You act like the US is the only country concerned with Iran. The nuclear deal was done with the number of nations including our allies."
Perhaps our Liberal imagined that other nations would abridge the sanctions even if America still applied them....
Liberal Myth: U.S. Sanctions Cannot Work Without International Support.
Wrong.
“And so we could still maintain some of our unilateral sanctions, but it would be far less effective -- as it was before we were able to put together these multilateral sanctions.” – President Obama The Facts The most effective sanctions against Iran have been those that give companies and countries a choice to• do business with Iran or the United States.
When given such a choice – which would still be possible to if Congress rejects this agreement – they have chosen the United States.
The Obama Administration has never liked sanctions, and fought vigorously to oppose sanctions targeting• Iran’s Central Bank in December 2011. Then – as they are now - the Obama Administration claimed that imposing these sanctions would divide the international coalition, and leave the United States alone in the world.
Businesses, and in particular banks, will be hesitate to put a premium on the Iranian market if that would• mean getting shut-out of the United States.
As much as President Obama doesn’t like it, we are still number one in the world. While maintaining a united sanctions front after Congress rejects the nuclear agreement will be difficult,• it will be easier to do so today than five or so years down the line when Iran is caught cheating and a sanctions regime must be reconstituted. There were no signs of the sanctions regime collapsing when the Obama negotiations began.
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/files/04_HFAC - IRAN - Myths and Facts.pdf
OK, Liberals....do your due diligence.
Go forth and sin no more.
And....apply your new-found ability to think to this question: why was it so important for the snake to make certain that the Islamofascists of Iran have nuclear weapons?
Why?
"Then, as I end the refrain, thrust home!"
Our Liberal pal said:
"You act like the US is the only country concerned with Iran. The nuclear deal was done with the number of nations including our allies."
Perhaps our Liberal imagined that other nations would abridge the sanctions even if America still applied them....
Liberal Myth: U.S. Sanctions Cannot Work Without International Support.
Wrong.
“And so we could still maintain some of our unilateral sanctions, but it would be far less effective -- as it was before we were able to put together these multilateral sanctions.” – President Obama The Facts The most effective sanctions against Iran have been those that give companies and countries a choice to• do business with Iran or the United States.
When given such a choice – which would still be possible to if Congress rejects this agreement – they have chosen the United States.
The Obama Administration has never liked sanctions, and fought vigorously to oppose sanctions targeting• Iran’s Central Bank in December 2011. Then – as they are now - the Obama Administration claimed that imposing these sanctions would divide the international coalition, and leave the United States alone in the world.
Businesses, and in particular banks, will be hesitate to put a premium on the Iranian market if that would• mean getting shut-out of the United States.
As much as President Obama doesn’t like it, we are still number one in the world. While maintaining a united sanctions front after Congress rejects the nuclear agreement will be difficult,• it will be easier to do so today than five or so years down the line when Iran is caught cheating and a sanctions regime must be reconstituted. There were no signs of the sanctions regime collapsing when the Obama negotiations began.
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/files/04_HFAC - IRAN - Myths and Facts.pdf
OK, Liberals....do your due diligence.
Go forth and sin no more.
And....apply your new-found ability to think to this question: why was it so important for the snake to make certain that the Islamofascists of Iran have nuclear weapons?
Why?
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