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Data being used to create law should be secret?Yes, keeping data and sources secret is the foundation to good science.This is what happens when you put a career politician with less of a science background than my 15 year old in charge of science based agency.
This is filling the swamp, not emptying it
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Yes, very often the data is confidential. I work as a statistician/data analyst. I collect data from individual operations and then provide reports from the aggregate data provided. The data is provided to me on the condition of that no individuals data will be disclosed, just the aggregate of all the reports. Without this stipulation nobody would share their operations information as it could be used by their competitors.
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Stalin would be proud of you.
Fuck, you people are so stupid. Go back to flipping burgers, your break time is over.
No business is going to give information about their operations that can be used by a competitor knowing it will be made public for all to see.
The analysis, the methodology and the process for the conclusions are all made public. The individual data points are not and never have been.
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Fake or interpolated?Funny thing is that these stupid global warming scientists admitted themselves that they were using fake data. How dumb was that?
I do understand it, it is called Peer Review.If that were their true goal then they should have no problem sharing their science with others. That IS the Scientific Method after all. Any scientist who doesn't follow the SM is on a political mission because if their science can't stand up to scrutiny....it isn't science.
Do you understand that very basic concept?
I'm not a fan of fake data. And if it isn't public, it's fake. K?Scientific American certainly believes it is a bad thing: "This is a move that serves no purpose other than to prevent the EPA from carrying out its mission of protecting public health and the environment."I'm sure somehow science using full disclosure is a bad thing somehow.
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Scott Pruitt will soon end his agency's use of "secret science" to craft regulations.
"We need to make sure their data and methodology are published as part of the record," Pruitt said in an exclusive interview with The Daily Caller News Foundation. "Otherwise, it's not transparent. It's not objectively measured, and that's important."
Pruitt will reverse long-standing EPA policy allowing regulators to rely on non-public scientific data in crafting rules. Such studies have been used to justify tens of billions of dollars worth of regulations.
"EPA regulators would only be allowed to consider scientific studies that make their data available for public scrutiny under Pruitt’s new policy. Also, EPA-funded studies would need to make all their data public."
EXCLUSIVE: Scott Pruitt Will End EPA’s Use Of ‘Secret Science’ To Justify Regulations
Data being used to create law should be secret?Yes, keeping data and sources secret is the foundation to good science.This is what happens when you put a career politician with less of a science background than my 15 year old in charge of science based agency.
This is filling the swamp, not emptying it
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Yes, very often the data is confidential. I work as a statistician/data analyst. I collect data from individual operations and then provide reports from the aggregate data provided. The data is provided to me on the condition of that no individuals data will be disclosed, just the aggregate of all the reports. Without this stipulation nobody would share their operations information as it could be used by their competitors.
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Stalin would be proud of you.
Fuck, you people are so stupid. Go back to flipping burgers, your break time is over.
No business is going to give information about their operations that can be used by a competitor knowing it will be made public for all to see.
The analysis, the methodology and the process for the conclusions are all made public. The individual data points are not and never have been.
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Bullshit. You are either clueless, or a liar. The Scientific Method DEMANDS that all aspects of a scientific study be made available to others so that results can be checked. These are government scientists which means the data they create belongs to US you halfwit.
Modeling is valid science, for example, we'd never have developed nuclear weapons without them. The real question is are these models valid and I'm not competent to judge that (are you?), so I trust science to learn, test, and refine them.Fake or interpolated?Funny thing is that these stupid global warming scientists admitted themselves that they were using fake data. How dumb was that?
Are computer models data?
Union of Concerned ScientistsFake or interpolated?Funny thing is that these stupid global warming scientists admitted themselves that they were using fake data. How dumb was that?
Go read the Climategate emails. Admitted fake. Also, after Obama corrupted NASA and NOAA those government agencies put out data they knew was fake.
Data being used to create law should be secret?Yes, keeping data and sources secret is the foundation to good science.
Yes, very often the data is confidential. I work as a statistician/data analyst. I collect data from individual operations and then provide reports from the aggregate data provided. The data is provided to me on the condition of that no individuals data will be disclosed, just the aggregate of all the reports. Without this stipulation nobody would share their operations information as it could be used by their competitors.
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Stalin would be proud of you.
Fuck, you people are so stupid. Go back to flipping burgers, your break time is over.
No business is going to give information about their operations that can be used by a competitor knowing it will be made public for all to see.
The analysis, the methodology and the process for the conclusions are all made public. The individual data points are not and never have been.
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Bullshit. You are either clueless, or a liar. The Scientific Method DEMANDS that all aspects of a scientific study be made available to others so that results can be checked. These are government scientists which means the data they create belongs to US you halfwit.
You are full of shit.
As an example...
Right now the USDA is conducting the Census of Agricultural, the findings from this are used by a dozen agencies (to include the EPA) to set policies and laws and will be the basis for the next Farm Bill.
Roughly 2,000,000 operations will respond and provide their data. That data is confidential and nobody outside of those working on the Census will ever see the raw data from each response.
Under the new, stupid EPA rules this data could not be used.
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Thanks, I read that one too after I saw the OP was sourcing the bias daily caller. Sad that now a days we gotta Read multiple accounts of the same report to get a sense of what the facts are.House passes bill to ban EPA 'secret science'How is this draining the swamp? Also this bill was put up in he past... Why didn’t it pass the senate when they had a Republican majority? Maybe there’s more to the story than the dailycaller presents?I'm sure somehow science using full disclosure is a bad thing somehow.
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Scott Pruitt will soon end his agency's use of "secret science" to craft regulations.
"We need to make sure their data and methodology are published as part of the record," Pruitt said in an exclusive interview with The Daily Caller News Foundation. "Otherwise, it's not transparent. It's not objectively measured, and that's important."
Pruitt will reverse long-standing EPA policy allowing regulators to rely on non-public scientific data in crafting rules. Such studies have been used to justify tens of billions of dollars worth of regulations.
"EPA regulators would only be allowed to consider scientific studies that make their data available for public scrutiny under Pruitt’s new policy. Also, EPA-funded studies would need to make all their data public."
EXCLUSIVE: Scott Pruitt Will End EPA’s Use Of ‘Secret Science’ To Justify Regulations
Modeling is valid science, for example, we'd never have developed nuclear weapons without them. The real question is are these models valid and I'm not competent to judge that (are you?), so I trust science to learn, test, and refine them.Fake or interpolated?Funny thing is that these stupid global warming scientists admitted themselves that they were using fake data. How dumb was that?
Are computer models data?
Union of Concerned ScientistsFake or interpolated?Funny thing is that these stupid global warming scientists admitted themselves that they were using fake data. How dumb was that?
Go read the Climategate emails. Admitted fake. Also, after Obama corrupted NASA and NOAA those government agencies put out data they knew was fake.
The email content being quoted does not indicate that climate data and research have been compromised. Most importantly, nothing in the content of these stolen emails has any impact on our overall understanding that human activities are driving dangerous levels of global warming. Media reports and contrarian claims that they do are inaccurate. Six official investigations have cleared scientists of accusations of wrongdoing.
Data used to alter the economy should never be secret, comrade.Data being used to create law should be secret?Yes, keeping data and sources secret is the foundation to good science.
Yes, very often the data is confidential. I work as a statistician/data analyst. I collect data from individual operations and then provide reports from the aggregate data provided. The data is provided to me on the condition of that no individuals data will be disclosed, just the aggregate of all the reports. Without this stipulation nobody would share their operations information as it could be used by their competitors.
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Stalin would be proud of you.
Fuck, you people are so stupid. Go back to flipping burgers, your break time is over.
No business is going to give information about their operations that can be used by a competitor knowing it will be made public for all to see.
The analysis, the methodology and the process for the conclusions are all made public. The individual data points are not and never have been.
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Bullshit. You are either clueless, or a liar. The Scientific Method DEMANDS that all aspects of a scientific study be made available to others so that results can be checked. These are government scientists which means the data they create belongs to US you halfwit.
You are full of shit.
As an example...
Right now the USDA is conducting the Census of Agricultural, the findings from this are used by a dozen agencies (to include the EPA) to set policies and laws and will be the basis for the next Farm Bill.
Roughly 2,000,000 operations will respond and provide their data. That data is confidential and nobody outside of those working on the Census will ever see the raw data from each response.
Under the new, stupid EPA rules this data could not be used.
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yeah, I have sort of mixed feelings on the science thing. On one hand, there are people funding solely by industries that want to pollute more and cheaper, so the EPA is a target. But on the other hand, it does seem like the EPA attracts employees who are elitist tree hugger types.Thanks, I read that one too after I saw the OP was sourcing the bias daily caller. Sad that now a days we gotta Read multiple accounts of the same report to get a sense of what the facts are.House passes bill to ban EPA 'secret science'How is this draining the swamp? Also this bill was put up in he past... Why didn’t it pass the senate when they had a Republican majority? Maybe there’s more to the story than the dailycaller presents?I'm sure somehow science using full disclosure is a bad thing somehow.
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Scott Pruitt will soon end his agency's use of "secret science" to craft regulations.
"We need to make sure their data and methodology are published as part of the record," Pruitt said in an exclusive interview with The Daily Caller News Foundation. "Otherwise, it's not transparent. It's not objectively measured, and that's important."
Pruitt will reverse long-standing EPA policy allowing regulators to rely on non-public scientific data in crafting rules. Such studies have been used to justify tens of billions of dollars worth of regulations.
"EPA regulators would only be allowed to consider scientific studies that make their data available for public scrutiny under Pruitt’s new policy. Also, EPA-funded studies would need to make all their data public."
EXCLUSIVE: Scott Pruitt Will End EPA’s Use Of ‘Secret Science’ To Justify Regulations
The best computer models in the world as of 5PM last night said 100% chance of heavy rain last night into today.Modeling is valid science, for example, we'd never have developed nuclear weapons without them. The real question is are these models valid and I'm not competent to judge that (are you?), so I trust science to learn, test, and refine them.Fake or interpolated?Funny thing is that these stupid global warming scientists admitted themselves that they were using fake data. How dumb was that?
Are computer models data?
Data being used to create law should be secret?Yes, very often the data is confidential. I work as a statistician/data analyst. I collect data from individual operations and then provide reports from the aggregate data provided. The data is provided to me on the condition of that no individuals data will be disclosed, just the aggregate of all the reports. Without this stipulation nobody would share their operations information as it could be used by their competitors.
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Stalin would be proud of you.
Fuck, you people are so stupid. Go back to flipping burgers, your break time is over.
No business is going to give information about their operations that can be used by a competitor knowing it will be made public for all to see.
The analysis, the methodology and the process for the conclusions are all made public. The individual data points are not and never have been.
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Bullshit. You are either clueless, or a liar. The Scientific Method DEMANDS that all aspects of a scientific study be made available to others so that results can be checked. These are government scientists which means the data they create belongs to US you halfwit.
You are full of shit.
As an example...
Right now the USDA is conducting the Census of Agricultural, the findings from this are used by a dozen agencies (to include the EPA) to set policies and laws and will be the basis for the next Farm Bill.
Roughly 2,000,000 operations will respond and provide their data. That data is confidential and nobody outside of those working on the Census will ever see the raw data from each response.
Under the new, stupid EPA rules this data could not be used.
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That is a survey, moron, not a scientific study. Before you make a fool of yourself, yet again, learn a little bit about what you are speaking about.
This is what happens when you put a career politician with less of a science background than my 15 year old in charge of science based agency.
This is filling the swamp, not emptying it
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You should flee to Mexico while you still can.All I see is Pruitt allowing big business to make more money by continuing polluting our water & air.
instead of having to spend money to clean up the messes they make.
Data used to alter the economy should never be secret, comrade.Data being used to create law should be secret?Yes, very often the data is confidential. I work as a statistician/data analyst. I collect data from individual operations and then provide reports from the aggregate data provided. The data is provided to me on the condition of that no individuals data will be disclosed, just the aggregate of all the reports. Without this stipulation nobody would share their operations information as it could be used by their competitors.
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Stalin would be proud of you.
Fuck, you people are so stupid. Go back to flipping burgers, your break time is over.
No business is going to give information about their operations that can be used by a competitor knowing it will be made public for all to see.
The analysis, the methodology and the process for the conclusions are all made public. The individual data points are not and never have been.
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Bullshit. You are either clueless, or a liar. The Scientific Method DEMANDS that all aspects of a scientific study be made available to others so that results can be checked. These are government scientists which means the data they create belongs to US you halfwit.
You are full of shit.
As an example...
Right now the USDA is conducting the Census of Agricultural, the findings from this are used by a dozen agencies (to include the EPA) to set policies and laws and will be the basis for the next Farm Bill.
Roughly 2,000,000 operations will respond and provide their data. That data is confidential and nobody outside of those working on the Census will ever see the raw data from each response.
Under the new, stupid EPA rules this data could not be used.
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But you cockroaches hate the light, that is obvious.
That’s why your science requires secrecy.Data being used to create law should be secret?
Stalin would be proud of you.
Fuck, you people are so stupid. Go back to flipping burgers, your break time is over.
No business is going to give information about their operations that can be used by a competitor knowing it will be made public for all to see.
The analysis, the methodology and the process for the conclusions are all made public. The individual data points are not and never have been.
Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com
Bullshit. You are either clueless, or a liar. The Scientific Method DEMANDS that all aspects of a scientific study be made available to others so that results can be checked. These are government scientists which means the data they create belongs to US you halfwit.
You are full of shit.
As an example...
Right now the USDA is conducting the Census of Agricultural, the findings from this are used by a dozen agencies (to include the EPA) to set policies and laws and will be the basis for the next Farm Bill.
Roughly 2,000,000 operations will respond and provide their data. That data is confidential and nobody outside of those working on the Census will ever see the raw data from each response.
Under the new, stupid EPA rules this data could not be used.
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That is a survey, moron, not a scientific study. Before you make a fool of yourself, yet again, learn a little bit about what you are speaking about.
If you had even half of a brain you would know that the statistical results have the rigors and requirements of any other scientific study.
I take it you have never heard the term “data scientist”.
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