The Real Problem with Immigration

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJxmJZXgNI]YouTube - Testimony of illegal alien care from 1 Florida hospital[/ame]


    Do they really even care...?
     
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    This is really an extension of the problem of illegal immigration, and a big one, but the problem is that they are here in the first place.
    Chances are, though, these people were working and in the majority of cases, but not all, paying taxes. One of the problems is that there is a windfall of cash to the federal government that results from illegal aliens working here.

    An employer gets a drivers liscense, address and Social Security number from a person, that is all they primarily do. He then withholds tax from his employees and pays his half of the SS tax and sends it in to the government, typically quarterly.

    Most of these workers are typically lower paid people, but not always. (Ever walked past a construction site these days? usually not minimum wage) So, normally, they would get nearly everything they paid in back at the end of the year, but they aren't going to file. Their SS numbers are all bogus and they aren't going to give out their real address. So, what happens is I submit my taxes at the end of the year and, by chance, someone else pays in using my SS number as well.

    Does the government go, hey, you paid in more than you say you did. There was money coming in under my SS number from the other side of the country. Hell, no.

    No, they keep it and ignore it. They want to ignore it. It money for free. How hard could it be to see how much taxes are being paid in that comes from a bogus SS number or duplicate numbers? Pretty simple database query, right? But have you ever heard or seen that information anywhere? I don't think so and you probably won't any time too soon.

    If health care was tied to paying taxes there would at least be some means of paying for it.
     
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    Brian, I decided to post my reply here cause I’m gonna cite the video you posted.

    I understand Shogun’s frustration perfectly.

    If you reread my previous post as well as the ones I posted elsewhere you’re gonna see the only thing I said is that his anger towards Mexico is misdirected.

    Aside: That thread (How to destroy the USA IN SIX EASY STEPS..............) degenerated into a regrettable virtual brawl due to Shogun’s trolling and MAINLY, his tendency to refer to Mexico as “shithole this”, “shithole that”.

    Regarding the infamous message (n° 100), I want the members of the board to know I don’t believe a single world I said there.
     
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    Brian,

    I’m gonna make a brief comparison between Palestine, Tibet and America so you can realize the absurdity of portraying the US as a victim of any other country.

    From 1920 to 1948, the whole region of Palestine was under british military occupation (more than 100.000 soldiers).

    The streets of Jerusalem, Haifa, etc, etc, were patrolled by british soldiers who also repressed any attempt by the Palestinian people to take control over their homeland.

    Everything in Palestine, from garbage collection to border control, was controlled by foreigners.

    If you entered the equivalent of the White House in 1940 you would find people speaking English with British accent instead of Arabic. Palestinians couldn’t take any decision at the federal level.

    The Palestinian people had no say on crucial issues like immigration. The only thing they could do was to beg the british authorities to stop the flow of jewish immigration and pray their request would not fall on deaf ears.

    Ordinary Palestinians watched thousands upon thousands of European jews arriving in their homeland and were desperate because they couldn’t do anything about it.

    For all practical purposes they were subjects of the Crown.
     
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    Now answer me these questions, Brian:

    Where are the Mexican troops occupying the White House, the Capitol and the rest of the country and preventing a legitimate American government to enforce the laws of the land and deport any illegal resident?

    What’s the name of the Mexican civil servant who’s presently in the US and who was appointed by the Mexican president to rule the US as an occupied territory?


    A simple comparison between Palestine under the british mandate and present day America reveals the grotesque nature of presenting America as a victim of its hispanic neighbors, Brian.

    The country enjoys full sovereignty to enforce its laws the way it sees fit and even ignore them as it has been doing.

    But Mexico provides the perfect scapegoat for some people:

    “The country faces immigration problems because I’m too busy shopping to spend day after day picketing in front of the White House and I feel bad about it.

    But here comes this japanese medieval warrior saying it’s Mexico’s fault and it sounds like music to my ears”.

     
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    You have many members of the board who hold basically the same opinion as Shogun:

    AllieBaba, GunnyL, RetiredGySgt, CSM, Kathianne, to name a few.

    All these individuals are American patriots, Brian. No one can “accuse” them of being fair to foreign countries.

    But none of them blames Mexico for America’s immigration problems. Shogun is a lonely voice here blaming Mexico for the dereliction of duty on the part of the US authorities.

    Shogun’s “blame Mexico first” mentality is so absurd, so insane that even super patriots like Baba, Gunny and Sergeant feel embarrassed to publicly support this view.

    This speaks volumes, bro.
     
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    my anger towards mexico isn't misdirected. If MEXICO wasn't such a fucking bowl of shit then the US wouldn't seem like a norther city of gold. Go fix your own nation without assuming the US is your fucking gauze bandage.


    hey, blame someone else for the state of your biased argument, dude. Hell, if you gave half as much effort to CLEANING UP MEXICO as you do making excuses for illegals then perhaps you might have clean drinking water like we do.
     
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    oh, and your Palestine example is fucking retarded. We already established the difference between the MEXICAN GOVERNMENT ALLOWING THE GRINGOS versus THE WEST CARVING OUT ISRAEL DESPITE THE PALS.

    Remember? history probably didn't change since the last thread.
     
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    no AMERICA has many MEMBERS who hold this same opinion. I realize that you don't give a fuck about the people whose nation you are using for toilet paper but, hey.. i guess thats why illegals cant get drivers licenses.

    FAIR to foreign countries? are you kissing me? what a goddamn joke. Who says we have to assimilate the poverty stricken runoff in order to be FAIR?

    HA!

    yea, dude. I sure am the lone voice. so unique is my opinion!

    :thup:



    and yes, I do blame Mexico first just like I would blame any other country who decided to drop off their unwanted on our doorstep.. Like I said, go clean up the shit in your own yard before telling AMERICA how it's got to accommodate that dog you allow to shit in OURs.
     
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    With all due respect, I am well aware of historic events. If you really watch the video that I posted, it has nothing to do with Shogun and/or blaming Mexico for illegal immigration...although I do believe that Mexico does "share" blame. The video is actually blaming the U.S. government as well as it's lack of immigration enforcement. The hospital was spending billions on an illegal alien...when reported, the law enforcement agencies didn't care. I'm not blaming Mexico for our lack of enforcement when it comes to immigration policy.

    Now, on the other hand, you have a country that has done a shitty job (not that the U.S. hasn't) of improving the lives of it's citizens--in certain areas. The opposite can be see of this. Life in the U.S. is obviously better, hence, immigrants flood over the border to be here. If it were the other way around, and Mexico had the better economy and more stability, you might have Americans immigrating to Mexico. I do not blame Mexico for enforcing immigration laws into the U.S., however, I do hold Mexico responsible for not doing what it needs to do to improve live south of the border. If life was improved, you may not have many Mexicans coming here illegally.
     

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