The REAL job creators...........

[KissMy]

Talking point lie #226. The right says that the top 1% create all jobs...


The truth.

Small business creates the bulk of the jobs in the United States. These small businesses get loans for their businesses which provide capital for them to operate. This capital comes from larger corporations and banks that have made good investment choices.

The top 1% are heavily invested in those corporations AND small businesses.

Any thinking liberals here in this thread? Care to make the connections?

Start-ups are the real job creators. They are funded by seed money from "friends, family and fools" (FFF) & by government small business administration. Angel investors capital fills the gap in start-up financing between seed funding and venture capital. Venture capital & the top 1% mainly invest in sure things that they can grow & replicate all over the world. We need to get money into the hands of people who provide seed funding for people in their parents basement or garage. That means a large middle class. We also need more money for R&D involving large collaborations on complex discovery innovations.

Education for the smart innovators is also the best job creator. Not excessive education of the entire populous or certain classes of people. Only the ones who continue to out perform. Pissing education money away on fairness & social justice destroys jobs.

 

[KissMy]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc"]The surprising truth about what motivates us[/ame]

 

[Old Rocks]

Their slogan is “ideas worth spreading.” But the folks at TED – the Technology Entertainment and Design nonprofit behind the TED Talks, beloved by geeks and others interested in novel new ideas – evidently think that some ideas are better left unspread. At least when the ideas in question challenge the conventional wisdom that rich enterpreneurs are the number one job creators.



This past March, millionaire tech investor and entrepreneur Nick Hanauer – one of the early backers of Amazon.com – gave a talk at a TED conference in which, among other things, suggested that middle-class consumers, not rich people, are the real job creators – and that because of this rich people should be paying more in taxes. Though the talk drew applause from conference attendees at the time, TED Talk curator Chris Anderson decided it wasn’t worth sharing with the wider world, and refused to post it on TED’s website.

His explanation? The talk was “too political” to be posted during an election year, and that “a lot of business managers and entrepreneurs would feel insulted” by some of Hanauer’s arguments. This seems more than a tad disingenuous, since TED generally doesn’t shy away from controversial ideas, and is sometimes so “political” that it invites actual politicians to talk at its conferences.


Read more: Was Nick Hanauer’s TED Talk on Income Inequality Too Rich for Rich People? | Business | TIME.com

And here's his talk......................

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIhOXCgSunc]A TED Talk on Income Inequality by Nick Hanauer - YouTube[/ame]

He actually makes a lot of sense, because it's not really the venture capitalists who create jobs, it's the demand set up by the middle class for a product that causes someone else to see the need, THEN go to someone for money to start up a business, and the business will succeed if the demand for the product from the general population is sufficient to generate a profit.

So, if you want to know who the real job creators are, it's us as the middle class consumers, not the venture capitalists, because all they do is sit on their money and draw off the interest.

The only job you can do is a blow job of the Left. As many times as it has been explained on this site that consumer demand does not create jobs you are still playing that tired old song.
SOme people never learn.

Some people never learn to answer a post with something that actually has content.

 

[The Rabbi]

Talking point lie #226. The right says that the top 1% create all jobs...


The truth.

Small business creates the bulk of the jobs in the United States. These small businesses get loans for their businesses which provide capital for them to operate. This capital comes from larger corporations and banks that have made good investment choices.

The top 1% are heavily invested in those corporations AND small businesses.

Any thinking liberals here in this thread? Care to make the connections?

I will stipulate that small business secures loans from banks and the Federal Government (Small business Administration). You need to provide evidence that small business secures as many loans from corporations.

We know banks loan money to small business deposited by their customers; I doubt the 1% puts millions of dollars into bank accounts - working stiffs do. 1% ers are diversified, they invest in precious metals, property - here and abroad - art and in stocks and bonds of companies here and around the world.

In short, your conclusion is supported by your opinions, not by facts.

You dont know much about banking, do you?

 

[RDD_1210]

Of course demand drives the market. More so, it's purchasing power of the middle class that is the true driver. Without that purchasing power everything else slows down. It doesn't matter how much money a product has supporting it, it has to be something that people want AND have disposable income to spend it on. This is why giving further tax breaks to people who already have money won't do a thing to increase the purchasing power of the middle class....or those who drive the economy and create jobs.

 

[RDD_1210]

Talking point lie #226. The right says that the top 1% create all jobs...


The truth.

Small business creates the bulk of the jobs in the United States. These small businesses get loans for their businesses which provide capital for them to operate. This capital comes from larger corporations and banks that have made good investment choices.

The top 1% are heavily invested in those corporations AND small businesses.

Any thinking liberals here in this thread? Care to make the connections?

I will stipulate that small business secures loans from banks and the Federal Government (Small business Administration). You need to provide evidence that small business secures as many loans from corporations.

We know banks loan money to small business deposited by their customers; I doubt the 1% puts millions of dollars into bank accounts - working stiffs do. 1% ers are diversified, they invest in precious metals, property - here and abroad - art and in stocks and bonds of companies here and around the world.

In short, your conclusion is supported by your opinions, not by facts.

You dont know much about banking, do you?

Why don't you tell us about your banking credentials and expertise.

 

[SniperFire]

Of course demand drives the market. More so, it's purchasing power of the middle class that is the true driver.

You seem to disagree with Pelosi then, who claims that food stamps to the poor is the best way to create jobs.

 

[Stephanie]

Talking point lie #226. The right says that the top 1% create all jobs...


The truth.

Small business creates the bulk of the jobs in the United States. These small businesses get loans for their businesses which provide capital for them to operate. This capital comes from larger corporations and banks that have made good investment choices.

The top 1% are heavily invested in those corporations AND small businesses.

Any thinking liberals here in this thread? Care to make the connections?

well your talking point...the right says that the top 1% create all the jobs...is a lie
I know of nobody who thinks that..

edit: I apologize..I read your post wrong

 

[RDD_1210]

Of course demand drives the market. More so, it's purchasing power of the middle class that is the true driver.

You seem to disagree with Pelosi then, who claims that food stamps to the poor is the best way to create jobs.

And you seem to disagree with conservative principles that you should earn your own way in life and have a job.

 

[The Rabbi]

Of course demand drives the market. More so, it's purchasing power of the middle class that is the true driver. Without that purchasing power everything else slows down. It doesn't matter how much money a product has supporting it, it has to be something that people want AND have disposable income to spend it on. This is why giving further tax breaks to people who already have money won't do a thing to increase the purchasing power of the middle class....or those who drive the economy and create jobs.

So your recommendation is to take money from the wealthy and give it to the middle class?

 

[The Rabbi]

I will stipulate that small business secures loans from banks and the Federal Government (Small business Administration). You need to provide evidence that small business secures as many loans from corporations.

We know banks loan money to small business deposited by their customers; I doubt the 1% puts millions of dollars into bank accounts - working stiffs do. 1% ers are diversified, they invest in precious metals, property - here and abroad - art and in stocks and bonds of companies here and around the world.

In short, your conclusion is supported by your opinions, not by facts.

You dont know much about banking, do you?

Why don't you tell us about your banking credentials and expertise.

I've had a bank account longer than you've been alive.
That isn't much, but it beats any credential you have in anything by a factor of about 100.

 

[The Rabbi]

Of course demand drives the market. More so, it's purchasing power of the middle class that is the true driver.

You seem to disagree with Pelosi then, who claims that food stamps to the poor is the best way to create jobs.

And you seem to disagree with conservative principles that you should earn your own way in life and have a job.

Uh, no. Your dyslexia is kicking in again. There was no statement to that effect.

 

[naturegirl]

Talking point lie #226. The right says that the top 1% create all jobs...


The truth.

Small business creates the bulk of the jobs in the United States. These small businesses get loans for their businesses which provide capital for them to operate. This capital comes from larger corporations and banks that have made good investment choices.

The top 1% are heavily invested in those corporations AND small businesses.

Any thinking liberals here in this thread? Care to make the connections?

I will stipulate that small business secures loans from banks and the Federal Government (Small business Administration). You need to provide evidence that small business secures as many loans from corporations.

We know banks loan money to small business deposited by their customers; I doubt the 1% puts millions of dollars into bank accounts - working stiffs do. 1% ers are diversified, they invest in precious metals, property - here and abroad - art and in stocks and bonds of companies here and around the world.

In short, your conclusion is supported by your opinions, not by facts.

Not surprising, you would be incorrect.

Small businesses secure loans from banks, but banks make loans from deposits on customers PLUS.....PLUS!! The deposits of large corporations. The SBA gets it money from the government, but play a minor role in the free market compared to the rest of the market.

So, large businesses have to keep their money somewhere, and that is usually banks. It is where they get their working capital. As any first year college student can tell you, the working capital is idle much of the time, and that money is put to good use by banks in profits from interest generated from loans on the deposits in the banks.

You getting the idea this is a circle yet?

Those deposits come from investments, profits and some of the 1%'ers.

So, the deposits fund the loans, the loans fund the small business and the small business provides the jobs. The jobs provide the the money that drives the business......and we go turn in turn...

Still want some links to something that is so basic its like saying you want a link to the fact that yellow hair is called blonde.

Don't you know, you put your money in the bank and it just sits there, waiting for you to take it out. Same with large corporations and investment companies.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Their slogan is “ideas worth spreading.” But the folks at TED – the Technology Entertainment and Design nonprofit behind the TED Talks, beloved by geeks and others interested in novel new ideas – evidently think that some ideas are better left unspread. At least when the ideas in question challenge the conventional wisdom that rich enterpreneurs are the number one job creators.



This past March, millionaire tech investor and entrepreneur Nick Hanauer – one of the early backers of Amazon.com – gave a talk at a TED conference in which, among other things, suggested that middle-class consumers, not rich people, are the real job creators – and that because of this rich people should be paying more in taxes. Though the talk drew applause from conference attendees at the time, TED Talk curator Chris Anderson decided it wasn’t worth sharing with the wider world, and refused to post it on TED’s website.

His explanation? The talk was “too political” to be posted during an election year, and that “a lot of business managers and entrepreneurs would feel insulted” by some of Hanauer’s arguments. This seems more than a tad disingenuous, since TED generally doesn’t shy away from controversial ideas, and is sometimes so “political” that it invites actual politicians to talk at its conferences.


Read more: Was Nick Hanauer’s TED Talk on Income Inequality Too Rich for Rich People? | Business | TIME.com

And here's his talk......................

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIhOXCgSunc]A TED Talk on Income Inequality by Nick Hanauer - YouTube[/ame]

He actually makes a lot of sense, because it's not really the venture capitalists who create jobs, it's the demand set up by the middle class for a product that causes someone else to see the need, THEN go to someone for money to start up a business, and the business will succeed if the demand for the product from the general population is sufficient to generate a profit.

So, if you want to know who the real job creators are, it's us as the middle class consumers, not the venture capitalists, because all they do is sit on their money and draw off the interest.

WOW !! That sounds just like capitalism !! To bad the dems make it damn near impossible to start and grow a business with all the BS fees,fines and and regulations.
That you would even post this is ridiculous. Republicans have been saying for years that small business is the backbone of the US economy. Nice try....

 

[zeke]

Why don't Liberals move to countries that also hate their 1% like Cuba or North Korea?

Same reason you can't quit being so fucking stupid. We don't want to.

 

[zeke]

So all you got to do is borrow a lot of money and open a business and then, presto, without customers you will have a successful business.

No demand for your goods and services but just by borrowing money and opening a business you will be successfull.

Is that really what some of you asshole rethugs think? Gimme a fuking break.

Without demand from a consumer with money to spend for a companies goods or service, you can't be a successful businessman.

You can borrow billions and come up with a terrible product. You think people will buy it just because you borrowed a lot of money.

And you REALLY think bankers are looking to lend money to start up companies when they HAVE NO CUSTOMERS.

Did any of you rethugs ever look at how the banks are sitting on mountians of cash because either 1. no company is expanding because of lack of demand or 2. people looking to start a business are holding back because there is no demand that isn't being met.

Do some of you really claim to be "business people"? Pitiful ones if you are. Go out and borrow a bunch of money and see if you can create some customers with money to spend on your goods or service.
Should be a piece of cake, you just borrow money and then the customers come. LMAO at you fools.

 

[SniperFire]

So all you got to do is borrow a lot of money and open a business and then, presto, without customers you will have a successful business.

No demand for your goods and services but just by borrowing money and opening a business you will be successfull.

Nobody makes that strawman argument, of course.

But in fact, you stupid Keynesian Obamites make the corollary, which states that mindless printing and pumping of cash to the peeps without associated productivity is somehow sustainable.

How did that work out for Zimbawbe? Argentina? Japan?

Not that you would understand any of this.

Best if you just close your eyes and repeat to yourself: hopey changey hopey changey hopey changey

 

[RDD_1210]

You dont know much about banking, do you?

Why don't you tell us about your banking credentials and expertise.

I've had a bank account longer than you've been alive.
That isn't much, but it beats any credential you have in anything by a factor of about 100.

LOL, you having a bank account is your credentials?? LMAO! Thanks for the laugh, holy shit that made my day.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Government spending, and welfare create jobs and lead to prosperity

Every "progressive" understands this.........lol

 

[RDD_1210]

So all you got to do is borrow a lot of money and open a business and then, presto, without customers you will have a successful business.

No demand for your goods and services but just by borrowing money and opening a business you will be successfull.

Is that really what some of you asshole rethugs think? Gimme a fuking break.

Without demand from a consumer with money to spend for a companies goods or service, you can't be a successful businessman.

You can borrow billions and come up with a terrible product. You think people will buy it just because you borrowed a lot of money.

And you REALLY think bankers are looking to lend money to start up companies when they HAVE NO CUSTOMERS.

Did any of you rethugs ever look at how the banks are sitting on mountians of cash because either 1. no company is expanding because of lack of demand or 2. people looking to start a business are holding back because there is no demand that isn't being met.

Do some of you really claim to be "business people"? Pitiful ones if you are. Go out and borrow a bunch of money and see if you can create some customers with money to spend on your goods or service.
Should be a piece of cake, you just borrow money and then the customers come. LMAO at you fools.

Spot on. But don't try and tell them anything...they are experts, they have bank accounts. LOL.