The Politics of General Patton

[Camp]

"No bastard ever won a war dying for his coutry. He won it by making some other poor dumb bastard die for his country" - G. Patton

That's the view I take with enhanced interrogation.

A knee slapping, but nonsense quote. Shows what Patton thought of his men also. He considered the ones who died following his orders as "poor dumb bastards".

He would have considered you just a simple minded bastard.

He pretty much thought of everyone that way, believing himself to be a combined reincarnation of the greatest warriors in history. He viewed himself as god like or at least a messenger from god.

He would have thought of you that way.

If we had more people willing to fight like him in order to win instead of people like you that want us to fight with the mindset of not losing, we wouldn't have the problems we have with our enemies. It would take making a few examples for the smart ones to learn. The stupid ones would simply become more examples for the smart ones to see.

I am OK with Patton. He was our best battle commander, or battlefield General for the task he was assigned. He had what it takes to command a shock force. Given unlimited reserves of men and tanks along with fuel, food and ammo, there was nothing that could stop him. He was perfectly willing to be "Blood and Guts" and absorb huge casualties to accomplish the missions he was tasked with. Not all Generals are willing to do that consistently and as the main component of their battlefield tactics.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. "Roosevelt to have been a great man..."
True, if you have no love or respect for the Constitution


2. "--because it was necessary..."
Perhaps something was necessary...but not Roosevelt's steps.
Need proof?
Under Franklin Roosevelt- "No depression, or recession, had ever lasted even half this long."

8,020,000 Americans were unemployed in 1931. In 1939, after the excellent decisions by Franklin Roosevelt, there were 9,480,000 unemployed.
Folsom, "New Deal of Raw Deal," p. 3.

3. "during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult---"
Still is, to the cogent.
Unless you are copacetic with over 100 million slaughtered by them.
Are you?


4. "if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid"
Because you were blackballed if you weren't.
. George Earle was a special emissary of FDR's to Europe...and returned in 1944 with proof that implicated the Soviets in the Katyn Forest massacre (In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.) Earle testified later at the Katyn Forest hearings that Joe Levy of the NYTimes, warned him that bringing an anti-Soviet report to FDR would be a career ender : "George, you don't know what you are going to over there. Harry Hopkins has completed domination over the President and the whole atmosphere over there is 'pink.'"
West, "American Betrayal," p.211.

On March 22, 1945, FDR wrote to Earle: "I have noted with concern your plan to publicize your unfavorable opinion of one of our allies. I do not wish you to do so. Not only do I not wish it, I specifically forbid you to do so." He then ordered Earle to Samoa for the duration.

5. "that was entirely republican and quite Nazi."
Did you notice that the OP showed how well FDR got along with Adolph Hitler?
Care to deny that?


6. I'd love to respond to you bringing in Darwin and Marx....also a fav topic for me...but for now I'll stick to FDR, Hitler and Mussolini.

In all seriousness...I loved your post, and really enjoyed responding to it.

I hope you can do the same with the rest of the thread I intend on posting.

I'm really looking forward to hearing about Patton.

GENERAL Patton------now you know it all ---or almost all
of it-------

I read Patton's book "The War As I Knew It" many years ago, I was hoping the author of the OP could add some perspective to Patton's recollections.

If only you were capable of learning.....(sigh...)

Please go on, do continue......I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation waiting for your next stunning revelation.

Had I known that, I would have greased the seat.

Are you going to start in with that sexual stuff again?

aw gee-----you one-upped me........ my retort was going to
be----"hey---no action below the waist"

So how about that Gen. Patton anyway........quite a guy huh. I wonder when we get to that part of the discussion?

This thread began with the erroneous "George Patton was pretty irrelevant politically."
General Patton Speaks With God Page 8 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum



Let's examine why Patton's politics ran counter to those of Franklin Roosevelt....


9. Patton did not hide his disregard for the Russians, shown even in unimportant comments, as those of April 25, of 1944, at the opening of a "Welcome Club" for American soldiers in Knutsford, England.

" General Patton was almost fired over the “Affair at Knutsford”.
Knutsford, England was a small town close Patton's headquarters. Patton has been asked to be a guest at the inauguration of a “Welcome Club” for American serviceman. After asking that no photographs be taken, and checking that there were no reporters, Patton made a few off-the-cuff remarks. This included a remark that America and Britain would rule the world. This was considered a slight to Russia, since Patton had failed to include Russia as a world ruler. It was this ‘slight’ that almost ruined Patton’s career. It was released to the world press. Patton was again in the news. All three governments were displeased with Patton. Patton's promotion to the permanent rank of general was placed on hold and Eisenhower sent Patton a blistering letter:

“I am thoroughly weary of your failure to control your tongue and have begun to doubt your all-round judgment, so essential in high military position.”

Patton wrote in his diary,“... this last incident was so trivial in its nature, but so terrible in its effects, but it is not the result of an accident...”
D-Day Three Unique Perspectives Where was General Patton on D-day

The comments did not escape the notice of Joseph Stalin.
He was enfuriated....and FDR couldn't have that!



10. Patton saw the inevitability of a conflict with the Russians.

"It is a conflict that Patton believes will be fought soon. The Russians are moving to forcibly spread communism throughout the world, and Patton knows it. "They are a scurvy race and simply savages," he writes of the Russians in his journal. "We could beat the hell out of them."
"Patton," By Martin Blumenson, Kevin M. Hymel, p. 84


Can you imagine the chagrin in the Soviet-occupied Roosevelt administration???

Had Patton been a subject of Stalin's...one can guess what would have become of him.
But Roosevelt's version of the Kremlin has it's hands tied, both because Patton was non replaceable on the battlefield, but because America was not Russia.

This explanation applies:
" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, ...."
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."


If you ask nicely, I may construct an OP on what could have happened otherwise.

 

[irosie91]

"Soviet occupied Roosevelt administration"? -----oh yeah---
that was when "socialist" was in the mini minds of some
considered synonymous with SIBERIA. When I was a kid---in my Nazi hometown-----socialist was just as dirty a word
as was UNION and the dreaded "COMMUNIST"----always
associated with "Russia" aka USSR. "democrat" was even worse"

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Soviet occupied Roosevelt administration"? -----oh yeah---
that was when "socialist" was in the mini minds of some
considered synonymous with SIBERIA. When I was a kid---in my Nazi hometown-----socialist was just as dirty a word
as was UNION and the dreaded "COMMUNIST"----always
associated with "Russia" aka USSR. "democrat" was even worse"

"Soviet occupied Roosevelt administration"?"

Ya' mean you didn't know???


Don't you have a library card?
Get one, and pick up some books on the Venona cables, or any by Haynes and Klehr, or Diana West's "American Betrayal," or "Witness," by Whittaker Chambers, or "Blacklisted by History," by Evans, or "Treason," by Coulter, or
"The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB," by Andrews and Mitrokhin.....and when you finish those....I'll name a bunch more.

 

[Antares]

Monty was an ego manical moron.
Remagen proved that.

 

[Antares]

My, my, another paste job from PoliticalShit.

When you are dead and gone, Franklin Delano Roosevelt will be remembered by the nation with Lincoln, Washington, and Jefferson. And those few who do remember you will simply remember a silly bitter old broad.

He may well be, but that does not however belie the Fact that MANY of the New Dealers indeed were infatuated with Central Planning and greatly admired the USSR way of doing things.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

Ike was a military genius understanding everything it takes to win a war. Strategy, Logistics and Politics

A damn good President too

Eisenhower took his orders from, and could only reflect the view of the Russophile, Franklin Roosevelt, his boss.
Patton was not one to hide what he knew to be right...no matter who it irritated.


11. "[Patton] is still fuming over an order from Dwight Eisenhower in the waning days of the war that prevented the Third Army from advancing into Czechoslovakia to assist the people of Prague. Instead of allowing Americans to come to their aid, by halting Patton's tanks Eisenhower made it possible for the Russian army to enter Prague.
As in Berlin, the Russians did not come in peace, and were soon suppressing the locals in the same horrific manner.

Even weeks later, Patton still seethes about the absurdity of Eisenhower's order. He believes Ike to be a fool. Patton has been wary of Russian duplicity as far back as November 1943, when he noted in his diary that "It will be just as bad for us to have Russia win the war as it will be for Germany to do so. To be a success and maintain world peace, the U.S. and the U.S. alone should destroy Germany and Japan and be ready to stop Russia."



The Red Army is relentless in its quest to control as much of Europe as possible, with Stalin taking full advantage of Dwight Eisenhower's timidity. The Russians are seizing more land, and more people are coming under their occupation.

Patton is incensed. "You cannot lay down with a diseased jackal," he recently insisted to a group of journalists. "Neither can we ever do business with the Russians."

When Undersecretary of War Robert Patterson visited the Third Army, Patton openly lobbied for at least 30 percent of all American troops to remain in Europe, "Keeping our forces intact. Let's keep our boots polished, bayonets sharpened, and present a picture of force and strength to these people.

This is the only language they understand and respect. If you fail to do this, then I would like to say to you that we have had a victory over the Germans but have lost the war."



Even Patton's nemesis, British field marshal Montgomery, agrees: when accepting the surrender of German soldiers, he ordered his troops to stack the Wehrmacht rifles in such a way that they could easily be redistributed should the Germans and British need to defend themselves against a Russian advance.


Yet the Harvard-educated undersecretary Patterson thinks Patton is delusional. He advises Eisenhower, army chief of staff Gen. George C. Marshall, and President Harry Truman to continue to view the Russians benevolently.

In time, of course, Patton's predictions will come true, and the world will have to live with the consequences of American gullibility
"Killing Patton," O'Reilly and Dugard, p. 259-260



Of course, Marshall, Hopkins, et al openly wanted the Soviets to control Europe....and said so.

 

[westwall]

Worst American General of WWII

Certainly in the running. But this is the only general ever who's men demanded a Congressional inquiry for his incompetence.

 

[westwall]

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

You massively underestimate Eisenhower. His adept handling of the enormous egos of Patton and Montgomery during WW2, his feeding of enough rope to Tailgunner Joe, and the Interstate Highway System are all testimony to a quiet and solid intellect.

Eisenhower never held a battlefield command, but he knew how to handle the men who did.

The true American military genius of WWII was Gen George Marshall

Pleeeeezzzze!

Careful...you may inspire me to expose George Marshall.....and you won't like it.

"One example of George Marshall's understanding of military science: He was testifying before a Senate committee in the summer of 1940, after the German break-through in France.
A senator asked him whether the army knew how to stop tanks. Marshall said he believed the jeep was the answer to the tank. To the flabbergasted senators, he explained: "As I conceive it, hundreds of jeeps will swarm over the battlefield, each of them towing a 37 millimeter anti-tank gun. That way we will put the tanks out of business."
As it turned out, the 37 millimeter anti-tank guns Marshall was talking about wouldn't stop a light tank at close range, but that was beside the point. What the German tiger and panther tanks might have done to a fleet of jeeps racing out on a battlefield would have been a spectacle."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 118-119

At the time 37mm anti tank guns were standard in both the US and German forces, the conventional wisdom of the time was rapidly evolving as mobile combined arms warfare was still in it's infancy. But you probably knew all that already.

Not true. By 1940 the Germans had upgraded to the 5cm PaK 38 and were upgrading their tanks as well.

 

[irosie91]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

Ike was a military genius understanding everything it takes to win a war. Strategy, Logistics and Politics

A damn good President too

Eisenhower took his orders from, and could only reflect the view of the Russophile, Franklin Roosevelt, his boss.
Patton was not one to hide what he knew to be right...no matter who it irritated.


11. "[Patton] is still fuming over an order from Dwight Eisenhower in the waning days of the war that prevented the Third Army from advancing into Czechoslovakia to assist the people of Prague. Instead of allowing Americans to come to their aid, by halting Patton's tanks Eisenhower made it possible for the Russian army to enter Prague.
As in Berlin, the Russians did not come in peace, and were soon suppressing the locals in the same horrific manner.

Even weeks later, Patton still seethes about the absurdity of Eisenhower's order. He believes Ike to be a fool. Patton has been wary of Russian duplicity as far back as November 1943, when he noted in his diary that "It will be just as bad for us to have Russia win the war as it will be for Germany to do so. To be a success and maintain world peace, the U.S. and the U.S. alone should destroy Germany and Japan and be ready to stop Russia."



The Red Army is relentless in its quest to control as much of Europe as possible, with Stalin taking full advantage of Dwight Eisenhower's timidity. The Russians are seizing more land, and more people are coming under their occupation.

Patton is incensed. "You cannot lay down with a diseased jackal," he recently insisted to a group of journalists. "Neither can we ever do business with the Russians."

When Undersecretary of War Robert Patterson visited the Third Army, Patton openly lobbied for at least 30 percent of all American troops to remain in Europe, "Keeping our forces intact. Let's keep our boots polished, bayonets sharpened, and present a picture of force and strength to these people.

This is the only language they understand and respect. If you fail to do this, then I would like to say to you that we have had a victory over the Germans but have lost the war."



Even Patton's nemesis, British field marshal Montgomery, agrees: when accepting the surrender of German soldiers, he ordered his troops to stack the Wehrmacht rifles in such a way that they could easily be redistributed should the Germans and British need to defend themselves against a Russian advance.


Yet the Harvard-educated undersecretary Patterson thinks Patton is delusional. He advises Eisenhower, army chief of staff Gen. George C. Marshall, and President Harry Truman to continue to view the Russians benevolently.

In time, of course, Patton's predictions will come true, and the world will have to live with the consequences of American gullibility
"Killing Patton," O'Reilly and Dugard, p. 259-260



Of course, Marshall, Hopkins, et al openly wanted the Soviets to control Europe....and said so.

smart guy----maybe he saw them in action first hand----I thought patton was in the EAST----I mean----like the Japanese arena

 

[PoliticalChic]

Worst American General of WWII

Certainly in the running. But this is the only general ever who's men demanded a Congressional inquiry for his incompetence.

"Many refer to the West Point class of 1915 as "the class the stars fell on." Fifty-nine of its graduates achieved the rank of general. Among them were Eisenhower and Bradley, who both attained five-star rank, the highest rank in the U.S. Army.
At this point in history, only nine men had been selected for this honor, which also carries the title of general of the army.

Ulysses S. Grant, William Tecumseh Sherman, and Philip Sheridan all held this title, but in the Civil War era, when there was no rank higher than four stars. General John Pershing held the same title just after World War I. Those who wore five stars are army generals Dwight Eisenhower, Omar Bradley, Henry "Hap" Arnold, Douglas MacArthur, and George Marshall. The navy equivalent of five stars has been awarded to admirals Chester Nimitz, William Leahy, Ernest King, and William F. Halsey."
"Killing Patton:THE STRANGE DEATH OF WORLD WAR II S
MOST AUDACIOUS GENERAL," byBill O'Reilly and Martin Dugard, chapter seven

 

[PoliticalChic]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

Ike was a military genius understanding everything it takes to win a war. Strategy, Logistics and Politics

A damn good President too

Eisenhower took his orders from, and could only reflect the view of the Russophile, Franklin Roosevelt, his boss.
Patton was not one to hide what he knew to be right...no matter who it irritated.


11. "[Patton] is still fuming over an order from Dwight Eisenhower in the waning days of the war that prevented the Third Army from advancing into Czechoslovakia to assist the people of Prague. Instead of allowing Americans to come to their aid, by halting Patton's tanks Eisenhower made it possible for the Russian army to enter Prague.
As in Berlin, the Russians did not come in peace, and were soon suppressing the locals in the same horrific manner.

Even weeks later, Patton still seethes about the absurdity of Eisenhower's order. He believes Ike to be a fool. Patton has been wary of Russian duplicity as far back as November 1943, when he noted in his diary that "It will be just as bad for us to have Russia win the war as it will be for Germany to do so. To be a success and maintain world peace, the U.S. and the U.S. alone should destroy Germany and Japan and be ready to stop Russia."



The Red Army is relentless in its quest to control as much of Europe as possible, with Stalin taking full advantage of Dwight Eisenhower's timidity. The Russians are seizing more land, and more people are coming under their occupation.

Patton is incensed. "You cannot lay down with a diseased jackal," he recently insisted to a group of journalists. "Neither can we ever do business with the Russians."

When Undersecretary of War Robert Patterson visited the Third Army, Patton openly lobbied for at least 30 percent of all American troops to remain in Europe, "Keeping our forces intact. Let's keep our boots polished, bayonets sharpened, and present a picture of force and strength to these people.

This is the only language they understand and respect. If you fail to do this, then I would like to say to you that we have had a victory over the Germans but have lost the war."



Even Patton's nemesis, British field marshal Montgomery, agrees: when accepting the surrender of German soldiers, he ordered his troops to stack the Wehrmacht rifles in such a way that they could easily be redistributed should the Germans and British need to defend themselves against a Russian advance.


Yet the Harvard-educated undersecretary Patterson thinks Patton is delusional. He advises Eisenhower, army chief of staff Gen. George C. Marshall, and President Harry Truman to continue to view the Russians benevolently.

In time, of course, Patton's predictions will come true, and the world will have to live with the consequences of American gullibility
"Killing Patton," O'Reilly and Dugard, p. 259-260



Of course, Marshall, Hopkins, et al openly wanted the Soviets to control Europe....and said so.

smart guy----maybe he saw them in action first hand----I thought patton was in the EAST----I mean----like the Japanese arena

Your posts tend to be like telegrams.....
Really, you are not charged by the word.

Who is the 'smart guy'??

 

[kaz]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

In other words, he doesn't agree with you. LOL. Not agreeing with a moron makes one a moron? Yeah, no...

 

[westwall]

I think the best judge of generals is what the enemy thinks of them. Patton is the only Allied General who the Germans actually feared. They respected him so much that they gave him a German designation.
"Kampfgruppe Patton".

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Jeep helped win the war

The concept was the lethality of the guns towed to the point of battle, not the Jeeps themselves

Yes 1940 was a turning point for our military forces. We had maybe the seventh strongest military in the world. Thanks to the military excallation lead by Gen Marshall, we went from a third rate military power to a super power

I wonder what gave Gen. Marshall such crazy ideas.

37MM AT gun?

Can you name one German tank that the 37MM could pen?

I can name several, in fact in 1940 that would be most German tanks. The Panzer 1, Panzer II, Panzer III, Czech Lt-35 and Lt-38, everything in the German arsenal at the time except the frontal armor of a Panzer Mk 4.

That's actually a good answer! And had we fought the Germans in 1940, that would have been effective.

Also, Rommel had suggested that instead of concentrating on building tanks, the Germans should have build more towed 8.8 to fight the Russians who had the habit of charging head long into kill zones

By the time we actually crossed swords with them in 1943 we needed the 76 to pen the Mark IV's and the 90mm to have a chance at a Tiger (in service since 1942). I always thought it was negligent that we sent the Shermans into combat knowing they were under-armored and outgunned. It was Patton and the armor commanders that made the difference

Fortunate that we didn't go to war with the Soviets as Patton suggested at the time.....the T-34 was superior to the Sherman and the IS-2 would have defeated the new Pershing tanks.

Irrelevant.

US Army Air power would have turned Soviet armor into target practice. They would have cried "unfair" all day and night, but they'd still be smoking heaps on the battlefield

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. Imagine how different this world would be today, had the nation been allowed to follow the politics of George Patton, rather than Franklin Roosevelt.
Patton's politics were based on truth, and facts, and history has shown Patton to be correct.
Imagine a democratic Soviet Union, no Korean War, no Vietnam,a very different Democrat Party....


a. The cause of our lack of understanding about the sinister nature of the Soviet Union, ...genocide, oppression, slaughter....when it come to Soviet crime is the lies that Franklin Roosevelt told the public in support of Stalin.

Loy Henderson, State Department Russian expert said: "Russia does not fight for the same ideals as the United States."
Roosevelt swore to the American public the exact opposite: he declared that Stalin fought for the same ideals!
FDR was lying!



September 30, 1941, FDR claimed that there was freedom of religion in the USSR. "The claim that Stalin's Russia allowed religious freedom was the first step in a massive pro-Soviet campaign that the White House coordinated for the duration of the war."
"Caught between Roosevelt and Stalin: America's Ambassadors to Moscow," by Dennis J. Dunn, p. 137



Yet, hordes of self-proclaimed intellectuals practice what of what Aquinas called 'ignorantia affectata - a cultivated ignorance'.
For them...and there are several prime examples of this in this very thread, nothing could be worse than revealing the truth about FDR!

13. Until Hitler attacked Russia....the two were allies. There is no difference between Hitler and Stalin, except that Stalin was worse.

"According to Suvorov, Stalin planned to use Nazi Germany as a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Adolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation."
Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

a. . "The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps,as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis."
Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer.



14. World War II left over 27 million Soviet citizens dead....but only a fraction of them were killed by the Germans. Yet throughout the West. 'war crimes' is a phrase only attacked to the Nazis. When the Red Army marched, an NKVD army marched behind, with its own tanks, machine guns, firing forward....never allowing retreat.

More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army.
"The Secret Betrayal"by Nikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.


The Soviet Union killed more than twenty million men, women and children.
Yet, Roosevelt told the American people that Uncle Joe was a good ol' boy.

See the problem that Patton posed?

 

[regent]

Yep, there was a lot of killing during WWII, but at the time most Americans seemed mostly concerned about the number of Americans being killed. Call us selfish if you will.

Patton posed no problem, Ike kept him pretty much under lock and key.

 

[PoliticalChic]

15. And, for speaking the truth......


"At the time of his death, Patton had been relegated to a desk job, overseeing the collection of Army records in Bavaria. That he had been an outspoken critic of Stalin and a vocal proponent of liberating Berlin and the German people from certain communist aggression triggered his sudden removal from the battlefield. In the aftermath of war, the Western powers sought to sideline the mercurial Patton and his incendiary views.


But Patton despised the politically driven circus and the media minions that carried out their dirty work. Still, he continued to speak out against the Russians as an American witness to their brutality during and after the war. As Stalin devoured Eastern Europe, Patton remarked,“I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them… …the Russian has no regard for human life and they are all out sons-of-bitches, barbarians, and chronic drunks.”



In early May 1945, as the Allies shut down the Nazi war machine, Patton stood with his massive 3rd Army on the outskirts of Prague in a potential face off with the Red Army. He pleaded for General Eisenhower’s green light to advance and capture the city for the Allies, which also would have meant containment of the Russians.

British Prime Minister Churchill also thought the move a crucial and beneficial one for post-war Europe and insisted upon it, but to no avail.


Eisenhower denied Patton’s request, and the Russians took the region, which would pay dearly for years to come. Earlier that year, at the February conference in Yalta, President Roosevelt, with Churchill at his side, extended the hand of friendship to “Uncle Joe” Stalin and signed his Faustian pact. In so doing, the destiny of millions was reduced to mass starvation, blood revenge, and distant gulags.


At the time, Patton understood the tragedy of this event and wrote, “We promised the Europeans freedom. It would be worse than dishonorable not to see that they have it. This might mean war with the Russians, but what of it?”


As with Prague, Patton’s request to secure Berlin was denied. Sadly, after Patton finally reached the ravaged city, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945,” for the first week after they took it (Berlin), all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped. I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed.”




In the end, yes Patton was a genius commander such as are many today within the purged ranks of military leadership but never forget, Roosevelt was ultimately the string puller and hence, Russia got its way and the libtards destroyed the face of the planet for the next 50 years until the dissolution of the Soviet machine."
The Foresight of Patton FrontPage Magazine



a. "Hell, why do we care what those goddamn Russians think? We are going to have to fight them sooner or later, within the next generation. Why not do it now while our Army is intact and the damn Russians can have their hind end kicked back to Russia in three months? We can do it easily with the help of the German troops we have, if we just arm them and take them with us. They hate the bastards.[92]

These actions were all Eisenhower could handle; he could not cover this one up and had no choice but to relieve Patton of his command. Patton was personally hurt by the loss."
Military History Online


Patton was correct.
Roosevelt not.


As the old saying goes, the only place to find 'justice' is the dictionary, or the cemetery.

 

[Discombobulated]

You massively underestimate Eisenhower. His adept handling of the enormous egos of Patton and Montgomery during WW2, his feeding of enough rope to Tailgunner Joe, and the Interstate Highway System are all testimony to a quiet and solid intellect.

Eisenhower never held a battlefield command, but he knew how to handle the men who did.

The true American military genius of WWII was Gen George Marshall

Pleeeeezzzze!

Careful...you may inspire me to expose George Marshall.....and you won't like it.

"One example of George Marshall's understanding of military science: He was testifying before a Senate committee in the summer of 1940, after the German break-through in France.
A senator asked him whether the army knew how to stop tanks. Marshall said he believed the jeep was the answer to the tank. To the flabbergasted senators, he explained: "As I conceive it, hundreds of jeeps will swarm over the battlefield, each of them towing a 37 millimeter anti-tank gun. That way we will put the tanks out of business."
As it turned out, the 37 millimeter anti-tank guns Marshall was talking about wouldn't stop a light tank at close range, but that was beside the point. What the German tiger and panther tanks might have done to a fleet of jeeps racing out on a battlefield would have been a spectacle."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 118-119

At the time 37mm anti tank guns were standard in both the US and German forces, the conventional wisdom of the time was rapidly evolving as mobile combined arms warfare was still in it's infancy. But you probably knew all that already.

Not true. By 1940 the Germans had upgraded to the 5cm PaK 38 and were upgrading their tanks as well.

Incorrect, the 5cm was barely entering service, most infantry units were still equipped with the 3.7cm at the time France fell.

 

[Mr. H.]

Pardon for the trollish intrusion but perhaps this thread could accommodate some jocular brevity?